Not likely. NHL has no use for San Jose. They regularly screw them over. Michkov has a better chance.
Player Discussion Lane Hutson: Part 3 - Calder Edition
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Yes. I thought of him, but he has decision making issues and I’m not sure his skating is quite good enough at the nhl level to take the puck in deep. He’s got a lot of work to put in.
LaP
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Mailoux could be that guy. He has 2 goals in 8 NHL games and 26 goals in 125 AHL games. I mean he has flaws but i doubt he will be worse defensively thasn Matheson. He's also a natural RHD. In 2 years our defense could be.
Hutson - Reinbacher
Guhle - Mailloux
Xhekaj / Struble / Engstrom - Carrier
LaP
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We'll need to use him to know. So far he has done very well. 2 goals and 5 points in 8 NHL games.
WeThreeKings
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It's where Mailloux becomes important.
Reinbacher and Xhekaj have the shots to score. Xhekaj's problem is he isn't manipulating anyone on the line so he doesn't have shooting lanes.
we are just going to ignore this?
ChesterNimitz
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Let’s see if Mailloux can even make the NHL as a regular defenceman let alone as a scoring defenceman.
Sasha Orlov
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Sucks that he’s gonna miss out on the Calder because of playing with superstars like Armia, Pezzetta and Savard
For the first time, lane Hutson is the betting favourite to win the Calder.
Grate n Colorful Oz
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Because he's getting very near to many milestones and all-time top 5's.
I've kept saying this for months. As long as kept his pace, he was bound to hit those milestones, and here we are. Voilà.
Pompeius Magnus
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I mean, if he ends up with more points than the other guys as a 5ft10 Dman, you pretty much HAVE to give it to him.
Mrb1p
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Never in a million years would I have predicted how good he would become. He wasn't even this good last year in the NCAA.
Thats an elite player, not one that needs 500 games and a pacifier to become a 2nd liner. Feels so good to have him.
Thats an elite player, not one that needs 500 games and a pacifier to become a 2nd liner. Feels so good to have him.
Ezpz
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Don't you know Teemu Selanne is the GOAT? 23 more points than the second best rookie of all time. I bet he hit 200 a few times after that.Yup, because only players that have historically great rookie seasons become elite
But can't beat Joe Malone. 44 goals in 20 games as a rookie.
Or famously Ryan Poehling with the highest points per game season in league history. Three goals per game.
Mrb1p
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Well, it sure helps. But mostly players that look good early become good, yes. Projects are projects and theyre often failures. Guys like Nick, Cole, Lane and Kaiden came in and you could tell they'd be great players right off the bat. Only one of those had an historic season. Whos the last Habs player that came in and struggled but became elite ? Pacioretty? Who else ?Yup, because only players that have historically great rookie seasons become elite
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Why even mention this? Everybody and their aunt knew it was an irrelevant stat and nobody expected anything out of the ordinary from Ryan Poehling the following season.
Hutson’s doing great things out there and it’s worth celebrating. He hit his little slump and got out from it super quick. He is a very very talented player and we’re lucky to have him.
Mrb1p
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Wayne Gretzky never got the chance to be a NHL rookie, otherwise he would still hold the record to this day with 137 points in his first NHL season, Teemu Selanne is the best finnish player of all time, Joe Malone played more than 100 years ago and he may as well have been considered the best/second best player of his time, the five greatest player of all-time all have top 7 seasons of all-time except Gordie Howe and Bobby Orr (Defenseman).
Im not sure which side you were taking but yeah, you're kinda proving a point by mentionning two GOATs and their epic career starts, and I guess well ignore Poehlings rookie season of 2 points in 27 games to make a great point.
The point is, skys the limit for little Lane.
He's an elite talent. I have very little doubt in my mind that he'll be a top 5 defenseman in the league for many years to come.
Demidov will be a great start, but Hughes needs to give Hutson players who can put the puck in the net.
He's having a historic season as a rookie defenseman relying on the likes of Armia, Anderson, Newhook etc to score. Just think how many points have been left on the board this season.
Plus he will get older, stronger, more mature. I don't even know what his ceiling is.
Demidov will be a great start, but Hughes needs to give Hutson players who can put the puck in the net.
He's having a historic season as a rookie defenseman relying on the likes of Armia, Anderson, Newhook etc to score. Just think how many points have been left on the board this season.
