New York Islanders: Lamoriello Contract Not Renewed; John Collins Searching for Next GM

[impaaaaaact]

There are a bunch of team in the NHL that don't have a Team President at all. If Malkin had guts he could hire Darche right now and if he still wanted a President could hire one months/years later when the right fit came available.

Because the concern is that Shanahan could fire Darche at any time. And if you saw who he's hired at GM with Toronto not sure why you'd him to be choosing a new GM for your favorite team ever.

Dude who gives a f*** about Darche lmao. Like what is this obsession with the dude? Honestly? What can you tell us that he’s done, objectively?

He’s interviewed for like 3 other GM jobs and did not get them. Maybe he’ll be good, but maybe there’s a reason he hasn’t been hired already beyond “Malkin has no balls”.

 

[periferal]

A decade of franchise ineptitude? We're Islanders fans, right?

Yup...

And Leaf fans are jealous of us over the past 5 years.

That says something.

 

[periferal]

Dude who gives a f*** about Darche lmao. Like what is this obsession with the dude? Honestly? What can you tell us that he’s done, objectively?

He’s interviewed for like 3 other GM jobs and did not get them. Maybe he’ll be good, but maybe there’s a reason he hasn’t been hired already beyond “Malkin has no balls”.

So what's your ideal plan for the Isles President/GM positions?

 

[beach]

So then what's your reason as to why the Leafs cant win? It's definitely not because they don't have the talent. And how many coaches have they been through now?

Talent is more than just skill set.

 

[impaaaaaact]

So what's your ideal plan for the Isles President/GM positions?

I wrote 3 messages to you, you didn’t answer any of the questions because you have no answers. You know nothing about Darche at all except that he may or may not have f***ed up yet. But to answer your question…

Malkin requires a president. Shanahan is clearly the most qualified amongst the available candidates to be president. He would be my choice. I’d hope he’d be able to bring the front office into the 21st century. Toronto has the largest front office in the league by a large margin, and they did not before Shanahan got there. He has experience building the weakest part of the franchise post-Lou.

For GM there is no good answer. You’re either promoting an AGM with potential or hiring a retread that you hope has learned from their last experience. This isn’t free agency. These guys aren’t out there just because they want more money. Everyone has warts. It is what it is.

I too would prefer a younger dude to the Bergevins and Kekelainens. But I’m not going to be a zealot about it. Mainly because if this person with no experience fails I won’t be surprised in the least.

I think it’s important to recognize that there’s absolutely 0 chance that Malkin has a Pridham or Darché come here without an experienced figure here. So any dreams of Malkin handing over the team to a first timer are basically a waste of time. You’re not getting your blank slate savior without someone with a background that you can poke holes in. It is what it is.

 

[The Last Red]

Go listen to Marchand press conference after game 7 and here it from the players yourself. Act like I'm just making that up?

As if the players on the opposing team are the definitive authorities on why the Leafs keep choking. Come on, man . . .

 

[boredmale]

Go listen to Marchand press conference after game 7 and here it from the players yourself. Act like I'm just making that up?

I said it 7 years ago I will say it now but when the Leafs signed Tavares they should have turned around and traded on of Nylander or Marner for help on defense or goaltending. They were to hellbent trying to win with the Core 4 instead of trying to build a team

 

[I Loveallsports]

Go listen to Marchand press conference after game 7 and here it from the players yourself. Act like I'm just making that up?

He's was blowing smoke. You up know where..

 

[doublechili]

1. Part of the reason I want Darche is because he's unproven...In the face of every other named candidate who have all proven to be lackluster at best - And terrible at worst
2. So you'd rather have a guy who was #1 in charge of a franchise that's a mess, than a guy who's considered to be next great executive by those in the know and on perhaps the best run franchise in the entire NHL?

Re: #1, I'll guess that you thought the hirings of DeBoer and Maurice were bad moves at the time.

All three assertions in #2 are arguable, if not objectively incorrect.

 

[periferal]

I wrote 3 messages to you, you didn’t answer any of the questions because you have no answers. You know nothing about Darche at all except that he may or may not have f***ed up yet. But to answer your question…

Malkin requires a president. Shanahan is clearly the most qualified amongst the available candidates to be president. He would be my choice. I’d hope he’d be able to bring the front office into the 21st century. Toronto has the largest front office in the league by a large margin, and they did not before Shanahan got there. He has experience building the weakest part of the franchise post-Lou.

For GM there is no good answer. You’re either promoting an AGM with potential or hiring a retread that you hope has learned from their last experience. This isn’t free agency. These guys aren’t out there just because they want more money. Everyone has warts. It is what it is.

Name a fan anywhere who can say anything of confidence about any assistant GM anywhere in sports. When you want a candidate who's never done it before then you're always going to be both guessing and taking a risk. Period.

So that's it? You can never hope that an unproven GM is hired for the role? Come on.

However I think it's very significant that well respected in NHL circles who do know Darche do think he's essentially the next great candidate to be a 1st time GM.

And I agree that there aren't great answers at GM. But I think what we do know about the candidates who have done it have to point you in the direction of the guy who hasn't done it.

 

[periferal]

Re: #1, I'll guess that you thought the hirings of DeBoer and Maurice were bad moves at the time.

