Lane Hutson Burgeoning Star Watch

[dgibb10]

Whatever weird statistics that suggested that Hutson wasn’t good at creating team offense at the beginning of the year also suggested that xhejac and struble were montreals best at it

Id look at that for one second and then discard it

By "weird statistic" do you mean keeping track of how much offense was generated with them on the ice?

 

[Frank Drebin]

By "weird statistic" do you mean keeping track of how much offense was generated with them on the ice?

Sure
However it was tracked or the sample size that it was taken from was used incorrectly

 

[General Fanager]

He is 20 and has 43 games played and he is 1st in rookie pts and 6th in pts and for assists among all dmen in the league. I can't believe there is still guys in here hating on the kid.

 

[dgibb10]

Sure
However it was tracked or the sample size that it was taken from was used incorrectly

Yes it was a 10 game sample if you try and translate it as "which MTL dman is the best offensively" that's not what it tells you.

What it was telling you is that MTL was generating a lot more offense with Hutson sitting on the bench back then.

From my viewings, it was because Hutson was trying to do too much himself. It made the offense very easy to stop and very predictable, as you would just protect the shooting lanes and keep hutson to the outside (especially with him not being a shooting threat).

Now, he plays much more within an offense, much better without the puck. And it makes him much less predictable and much harder to defend. Leading to much better offensive results.

You can praise Hutson for his impressive growth and development, or we can lie to ourselves about the past and pretend he was this all along.

I'd rather give credit to the kid for his improvement

 

[Jabba11]

The hater here is Corey Pronman. That guy does not deserve a platform.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Yes it was a 10 game sample if you try and translate it as "which MTL dman is the best offensively" that's not what it tells you.

What it was telling you is that MTL was generating a lot more offense with Hutson sitting on the bench back then.

From my viewings, it was because Hutson was trying to do too much himself. It made the offense very easy to stop and very predictable, as you would just protect the shooting lanes and keep hutson to the outside (especially with him not being a shooting threat).

Now, he plays much more within an offense, much better without the puck. And it makes him much less predictable and much harder to defend. Leading to much better offensive results.

You can praise Hutson for his impressive growth and development, or we can lie to ourselves about the past and pretend he was this all along.

I'd rather give credit to the kid for his improvement

Yes
The player who broke 30 year old records in college for offensive production didn’t know how to produce offense for 10 games improved dramatically then

It wasn’t the too small sample size that was the problem

 

[Frank Drebin]

The Kool aid must be pretty strong.

its delicious would you like to try a sip?

 

[MXD]

Careful! You’re gonna get slapped with a spreadsheet

... More like 1100 words of verbiage that could've been wrapped up with "I don't know what I'm talking about" than a spreadsheet.

 

[dgibb10]

Yes
The player who broke 30 year old records in college for offensive production didn’t know how to produce offense for 10 games improved dramatically then

It wasn’t the too small sample size that was the problem

College isn't the NHL.

You seem to be misinterpreting what I mean by "improved". His skillset was there before. It didn't improve.

But he, through some pretty ugly at times trial and error, seems to have learned what he can and can't get away with at the NHL level. When it's time to try and create himself vs when it's time to just keep the cycle going. When it's time to jump into the attack vs when it isn't worth it.

And so he isn't getting caught in bad spots nearly as much. He is playing much more within the flow of an offense. And so he's been much more productive in terms of ensuring that, when he's on the ice, his team is getting the lion's share of shots, chances, and goals, rather than the other team

 

[mphmiles]

(Huge Hutson defender when 2/3 of the board was shitting on him earlier this year)

Bashing analytics when discussing a player like Hutson is a weird take to me.

The increased value and emphasis placed on them in recent years and decreased value on the "eye test" is one of the biggest drivers that have allowed players like Hutson (small, high-skill, non-physical defensemen) to thrive and be given more of an opportunity.

25 years ago, before the advent of analytics, Hutson is a late round pick or undrafted and never makes it out of the AHL, because he's 5'9, doesn't hit, and doesn't have a pretty skating stride. Analytics made teams realize that those defensemen can be incredibly effective players even though they don't fit the traditional role of the position.

 

[FerrisRox]

Guys, stop being mean to Sammy Spreadsheet!!

I don't want him to stop posting here. I think he's incapable of experiencing embarrassment, but he might get chased off if you keep badgering him.

He's my absolute favourite poster and I want him to keep burying himself in this thread.

His latest, that Huston was "brutal" in October might even be better than when he told us Jonathan Kovacevic was a better defenseman. This stuff is pure gold.

Back in October, when every telecast and all the sports channels were raving about Lane Hutson to the point that there was a backlash and mockery in this very thread, turns out all of them were singing the praises of pumping the tires of a guy who, according to Sammy Spreadsheet, was actually brutal.

This stuff is the best. I strongly urge you to enjoy some of his other work, including the thread where her praises Rasmus Sandin as "an absolute stud."

I'm not making this up. It's for real. Sammy Spreadsheet Forever!