Plus he will get older, stronger, more mature. I don't even know what his ceiling is.
Grate n Colorful Oz
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Ezpz
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Yeah except this board nearly voted him above Nick Suzuki as a prospect and many suggested dangling Nick.
My point is some of the GOATs are not in the top 10-15 rookie seasons. Crosby Ovechkin were seen as Gods for being the first to hit 100 in a long time, but if we look at the reality of the situation scoring was up massively for a single year post-lockout.
Likewise Selanne's rookie season was another anomaly season and Joe freaking Junneau hit 102. He was barely a 50 point player the rest of his career though I'm sure someone would argue injuries.
1981-82 was another anomaly high scoring season where Hawerchuk, Broten and Pederson all had top 10 all time rookie campaigns with Marian Stastney looking just outside. This was the year they re-aligned teams to be in geographically closer divisions, it's likely the reduced travel and shittifying a few divisions made such a boost possible.
Anyway Barzal had a comparable rookie season to Malkin but is a fringe first liner.
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I think you'll find that many of the best players in the league don't feature heavily in this top 50. Top 15 rookie active seasons includes Yannie Gourde and Jeff Skinner. Bunting, Zegras, etc.
I am not saying that a good rookie season is a bad thing. Just saying I wouldn't dump on Slaf for not jumping out of the gate. Kucherov is second in points per game in the last 5-6 years and is 299th on this list with 19 points in his rookie season. Emil Heinemen is one point from beating him; I wouldn't expect a 140+ point season out of Heinemen a few years from now.
Tyler Myers also had a GOAT-level rookie season as a dman and never got better. Phaneuf as well. Obviously Lane is not a physical specimen like them so I don't expect him to not get better.
I think it's for more likely for a good rookie season to indicate future elite status for forwards than dmen as well. Lane's obviously overtaken Makar/Hughes in points but both of them had less games. I think Faber had an even better season comparing roles than Lane last year, and yet he's struggling a lot more in that same role this season.
Notable dmen who didn't have good rookie seasons; Hedmna, Josi, Giordano, Burns (was still playing forward), Keith, Chara. Just going off of Norris winners cause I don't want to get into semantics of what makes a good season for a dman rookie for defensive-first dmen. For example, Weber had a "bad" rookie season but only played 28 games and lost his rookie status. But put up 40 and was immediately a #1 dman and stayed as such for his entire career from his sophomore year on. Three less games played and he's got a GOAT rookie season instead of a mid-bad one.
Notable top scoring current season forwards who didn't; Draisatl, Kucherov, Pastrnak, Hagel, Necas, Reinhart, Nick Suzuki (though we know he worked his way up from the fourth and was passing the eye test), Jason Robertson, Rantanen, Barkov. I'd also point out that guys like Panarin and Kaprizov would have been in this tier too if they came to the NHL at 20/21 instead of 24ish.
Even just double-checking the rookie list except for Ovy, Malkin, and Mario; most big guys do not hit the NHL like a bat out of hell. And I wouldn't say Malkin plays big. Gallagher also had a great rookie season and rarely beat that pace/waterbug level.
Anyways yeah I would not say rookie season is important in the long run when factoring the different ages many guys have been rookies. If Kucherov started at the same age as Panarin he be top 10 all time. Size is also a factor.
Slaf is big and started at 18. Next year is more of the worry year because that's the year (D+4) that a lot of big guys broke out. Brady Tkachuk for example. Byfield's two years older and still not any further ahead of Slaf in development. Tage Thompson broke out in his D+6. Protas is in his D+6. Tuch his D+9. Etc.
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I was not posting here at the time. Remind me, was Nick well-regarded as a prospect in any way then?
Ezpz
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Up and down. Many thought he was going to make the team out of camp his first year after the trade and he had a mid camp. People thought he was too slow a skater to make it and the hype didn't really turn on until the OHL playoffs. Even in his rookie season people were saying he's just a B prospect with Desharnais upside until the playoffs. Reoccurring theme that everyone underestimates him until the games get important. Half this board wouldn't even admit he was a #1C until this season. He's doing shit we haven't seen since Saku in that he's over a point per game with the number 3 forward not even having 50 points and the number 4-6 barely cracking 30.
