Lane Hutson vs Simon Nemec

[danisonfire]

Hutson AINEC (Please trade Nemec to us he is terrible, you don't want him /pray).

 

[dirtydanglez]

i could see nemec reestablishing himself next season but they way things are going id take hutson.

 

[Xirik]

I understand what you're saying, but if Hutson was on the Devils, he would be playing in the NHL and contributing now.


meh, depends what you already have. in a vacuum, Hutson is a more impactful player right now and a bit younger.

He'd be have an extremely low play time and wouldn't even be on the 2nd powerplay but maybe he'd be on the team.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

He'd be have an extremely low play time and wouldn't even be on the 2nd powerplay but maybe he'd be on the team.

Actually I’m quite sure the Devils would play their best offensive defenseman on the powerplay

 

[jfhabs]

This isn't the case, Hutson doesn't beat out Dillon, Siegenthaler or Luke Hughes for a spot, he may have gotten a look while Luke was hurt but he likely would have been sent to the AHL once Luke was back.
He'd also not likely to be getting any PP time at all even if he somehow stuck around, he's not taking minutes from Hamilton or Hughes right now.
He's also playing huge minutes in Montreal and NJ wouldn't do that, they're keeping all 6 between 18-20 minutes per game.

He's a great player but different teams wouldn't be using exactly the same as Montreal is.

Reality hasn't hit you yet.
Hutson is far more impactful than you think.
The metrics and the eye test prove it.
Go look

Hutson playing for the Devils, I wouldn't be too sure about that. Nemec had a ten game start paired with fellow RHD Seamus Casey. Both had their moments but were clearly outplayed by the other four guys. And Pesce and Luke were a lock to play when ready. Would Hutson have stuck after ten games? What would his role of even been those first ten games?

Now if Hutson joins the Devils tomorrow, yes, we can very confidently say he would remain in the NHL! But even then, who do the Devils get rid of?

Absolutely,.sure you need a defense first guys on the team but Hutson is among the best on the league in most offensive categories.

 

[Xirik]

Actually I’m quite sure the Devils would play their best offensive defenseman on the powerplay.

He wouldn't beat out Hamilton or Luke Hughes.

team composition is a thing. Devils have better more experienced players filling the role Hutson would take and Hutson can't do what Dillon and Siegenthaler are out there for.

I can understand such a concept might be hard graps given that the hab's coach is more of a long rope for individual effort while sacrificing any team cohesion.

 

[jfhabs]

lol at a bit younger. Overall I completely disagree. Luke Hughes is far superior defensively and would likely be similar offensively given his opportunities.

He had his opportunities last season and Hutson will beat his totals. Hutson is also way underrated defensively. Extremely high IQ. Outside of his physique, he has tools and tool box. Hughes has elite tools, not sure the tool box is more than average.

 

[dgibb10]

Actually I’m quite sure the Devils would play their best offensive defenseman on the powerplay

Even if he was better on the PP than Hamilton, he doesn't fit better on NJDs PP1 for the exact same reason Hamilton plays over Luke.

The shot. Hutson's shot doesn't command respect at the point (in fact, he rarely shoots at all, with just 4 shots on the PP all year). Dougie's does. NJD doesn't have a prototypical sniper on the PP, instead having their wings be engines in Jack and Bratt. Without Dougie at the point, teams would be able to play very tight and clog up the middle.

He had his opportunities last season and Hutson will beat his totals. Hutson is also way underrated defensively. Extremely high IQ. Outside of his physique, he has tools and tool box. Hughes has elite tools, not sure the tool box is more than average.

Luke Hughes is 1st in the league in expected goals share (at least last I checked, Ekholm may have slipped ahead).

 

[TheGreenTBer]

If some posters' goal is to make the main boards sick of Lane Hutson then mission accomplished. Like, he's undeniably great and I do like the player a lot but give it a rest already. No problem with being excited about your player but there's no need to post agenda-driven polls like this to support a player that is great enough on his own. Clearly not fair to Nemec here. Also, spare me the "you don't need to read it" bullshit.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Reality hasn't hit you yet.
Hutson is far more impactful than you think.
The metrics and the eye test prove it.
Go look

I’ve watched him plenty and agree he’s special, that doesn’t change the fact that he likely doesn’t make the Devils in the beginning of the season.
Unless you have access to a Time Machine the Devils likely don’t keep him in the NHL after Hughes gets back at the start of the season.

