Player Discussion Lane Hutson: Part 3 - Calder Edition

[Frank Drebin]

Its ruffling some fans feathers that there is a 1OA in San Jose having an excellent 1OA type rookie year and our 5'6" second rounder is still having the better rookie season.

Oh well. Hope they get over it. I feel by the end of the year Celebrini will be a distant second in Calder results. And not a knock on him at all he's probably a franchise player himself.

 

[Frank Drebin]

The main board.............lol
The cesspool of hate....90% of those clowns just simply hate the habs.
i love how the haters have all gone and hidden!!

He still wouldn't make the Devils roster

 

[Doom Bot]

He still wouldn't make the Devils roster

Not as good as seigenthaler

 

[windycity]

Too small and can't play defense. Need MOAR bigger

 

[windycity]

I love Hutson, he'd be my choice for the Calder today, but I feel like he's still likely to lose to Celebrini. Only 6 defensemen have won int he last 30 years, and if you look at the voting results in those years, it tended to be when there forward candidates either put up low point totals or were late round/older candidates.

• Seider in '22: Zegras and Bunting were the best forwards, they put up about 60 points, Zegras was a -21 though and Bunting was 26 years old.
• Makar in '20: Kubalik was the best forward, he was 24 and put up 46 pts, Q. Hughes and A. Fox finished 2nd and 4th that year
• Ekblad in '15: This one bucks the trend a bit, as Stone and Gaudreau both put up 64 points and finished 2nd and 3rd.
• Myers in '10: Duchene was 3rd and Tavares was 5th, with Duchene only putting up 55 pts and Tavares 54.
• Jackman in '03: Zetterberg and Nash were the runners up, but they both had around 40 points in their rookie campaign.
• Berard in '97: Iginla and Jim Campbell were the best forwards this year, but they had just under 50 points.

Hutson is currently trending to have a similar PPG as Quinn Hughes rookie year (though if you extrapolate his last ~20 games he probably comes in closer to Makar). Celebrini though might come in just under a point per game, and I have a feeling many of those PHWA writers from outside Montreal who never watch Hutson and rely on a dated perception that he is poor defensively will take the easy way out and just vote for the forward.

I wouldn't underestimate the NHL bias towards US teams either, especially in big markets like SJ

 

[Deebs]

I wouldn't underestimate the NHL bias towards US teams either, especially in big markets like SJ

San Jose is a big market?

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Its ruffling some fans feathers that there is a 1OA in San Jose having an excellent 1OA type rookie year and our 5'6" second rounder is still having the better rookie season.

Oh well. Hope they get over it. I feel by the end of the year Celebrini will be a distant second in Calder results. And not a knock on him at all he's probably a franchise player himself.

Celebrini is near ppg as a 2-way center. I doubt Hutson will manage to become the overwhelming favourite. The race for the Calder will stay close till the end. Michkov has a good chance as well. He slowed down hard lately, but he could easily heat up again.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Celebrini is near ppg as a 2-way center. I doubt Hutson will manage to become the overwhelming favourite. The race for the Calder will stay close till the end. Michkov has a good chance as well. He slowed down hard lately, but he could easily heat up again.

If Celebrini maintains his current pace he would finish with 61 points in 70 games. Or a 72p per 82game pace. He's currently 30th place in centers for pts/game.

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Hutson would finish with 62 points in 82 games. Currently 12th in pts/gm for defensemen.

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I think Hutson finishes closer to 65 points this year, outscoring Celebrini outright as a defenseman. In more games mind you but you don't get credit for games not played.

If Hutson was a #1oa pick and Celebrini was a surprising second rounder, the overall sentiment would be overwhelmingly towards Hutson, because he's simply having a better rookie season.

 

[badfish]

I wouldn't underestimate the NHL bias towards US teams either, especially in big markets like SJ

Yes to that point, I think there's only been 4 Canadian teams that have had a calder winner in the last 30 years as well. And two of them were 29 and 30 years ago lol.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

If Celebrini maintains his current pace he would finish with 61 points in 70 games. Or a 72p per 82game pace. He's currently 30th place in centers for pts/game.

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Hutson would finish with 62 points in 82 games. Currently 12th in pts/gm for defensemen.

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I think Hutson finishes closer to 65 points this year, outscoring Celebrini outright as a defenseman. In more games mind you but you don't get credit for games not played.

If Hutson was a #1oa pick and Celebrini was a surprising second rounder, the overall sentiment would be overwhelmingly towards Hutson, because he's simply having a better rookie season.

Hutson has many talented teammates to work with and plays on a decent/good team. Celebrini plays on a terrible team and has little talent to work with. He's their clear best player, and will finish as their top goalscorer and point producer.

