Value of: Larkin

Dumais

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Pointless to talk about, DRW fans would want a Fantilli + Johnson + 1st package back. And no team is going to do that because Larkin (no disrespect) isn't "sexy" enough to get that kind of return. Plus most GMs (who have a Fantilli + KJ + an extra 1st) are not going to take the chance and look bad when it's time to sign a new deal with their owner.

Larkin wants to play with his best friend Werenski! Yeah I said it ... So!?!
 

5cotland

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That’s because Larkin is much better ?
How...? 😂

Mika outscored Larkin in nearly every season. He has performed in the playoffs on a regular basis, been the 1C on one of the best teams in the league. Better defensively as well as being the primary forward on one of the best PK units in the league.

Where is Larkin much better on a much worse team?

Because they're garbage compared to Larkin.
Lol, ok then.
 

FriendlyGhost92

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Kreider right now? So 25 games? Did the last 4 or 5 seasons just not happen? I don't expect Kreider to bring like a few top 10 firsts or anything but a decent haul for what he brings.

As for Zibanejad, the only thing Larkin really has over him is age. Mika has been a monster the last 5 or so seasons on a top playoff team.

Yeah I can't imagine why I would take now into account for a guy who is 33 years old...

Larkin and Mika's PPG have been the exact same over the last four seasons... Except Larkin is 3 years younger.
 

HisNoodliness

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If Wings give up and start tanking, Larkin should demand a trade. What is a reasonable return for the Wings captain?
He's not getting traded. Even if he did demand a trade, which he won't, but even if he did, I am nearly certain that Yzerman would just say no.

Offer me a younger, better center. Then I'll say yes. Why would anyone do that? They wouldn't.

To elaborate, I'd agree to trade Larkin for:
Mackinnon, Draisaitl, McDavid, Necas, Eichel, Matthews, Reinhart, Point, Stutzle, Barkov, Hischier+, Cooley+, Bedard, Pettersson+, or Thompson+

None of those teams are even considering those trades. Do you have some package that you think is fair but doesn't involve those guys? Not even remotely interested. Don't even want to have to waste everyone's time typing out no.

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Borlag

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Funny to see Zibanejad being hailed as the savior, all the while he's outproduced by the likes of Kakko 5 on 5. The only reason he is "performing on the playoffs on a regular basis" is because his team gets there. He's performing there all right, badly.
 

HisNoodliness

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How...? 😂

Mika outscored Larkin in nearly every season. He has performed in the playoffs on a regular basis, been the 1C on one of the best teams in the league. Better defensively as well as being the primary forward on one of the best PK units in the league.

Where is Larkin much better on a much worse team?


Lol, ok then.
You might have had a solid argument a year ago. Zibs is at the age where players start to fall off and it appears that he isn't going to age gracefully. You're only looking to trade him because you guys know better than anyone that his play has taken a nosedive
 

5cotland

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You might have had a solid argument a year ago. Zibs is at the age where players start to fall off and it appears that he isn't going to age gracefully. You're only looking to trade him because you guys know better than anyone that his play has taken a nosedive
I don't want to trade him, I said in another thread I think NYR only needs to make a few trades in other areas, and try to get our top 6 fluid again.

The only positive Larkin has over Zibanejad is age. He is only 3 points ahead of Mika this season so it's not exactly the fall off of cliff that's being floated.
 

nbwingsfan

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How...? 😂

Mika outscored Larkin in nearly every season. He has performed in the playoffs on a regular basis, been the 1C on one of the best teams in the league. Better defensively as well as being the primary forward on one of the best PK units in the league.

Where is Larkin much better on a much worse team?


Lol, ok then.
Their PPG has been identical I’ve the last 3 seasons, Larkin is younger, and he’s not being fed PP points from Panarin.

There’s a reason most Rangers fans have been trying to get rid of him. Literally no one wants to trade Larkin.
 

lilidk

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Pointless to talk about, DRW fans would want a Fantilli + Johnson + 1st package back. And no team is going to do that because Larkin (no disrespect) isn't "sexy" enough to get that kind of return. Plus most GMs (who have a Fantilli + KJ + an extra 1st) are not going to take the chance and look bad when it's time to sign a new deal with their owner.

Larkin wants to play with his best friend Werenski! Yeah I said it ... So!?!
Let's them play together for Detroit. What is a price for Werensky
 

5cotland

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Their PPG has been identical I’ve the last 3 seasons, Larkin is younger, and he’s not being fed PP points from Panarin.

There’s a reason most Rangers fans have been trying to get rid of him. Literally no one wants to trade Larkin.
Of course, let's dilute his performance and numbers by put it all down to another player as the reason for him doing so well.

One has been the 1C on a top playoff contending team for years and the other has been the best player on a poor team who hasn't seen the playoffs in 9 years.

Logically, would a contender want a player with little to no playoff experience or someone who is very experienced, has averaged a PPG in the last 4 playoff runs and pushed his team on to multiple conference finals?
 