Again, this isn’t a shot at Hutson or anything like that, it’s as simple as right or wrong the Devils would have seen 3 LHD ahead of him and would have let him tear up the AHL this season.

I understand you love this player but that doesn’t change the way teams would use him.

In NJ he would only be getting 5v5 minutes, they wouldn’t bump Hamilton off PP1 nor Luke Hughes off PP2. He also doesn’t kill penalties, so he’d be a limited minute player in NJ or playing huge minutes in the AHL.

 

[NikolaTesla]

Hutson struggled early in the year, and has exploded since the start of November.

There is a very real chance he doesn't get the opportunity to work through those early struggles in NJD, just like Nemec and Casey did not once Luke and Pesce came back.

Here were the 3's results up till the point Luke and Pesce got healthy.

Given NJDs roster makeup and needs, I'm not sure he sticks on the roster.

Luke and Hamilton fill PP and offensive duties, and Kovy, Siegs, Dillon and Pesce fill PK and defensive duties. I don't see a role for Hutson there
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So Hutson needed adjustments before becoming good. What a surprise. Now show the missing stats from the whole season.

 

[Crow]

He had his opportunities last season and Hutson will beat his totals. Hutson is also way underrated defensively. Extremely high IQ. Outside of his physique, he has tools and tool box. Hughes has elite tools, not sure the tool box is more than average.

I appreciate your enthusiasm and I don’t think I rate Hutson as poor defensively as some do. He seems adequate. I don’t hate his defensive game and I think he has room to grow there.

I think you are grossly underrating Hughes. He has already proven to be better than average.

 

[NikolaTesla]

Hutson had a ROUGH time of it as well pre Luke-Pesce getting healthy. This level of play would not have been enough to stick once Luke got back imo.



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His final 4 game showing would have been a pretty disasterous stretch as well
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Cherry picking stats of when montreal racked up 2-8 losses. Classic.

 

[dgibb10]

Cherry picking stats of when montreal racked up 2-8 losses. Classic.

This is the exact timeframe where he would have had to win a job in NJD, and is the exact timeframe Casey and Nemec had.

up until October 23rd.

On october 24th, Luke Hughes and Brett Pesce returned from injury.

So Hutson needed adjustments before becoming good. What a surprise. Now show the missing stats from the whole season.

Do you struggle to read?

Nobody has hidden these numbers. In fact I have been wildly positive about how well he's played since the start of november.

Unfortunately, if he was in NJD, there would have been no additional time to figure it out in the NHL.

 

[Tralfamadore]

So who's making the Hutson v L. Hughes poll then?

 

[NikolaTesla]

This is the exact timeframe where he would have had to win a job in NJD, and is the exact timeframe Casey and Nemec had.

They played on different teams. montreal struggled heavily and was letting in an insane amount of goals. these stats mean shit. Hutson's stats would be totally different if he played for the devils.

"Nemec and Casey barely played so lets compare hutson's stats in their timeframe and just ignore all the nice stretches that hutson had". Thats what i call cherry picking stats.

 

[Xirik]

So who's making the Hutson v L. Hughes poll then?

Devils fans aren't like


This...

 

[dgibb10]

They played on a different teams. montreal struggled heavily and was letting in an insane amount of goals. these stats mean shit. Hutson's stats would be totally different if he played for the devils.

This was a weak justification back then and it's even weaker now that he's shown it IS in fact possible to not get caved in while playing for MTL.

 

[goonybird]

we don't know yet

 

[NikolaTesla]

This was a weak justification back then and it's even weaker now that he's shown it IS in fact possible to not get caved in while playing for MTL.

"Nemec and Casey barely played so lets compare hutson's stats in their timeframe and just ignore all the nice stretches that hutson had". Thats what i call cherry picking stats.

 

[dgibb10]

"Nemec and Casey barely played so lets compare hutson's stats in their timeframe and just ignore all the nice stretches that hutson had". Thats what i call cherry picking stats.

Yeah, it's a small sample size, and yeah, it's not "fair" to not let a kid have time to work out all the kinks and figure out how to play at the NHL level.

Unfortunately, that was the reality in NJD this year.

There was a very short window of opportunity that the kids had to learn a new system, and beat out seasoned veterans, before Luke and Pesce came back.

