Las Vegas Goalie Options and the Free Agent Goalie Market

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Do Panthers fans expect Reimer or Luongo to be exposed?

Pretty sure that Florida leaves Luongo, Unprotected knowing full well that Las Vegas would never take him in a million years.

 

[Habsawce]

If I were Vegas, I would just take Fleury off the Penguins when they don't protect him.

 

[splot]

If I were Vegas, I would just take Fleury off the Penguins when they don't protect him.

They have to protect him unless he waives his NMC for them.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

They have to protect him unless he waives his NMC for them.

It says modified NTC/NMC I don't believe that Fleury has a full NMC so i'm pretty sure that he can be left unprotected but could be wrong.

 

[splot]

It says modified NTC/NMC I don't believe that Fleury has a full NMC so i'm pretty sure that he can be left unprotected but could be wrong.

He gets to name the teams he doesn't want to go to. Can't remember the exact amount, but unless Fleury wants to play in Vegas he will have to be protected.

 

[Habsawce]

He gets to name the teams he doesn't want to go to. Can't remember the exact amount, but unless Fleury wants to play in Vegas he will have to be protected.

I thought modified's were exempt from the expansion draft. It seems like something the NHL would do, they don't want to handcuff Vegas, and the PA is getting another team with more revenue for their players.

Plus, even if this were true, I can't imagine Fleury blocking Vegas.

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-expansion-draft-rules/c-281010592

* All players who have currently effective and continuing "No Movement" clauses at the time of the Expansion Draft (and who to decline to waive such clauses) must be protected (and will be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).

Says here only no movement. I'm fairly confident I did read tweets and stuff about how players with trade clauses dont' count since it's a draft and not a trade. You can't have a limited NMC, I don't think either. No such thing.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

He gets to name the teams he doesn't want to go to. Can't remember the exact amount, but unless Fleury wants to play in Vegas he will have to be protected.

Okay thanks, I've seen on his modified NTC/NMC that he listed 18 teams that he would accept a trade to. Didn't realize that he had a say in playing in Las Vegas or not just the other teams out there.

 

[LastWordArmy]

They have to protect him unless he waives his NMC for them.

Not necessarily, as the article says... and as Pierre Lebrun has previously reported the NHL and NHLPA have not agreed on how to handle players like Fleury who have a NMC for the purposes of being waived and sent to the AHL, but have a modified NTC where they can be traded to certain teams.

Whether he must be protected or not is still up for debate, though the league hopes to finalize this soon.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

At this point I think it's more likely the Avs protect Pickard over Varlamov. He's our goalie of the future and to be quite honest has played better then Varly for a while now.


Varly could make for a solid #1G for LV though.

If Varly is left unprotected, especially with Colorado's very weak unprotected skaters list (under the assumption Beauchemin waives), there is no doubt in my mind Vegas takes him.

With that said, I can't see a scenario where Colorado doesn't just trade Varlamov if they are protecting Pickard. Vice versa with Pickard. They drop off between Varlamov and the 8th forward/4th defender who'll be unprotected (again assuming Beauch waives) is massive. Even if they just get a Brian Elliott level return for Varlamov, which would be dramatically low compared to what kind of goalie he (sometimes) is, that would still be a net positive even when considering who they will likely have to still lose to Vegas which would just be a depth forward.

 

[Jonas1235]

Howard, Miller and Raanta

 

[Chez Weber]

As it stands today, Minnesota would need to expose Dubnyk. Because while you get to protect one goalie, you also HAVE to expose one that meets certain requirements, and currently they don't have another goalie under contract for next year that would meet those requirements.

I would assume come Jan 1st, either Stalock or Kuemper will be resigned to meet those requirements and be exposed to Vegas, taking Dubnyk off the list.

As of right now Montreal would need to expose Price for the same reasons.

 

[cupcrazyman]

how many goalies can Vegas pick?

 

[Nucker101]

Goaltending will be the least of their worries, plenty of teams will be trying to dump goalies on them. Or as mentioned, they can sign a stopgap like Miller.

 

[AIexisLafreniereNYR]

Vegas please don't take our Raanta

 

[uncleben]

how many goalies can Vegas pick?