Everything is case by case and coaches are not the same position as GMs. Ain't nobody coaching what Rantanen has been doing these playoffs. Plus...Put Roy as coach of the Stars or Panthers and want to bet he has more success?

Anyway...Jarmo, Bergevin, or Darche for GM. Who do you want? You have to pick one.

 

[doublechili]

However I think it's very significant that well respected in NHL circles who do know Darche do think he's essentially the next great candidate to be a 1st time GM.

Are we just making stuff up now?

 

[periferal]

I said it 7 years ago I will say it now but when the Leafs signed Tavares they should have turned around and traded on of Nylander or Marner for help on defense or goaltending. They were to hellbent trying to win with the Core 4 instead of trying to build a team

Amen brother!!!

I said the exact same thing at the exact same time. I just said it should've been Marner as he was always going to be more expensive and to me less valuable.

 

[LeapOnOver]

If Shanahan comes in and fills up the front office with a GM and AGM that can do the job, I'm all for it. I think that's a way better approach than LL's idea to control everything.

 

[doublechili]

Anyway...Jarmo, Bergevin, or Darche for GM. Who do you want? You have to pick one.

Darche or Jarmo, but I'd want an experienced POHO above either of them, like Shanahan. But there are at least half a dozen other younger guys I'd consider on par or above Darche. No one mentions Rich Peverley of DAL, but the job he's done there as director of player personnel has been insane, like he has the Midas touch.

 

[boredmale]

Amen brother!!!

I said the exact same thing at the exact same time. I just said it should've been Marner as he was always going to be more expensive and to me less valuable.

I would have traded Marner for a 25+ year old #1 defenseman

 

[periferal]

Darche or Jarmo, but I'd want an experienced POHO above either of them, like Shanahan. But there are at least half a dozen other younger guys I'd consider on par or above Darche. No one mentions Rich Peverley of DAL, but the job he's done there as director of player personnel has been insane, like he has the Midas touch.

Oh yeah? But how do you know the job Peverly has done has been "insane." Being serious - What can you tell us that he has specifically done in detail?

And...If he's truly been so amazing why hasn't even interviewed for any open GM positions yet?

 

[seabass45]

This is how i find out Rich Peverley is a rising star in management.

 

[TXNYI]

If Shanahan comes in and fills up the front office with a GM and AGM that can do the job, I'm all for it. I think that's a way better approach than LL's idea to control everything.

If Shanahan comes on board as POHO, we may be looking at potentially 5 Assistant GM positions being filled under whoever is hired for GM vs the 2 the Isles currently have if he models this org after Toronto.

Leafs current AGMs:
Assistant General Manager | Brandon Pridham
Assistant General Manager, Player Personnel | Derek Clancey
Assistant General Manager, Player Development | Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser
Assistant General Manager, Hockey Research & Development | Darryl Metcalf
Assistant General Manager, Minor League Ops & GM, Toronto Marlies | Ryan Hardy

Isles current AGMs:
Assistant General Manager, GM of Bridgeport Islanders | Chris Lamoriello
Assistant General Manager | Steve Pellegrini

 

[Throttle]

I said it 7 years ago I will say it now but when the Leafs signed Tavares they should have turned around and traded on of Nylander or Marner for help on defense or goaltending. They were to hellbent trying to win with the Core 4 instead of trying to build a team

And what boy genius tried to defy reality for years on that, then squirreled away to PIT?

 

[LeapOnOver]

If Shanahan comes on board as POHO, we may be looking at potentially 5 Assistant GM positions being filled under whoever is hired for GM vs the 2 the Isles currently have if he models this org after Toronto.

Leafs current AGMs:
Assistant General Manager | Brandon Pridham
Assistant General Manager, Player Personnel | Derek Clancey
Assistant General Manager, Player Development | Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser
Assistant General Manager, Hockey Research & Development | Darryl Metcalf
Assistant General Manager, Minor League Ops & GM, Toronto Marlies | Ryan Hardy

Isles current AGMs:
Assistant General Manager, GM of Bridgeport Islanders | Chris Lamoriello
Assistant General Manager | Steve Pellegrini

Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen though. TML is a big money machine. Malkin isn't likely to give the go ahead to hire all those positions, especially with how much Shanahan is going to want. Still, a large board of hockey minds is never a bad thing!

 

[Throttle]

If Shanahan comes on board as POHO, we may be looking at potentially 5 Assistant GM positions being filled under whoever is hired for GM vs the 2 the Isles currently have if he models this org after Toronto.

Leafs current AGMs:
Assistant General Manager | Brandon Pridham
Assistant General Manager, Player Personnel | Derek Clancey
Assistant General Manager, Player Development | Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser
Assistant General Manager, Hockey Research & Development | Darryl Metcalf
Assistant General Manager, Minor League Ops & GM, Toronto Marlies | Ryan Hardy

Isles current AGMs:
Assistant General Manager, GM of Bridgeport Islanders | Chris Lamoriello
Assistant General Manager | Steve Pellegrini

Great, other than everyone gets a job, what has been the actual outcome in Toronto in building out a mega front office?

All these assistants and no one said ‘hey, think this team doesn’t have the mojo in its core, let’s just keep going for it?’