Neither of the kids did enough to do that, and Hutsons level of play through that timeframe also would not have been good enough to justify keeping him in NJDs lineup once Luke Hughes and Brett Pesce came back. Sink or swim.

It wasn't "fair" to Casey or Nemec either. On a team like MTL, there would have been time to work out the kinks and get all kinds of ice time with no consequences like Hutson got.

Has he been great since then. Yes. in NJD would he have been sent down to the AHL at that point. Also yes

 

[NikolaTesla]

Yeah, it's a small sample size, and yeah, it's not "fair" to not let a kid have time to work out all the kinks and figure out how to play at the NHL level.

Unfortunately, that was the reality in NJD this year.

There was a very short window of opportunity that the kids had to learn a new system, and beat out seasoned veterans, before Luke and Pesce came back.

Neither of the kids did enough to do that, and Hutsons level of play through that timeframe also would not have been good enough to justify keeping him in NJDs lineup once Luke Hughes and Brett Pesce came back. Sink or swim.

It wasn't "fair" to Casey or Nemec either. On a team like MTL, there would have been time to work out the kinks and get all kinds of ice time with no consequences like Hutson got.

Has he been great since then. Yes. in NJD would he have been sent down to the AHL at that point. Also yes

Yes but is this thread about wether Hutson would of had the opportunity to play for new jersey or not? No it isn't.

You're the one who derailed the thread into that question because you knew damn well that Hutson's stats weren't good during that stretch (who the hell would after allowing 40ish goals in 5 games)? So you somehow attempted to derail the thread into that very small portion of the season where you knew hutson's stats would be as bad as nemec and casey. Thats being comically dishonest.

And about "hasn't had the time to work out the kinks". You are aware that Nemec played almost a full season last year?

Wake up, different players in different teams have different opportunities. Tough life.

We can turn the question around if you want. Had nemec and casey have all the ice time that Hutson had in mtl, would they've been as good? I sincerely doubt it.

 

[jfhabs]

I appreciate your enthusiasm and I don’t think I rate Hutson as poor defensively as some do. He seems adequate. I don’t hate his defensive game and I think he has room to grow there.

I think you are grossly underrating Hughes. He has already proven to be better than average.

His tools are elite, his tool box is average (IQ/decision making) is what I said. He's obviously a lot better than average overall.

 

[jfhabs]

I’ve watched him plenty and agree he’s special, that doesn’t change the fact that he likely doesn’t make the Devils in the beginning of the season.
Unless you have access to a Time Machine the Devils likely don’t keep him in the NHL after Hughes gets back at the start of the season.

Again, this isn’t a shot at Hutson or anything like that, it’s as simple as right or wrong the Devils would have seen 3 LHD ahead of him and would have let him tear up the AHL this season.

I understand you love this player but that doesn’t change the way teams would use him.

In NJ he would only be getting 5v5 minutes, they wouldn’t bump Hamilton off PP1 nor Luke Hughes off PP2. He also doesn’t kill penalties, so he’d be a limited minute player in NJ or playing huge minutes in the AHL.

Honestly I'm not a Hutson fan boy at all. Yes I like what he brings to the team, but he's not 'my type' of player in general. I'm just observing what he is.

If they didn't put him on the Devils opening night, that would be a great mistake from day 1, but specially knowing what we know now... Hutson didn't simply belong in the NHL, he's been dominating since training camp.

Why wouldn't he bump Hamilton or Hughes of the PP? He bump Matheson in Montreal, who was just coming of a 9th best in the nhl (among defenseman), 62 pts season.

 

[dgibb10]

Yes but is this thread about wether Hutson would of had the opportunity to play for new jersey or not? No it isn't.

You're the one who derailed the thread into that question because you knew damn well that Hutson's stats weren't good during that stretch (who the hell would after allowing 40ish goals in 5 games)? So you somehow attempted to derail the thread into that very small portion of the season where you knew hutson's stats wouldn't be as bad as nemec and casey. Thats being comically dishonest.

Except the claim was made here.

Also, it is 100% relevant to the discussion at hand.

Public perception on Nemec is currently low because he's currently in the AHL (after a stellar rookie year).

In NJD, Hutson would have been in the same situation.

The irony of you claiming it would be unfair to judge Hutson off of the exact tiny sample virtually everyone in here is using to judge Nemec off is kinda hilarious ngl.