Hutson would need to score significantly more than just a couple points above Celebrini to be regarded as the **overwhelming** favourite.

 

[JIMVINNY]

Hutson has many talented teammates to work with and plays on a decent/good team. Celebrini plays on a terrible team and has little talent to work with. He's their clear best player, and will finish as their top goalscorer and point producer.

Hutson would need to score significantly more than just a couple points above Celebrini to be regarded as the **overwhelming** favourite.

Being the best player on a bad team can certainly give a guy a boost when all else is equal, but a defenseman who outright wins the rookie scoring race should absolutely be the overwhelming favorite if he's outscoring the forwards.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Being the best player on a bad team can certainly give a guy a boost when all else is equal, but a defenseman who outright wins the rookie scoring race should absolutely be the overwhelming favorite if he's outscoring the forwards.

He would be (barely) outscoring a forward while having played a good amount more games and playing with much superior talent. They are not on the same level of footing, and voters consider that.

 

[Frank Drebin]

He would be (barely) outscoring a forward while having played a good amount more games and playing with much superior talent. They are not on the same level of footing, and voters consider that.

a defensemen (barely) outscoring a center is a huge deal

 

[Team_Spirit]

Good read

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

a defensemen (barely) outscoring a center is a huge deal

While playing a lot more games and with much better players. That makes the dman the favourite, not the overwhelming favourite.

 

[Rapala]

If Celebrini maintains his current pace he would finish with 61 points in 70 games. Or a 72p per 82game pace. He's currently 30th place in centers for pts/game.

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Hutson would finish with 62 points in 82 games. Currently 12th in pts/gm for defensemen.

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I think Hutson finishes closer to 65 points this year, outscoring Celebrini outright as a defenseman. In more games mind you but you don't get credit for games not played.

If Hutson was a #1oa pick and Celebrini was a surprising second rounder, the overall sentiment would be overwhelmingly towards Hutson, because he's simply having a better rookie season.

Celebrini's most pertinent stat is he's LEADING the NHL in puck battles won. So if the points are even close it's going to be hard for Hutson to have a comeback for that unless his +/- continues the remarkable recovery we've seen.

 

[montreal]

There's no harm in thinking that going into this season, if 161 lbs defensemen could thrive in the NHL over 82 games and might need some AHL time to start the season. I've been one of Hutson's biggest fans on this board, I ranked him our #1 prospect in Nov '22 and of course got heat for it but if you had of told me over the summer that Hutson would look this good in the NHL, I would have had my doubts cause there has never been a Lane Hutson type of D in the NHL before so how could anyone really know that he would kick ass and take names like it's nothing.

 

[Frank Drebin]

While playing a lot more games and with much better players. That makes the dman the favourite, not the overwhelming favourite.

Sure. I think Hutson is the favourite today and will widen the gap by the end of the year.

 

[Frankenheimer]

Which players in the last three draft classes do you rate higher than Hutson? I would guess its less than ten, maybe less than five. Fans bemoaning Slaf is not a true 1OA and that this reflects a rebuild failure need to keep this in mind. We did end up with a true elite player in the rebuild, two including Demidov, plus several potential all stars.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Which players in the last three draft classes do you rate higher than Hutson? I would guess its less than ten, maybe less than five. Fans bemoaning Slaf is not a true 1OA and that this reflects a rebuild failure need to keep this in mind. We did end up with a true elite player in the rebuild, two including Demidov, plus several potential all stars.

I think if you came out of 3 drafts where you drafted 1,5,5 and 62 you'd be happy with Demidov, Slaf, Hutson and Rein.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Its ruffling some fans feathers that there is a 1OA in San Jose having an excellent 1OA type rookie year and our 5'6" second rounder is still having the better rookie season.

Oh well. Hope they get over it.

Hope they don't.

Also, Cellebrini is a fine choice for Calder. Great year. Looking forward to seeing how this shakes out.

 

[windycity]

San Jose is a big market?

Well I mean relatively high profile, it's in California after all

 

[ahmedou]

Lane Hutson: Part 4 - Norris Edition

 

[26Mats]

utson has many talented teammates to work with and plays on a decent/good team. Celebrini plays on a terrible team and has little talent to work with. He's their clear best player, and will finish as their top goalscorer and point producer.

Hutson would need to score significantly more than just a couple points above Celebrini to be regarded as the **overwhelming** favourite.

Hutson is a dman. So if he scores the same number of points as an offensive player, that's a more impressive offensive season. Hutson may finish as one of the top dmen innthe league for points.

 

[Benstheman]

Did Pronman just said Hutson might become a top 4 D??