Juxtaposer

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I don't want to trade him, I said in another thread I think NYR only needs to make a few trades in other areas, and try to get our top 6 fluid again.

The only positive Larkin has over Zibanejad is age. He is only 3 points ahead of Mika this season so it's not exactly the fall off of cliff that's being floated.
Do you seriously think that Rangers' fans attitudes about Zibanejad and Kreider this season have gone unnoticed? They've been so bad you all would give them away for free according to the consensus of the Rangers' subforum. It's pretty funny to see you come in here and pretend otherwise.

Plus, aren't you the guy who insisted Kakko was going to return a 1st round pick?
 
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NyQuil

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To elaborate, I'd agree to trade Larkin for:
Mackinnon, Draisaitl, McDavid, Necas, Eichel, Matthews, Reinhart, Point, Stutzle, Barkov, Hischier+, Cooley+, Bedard, Pettersson+, or Thompson+

None of those teams are even considering those trades. Do you have some package that you think is fair but doesn't involve those guys? Not even remotely interested. Don't even want to have to waste everyone's time typing out no.

At least try to wine and dine me first.
 

FriendlyGhost92

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Of course, let's dilute his performance and numbers by put it all down to another player as the reason for him doing so well.

One has been the 1C on a top playoff contending team for years and the other has been the best player on a poor team who hasn't seen the playoffs in 9 years.

Logically, would a contender want a player with little to no playoff experience or someone who is very experienced, has averaged a PPG in the last 4 playoff runs and pushed his team on to multiple conference finals?

Somebody strays very far from addressing the point that Larkin and Ziba's PPGs are identical over the last four seasons...
 
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izlez

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Of course, let's dilute his performance and numbers by put it all down to another player as the reason for him doing so well.

One has been the 1C on a top playoff contending team for years and the other has been the best player on a poor team who hasn't seen the playoffs in 9 years.

Logically, would a contender want a player with little to no playoff experience or someone who is very experienced, has averaged a PPG in the last 4 playoff runs and pushed his team on to multiple conference finals?
Larkin + 2nd for Zibanejad?
 

5cotland

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Do you seriously think that Rangers' fans attitudes about Zibanejad and Kreider this season have gone unnoticed? They've been so bad you all would give them away for free according to the consensus of the Rangers' subforum. It's pretty funny to see you come in here and pretend otherwise.

Plus, aren't you the guy who insisted Kakko was going to return a 1st round pick?
So because the team is playing very poorly and clearly the GM is causing a lot of issues behind the scenes, that I jump on the bandwagon and demand they be traded for scraps and their NYR legacy desecrated?

The fanbase is massively struggling to go from a Presidents Trophy win & ECF to free fall in the space of 30 games, which is fine but to literally think the players got from 1st line to 4th liners in value is ridiculous.

As for Kakko, I didn't see he wasn't going for a 1st round pick, but he should have brought a late 1st or early 2nd but as I said in the trade thread, Chris Drury is giving away valuable assets for scraps, was Buchnevich worth a 2nd and a 4th liners? See my point?
 

OgeeOgelthorpe

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I don't want to trade him, I said in another thread I think NYR only needs to make a few trades in other areas, and try to get our top 6 fluid again.

The only positive Larkin has over Zibanejad is age. He is only 3 points ahead of Mika this season so it's not exactly the fall off of cliff that's being floated.

If Larkin had Fox, Kreider and Panarin on his powerplay you'd see him putting up 90+ points in a season.

Zib's 3 year average when factoring in this season is .95 ppg, 30 goals and 78 points a season. 49.7% FOW over that span.

Larkin's 3 year average including this year is .97 ppg, 35 goals 79 points a season. 55.1% FOW over that span.

The two are comparable, but Larkin is still better to me. Statistically and by the eye test.
 

nbwingsfan

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Of course, let's dilute his performance and numbers by put it all down to another player as the reason for him doing so well.

One has been the 1C on a top playoff contending team for years and the other has been the best player on a poor team who hasn't seen the playoffs in 9 years.

Logically, would a contender want a player with little to no playoff experience or someone who is very experienced, has averaged a PPG in the last 4 playoff runs and pushed his team on to multiple conference finals?
The numbers have been very clear that Panarin is greatly inflating his numbers. That’s not debatable by both stats and the eye test.

What does who the TEAM they play for have to do with anything? :laugh:

Is Crosby actually no good because they won’t make the post season again this year?
 
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Dumais

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Let's them play together for Detroit. What is a price for Werensky
Be realistic, Larkin wants out and that lowers his value. Ya'll ain't making the playoffs so a package : Chinakhov, Sillinger and Minnys 1st seems more than fair. You get a replacement for Larkin who fits your team's timeline (Seider / Raymond) a winger who is breaking out this year and a 1st.

thats 3 first for an aging player who came close to being a PPG player once....thats more than fair.

See, that's what it was like. Thanks for taking the bait mate.
 

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