I think they have to take 3. not sure if they are capped at three

 

[JMcLeaf]

Varlamov-Korpisalo

 

[splot]

Not necessarily, as the article says... and as Pierre Lebrun has previously reported the NHL and NHLPA have not agreed on how to handle players like Fleury who have a NMC for the purposes of being waived and sent to the AHL, but have a modified NTC where they can be traded to certain teams.

Whether he must be protected or not is still up for debate, though the league hopes to finalize this soon.

Yup. I just have a hard time seeing NHLPA agreeing to that modified NTCs won't allow players to have a say if they want to be picked up by Vegas or not. If Fleury wants to go to Vegas or not I haven't got a clue about though.

 

[Djp]

I d9nt see them in the goalie market.

They likely draft 3 goalies...one 1 or 2 yrs from ufa, 1 younger with term, and then one who is waiver exempt.

 

[dkollidas]

I think they end up with Varlamov/Grubauer/Dansk.

That's a pretty solid NHL duo and Dansk is S good guy to have in the minors.


Just my two cents.

 

[airbus220]

how many goalies can Vegas pick?

3 to 7, but why should Vegas take more than 3.

 

[airbus220]

They likely draft 3 goalies...one 1 or 2 yrs from ufa, 1 younger with term, and then one who is waiver exempt.

Hard to find goalies with 3 pro years who are waiver exempt.
There is the 80 games played rule, right?

 

[airbus220]

Goaltending will be the least of their worries, plenty of teams will be trying to dump goalies on them. Or as mentioned, they can sign a stopgap like Miller.

Exactly, goalies are not a problem.
For the draft Vegas will likely make a list with 15F and 15D, then replace the weakest players with goalies regardless of quality. Then get their goalies in July.
When drafting goalies regardless of quality, Vegas shouldn't also draft goalies with high cap hits. For example, if COL doesn't have a quality skater exposed and belongs to the 3 teams with the weakest players and COL protects Pickard, Vegas shouldn't take Varlamov at 5.9M and instead just draft Jeremy Smith.

 

[BlueBaron]

If Varly is left unprotected, especially with Colorado's very weak unprotected skaters list (under the assumption Beauchemin waives), there is no doubt in my mind Vegas takes him.

With that said, I can't see a scenario where Colorado doesn't just trade Varlamov if they are protecting Pickard. Vice versa with Pickard. They drop off between Varlamov and the 8th forward/4th defender who'll be unprotected (again assuming Beauch waives) is massive. Even if they just get a Brian Elliott level return for Varlamov, which would be dramatically low compared to what kind of goalie he (sometimes) is, that would still be a net positive even when considering who they will likely have to still lose to Vegas which would just be a depth forward.

No market. What team does not have one goalie to protect over him? Who would trade for a guy they will expose? The goalie market is small and those with extra's will not get normal value for them.

It is tempting to look at names like Howard and say they may pick him but ultimately who else is being exposed on what team will also play a big factor, the only guy I would say is a high percentage lock is Subban, he would be one of my "etched in stone no draft picks back to bribe me picks".

They have a lot of option in goal, I think it will be a low priority and D will be the first list they make looking for 6-10 of them. Good D will be by far the easiest thing for them to flip into other assets.

 

[Street Hawk]

No market. What team does not have one goalie to protect over him? Who would trade for a guy they will expose? The goalie market is small and those with extra's will not get normal value for them.

It is tempting to look at names like Howard and say they may pick him but ultimately who else is being exposed on what team will also play a big factor, the only guy I would say is a high percentage lock is Subban, he would be one of my "etched in stone no draft picks back to bribe me picks".

They have a lot of option in goal, I think it will be a low priority and D will be the first list they make looking for 6-10 of them. Good D will be by far the easiest thing for them to flip into other assets.

McPhee will do what's best for LV.

What I would do is do up the mock like he is doing every 2 weeks to see how things are changing.

What I would do is pick the 2 best available players from each team.

Then I see what kind of roster I have with the top player. And view where I am weak in. Whether it is at centre, D, or goalie.

Then I look at the 2nd best player list and see which player I would like to have to plug a hole. Then view the tradeoff.

 

[Lupul1990]

They will problably draft Hammond, Subban and one starting goalie (Howard / Varlamov / Halak / someone else).