People were definitely higher on Poehling for a time, definitively Caufield, Slaf, Kotkaniemi, and even now people are saying we need another Nick-level center to even make the playoffs. If we had a second Nick Suzuki we'd be contenders cause that's significantly better C depth than most cup winners have. Vegas won a cup with Stephenson as a 2C. Tampa had Yanni Gourde then Anthony Cirelli playing 2C on back-to-back cup wins. Bozak/Schenn were the 2C on St. Louis with not-as-good-as-Suzuki O'Reilly as their #1C.
Anyways people hated Nick because he wasn't drafted by us so they didn't have a preconceived notion that he was going to be a #1C like we do with every player we draft. Any time he had a cold stretch it was "I told you so" and every good stretch was "it won't last". It was already difficult enough to search for threads but the board breaking made it near impossible. He was still considered a top 3-5 prospect for us but we had a weak pool.
Prospect Info: Thread 'Who's better, ryan Poehling or Jake Evans?'
Hilariously enough we are frequently wrong.
Prospect Info: Thread 'Habs top 10 prospects list post WJC'
There's a list by Slaf's biggest fan.
Nick at 4th, Primeau 1, Ylonen 2, Poehling 3.
God did we ever overrate Josh Brook.
Never really was Nick our consensus #1 prospect despite having probably the best junior career of our prospects. People clown on Bergevin for wanting Glass but most of this board did too. I thought it was pretty obvious Nick was special once I saw him play in the NHL.
But I guess you don't become the most underrated player in the NHL if even your own fans rate you properly.
The funny thing is Poehling won WJC mvp almost entirely because nobody on any team in the tournament stood out than his own merit. Romanov outscored him as dman.
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Excellent and informative comment, thank you for taking the time. It is concerning to see Goldenhands get so many statements wrong, he's also super high on Slaf and Reinbacher... but he was downplaying our chances at Demidov so that's good hahaUp and down. Many thought he was going to make the team out of camp his first year after the trade and he had a mid camp. People thought he was too slow a skater to make it and the hype didn't really turn on until the OHL playoffs. Even in his rookie season people were saying he's just a B prospect with Desharnais upside until the playoffs. Reoccurring theme that everyone underestimates him until the games get important. Half this board wouldn't even admit he was a #1C until this season. He's doing shit we haven't seen since Saku in that he's over a point per game with the number 3 forward not even having 50 points and the number 4-6 barely cracking 30.
People were definitely higher on Poehling for a time, definitively Caufield, Slaf, Kotkaniemi, and even now people are saying we need another Nick-level center to even make the playoffs. If we had a second Nick Suzuki we'd be contenders cause that's significantly better C depth than most cup winners have. Vegas won a cup with Stephenson as a 2C. Tampa had Yanni Gourde then Anthony Cirelli playing 2C on back-to-back cup wins. Bozak/Schenn were the 2C on St. Louis with not-as-good-as-Suzuki O'Reilly as their #1C.
Anyways people hated Nick because he wasn't drafted by us so they didn't have a preconceived notion that he was going to be a #1C like we do with every player we draft. Any time he had a cold stretch it was "I told you so" and every good stretch was "it won't last". It was already difficult enough to search for threads but the board breaking made it near impossible. He was still considered a top 3-5 prospect for us but we had a weak pool.
Prospect Info: Thread 'Who's better, ryan Poehling or Jake Evans?'
Hilariously enough we are frequently wrong.
Prospect Info: Thread 'Habs top 10 prospects list post WJC'
There's a list by Slaf's biggest fan.
Nick at 4th, Primeau 1, Ylonen 2, Poehling 3.
God did we ever overrate Josh Brook.
Never really was Nick our consensus #1 prospect despite having probably the best junior career of our prospects. People clown on Bergevin for wanting Glass but most of this board did too. I thought it was pretty obvious Nick was special once I saw him play in the NHL.
But I guess you don't become the most underrated player in the NHL if even your own fans rate you properly.
The funny thing is Poehling won WJC mvp almost entirely because nobody on any team in the tournament stood out than his own merit. Romanov outscored him as dman.
Canadienna
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I hear ya. My point was not that Hutson doesn't deserve it, but more that an award (or not) won't change how good he is.
I remember Q Hughes had a ton of doubters on here for years, but eventually they all had to admit he was pretty damn good.
