New York Islanders: Lamoriello Contract Not Renewed; John Collins Searching for Next GM

[Thrasymachus]

It has legs.

 

[MarsTBOW]

Question: Why is this deliberate approach to filling these roles so "embarrassing" and a "shitshow" exactly? There are currently no other GM/POHO vacancies in the League. The only other one was LA and they hired Holland. What's the rush? I'm glad they're doing their diligence by interviewing a number of people instead of rushing the decision.

It's because of the projected indecision and radical ways (Like having 2 G.M.'s) that have been reported....
Now if you guys wanna kill the messenger (Reporters Like Staple) Fine, what if everything they have said it s true?
Then it shows that our ownership in not sure what to do...

Now if the reporters are full of $hit, then the fanbase has been misdirected....
I lean towards the Ownership not know what to do side....
That's why it looks like a shitshow...

It is possible they were waiting for the Shanaplan to fail and had him targeted all along....?
Maybe so.

 

[Strickland]

Of all the names out there, Shannahan is probably the best of the bunch. Plus, he'd almost certainly build out a front office under him (including a GM like Darche) like he did in Toronto. It's a dramatic need for the Isles, who have an embarrassingly miniscule front office thanks to Lou. They don't just need talent on the ice and in the prospect pool, they need it in the front office.

You can point out the obvious flaws to Shanny. His time in Toronto hasn't been without issues, but its hard to consider a team that's been to the playoffs for 9 straight years and can get 100-110 points every season a failure, too.

 

[HabsAddict]

You guys are sooo disappointing! I had a great joke ready to go about Roy and Bergys egos, but sadly, that may never come to pass....

Bergy had a huge learning curve and was ok in some aspects, terrible in others. Particularly bad where the lessons he learned by offering fat retirement contracts. His vision of the team was to build more towards tough then speedy. To an extent he was proven right by the 2021 Habs who went to the finals. That team looked like they were in a bar fight after EVERY game. That teams defense of Weber, Edmy, Chiarot and Petry (plus Romanov and Kulak) was physically criminal.

Bergy build that.

But he also never was able to put together enough talent in 10 years to and two "rebuild" cycles.

Bottom Line...AVOID.

 

[doublechili]

Shanahan is a political CYA operative at MLSE. Don’t trust him to let a GM do his job. Supposedly vetoed a Marner trade before his NMC kicked in.

Hard, hard pass if I’m NYI.

First, we have to believe the "supposedly". Second, we don't know what input/direction he was getting from MLSE - maybe they didn't want to trade Marner, or maybe it wasn't an even value "now player" trade like the Rantanen deal would've been? In any event, I suspect if Marner walks away "for nothing", it will be like when a player walks away from the NYR - they'll just immediately use the cap space and sign someone else who wants to play for their childhood team.

And what are the alternatives? Would you prefer Bergevin to Shanahan? I wouldn't. A political CYA operative is better than a loose cannon, no?

 

[impaaaaaact]

Of all the names out there, Shannahan is probably the best of the bunch. Plus, he'd almost certainly build out a front office under him (including a GM like Darche) like he did in Toronto. It's a dramatic need for the Isles, who have an embarrassingly miniscule front office thanks to Lou. They don't just need talent on the ice and in the prospect pool, they need it in the front office.

You can point out the obvious flaws to Shanny. His time in Toronto hasn't been without issues, but its hard to consider a team that's been to the playoffs for 9 straight years and can get 100-110 points every season a failure, too.

Even harder for an owner to see that as a flaw, especially one who wants to be as hands off as possible. If Shanahan wants the job it's his I imagine, and I don't think it'll take 3 interviews.

 

[periferal]

I can understand the hesitation on Bergevin (this is ignoring the fact that first time GM's are not nearly perfect either). But why are so many of you so insanely pumped about Darche? He's not making final decisions over there in Tampa and aside from vague reports we don't actually know how big of a role he plays.

Yes I would rather Darche ahead of Bergevin. That being said, I think anything can work if people are willing to learn from their mistakes.

And Oliver Wahlstrom would be our 40-goal scoring 1st line winger for Barzal....If he only had some hockey sense.

I'm all for people learning and changing, but honestly...That happens so incredibly rarely. Honestly...Name a GM over the past 50 years that significantly changed their style of GMing and went from a failure to a success. I can't think of one.

And us Islander fans have been so emotionally abused over the past 25 years...Why do we have to hire a guy right out of the gate who has never been good and our entire chance of winning a Cup under his watch is us praying he learned from his previous blunders? I mean maybe Garth Snow or Mike Milbury would make great GMs right now. If you're willing to give free-wheeling Marc Bergevin another chance, why not Milbury or Snow? After all I'd argue Snow did a better job than Bergevin when you take into account the budgets, colleagues, and overall resources each had to work with.

Sure...Darche might fail. What he is right now is an unknown, but...Bergevin is a "known," and his "known" is pretty terrible. I'll absolutely take my chances on what's behind door #2 if I know what's behind door #1 is a pile of shit.

 

[seabass45]

Shanahan is a political CYA operative at MLSE. Don’t trust him to let a GM do his job. Supposedly vetoed a Marner trade before his NMC kicked in.

Hard, hard pass if I’m NYI.

What was the other Marner trade? Only knew about the one for Rantanen.

 

[Strummergas]

It's because of the projected indecision and radical ways (Like having 2 G.M.'s) that have been reported....
Now if you guys wanna kill the messenger (Reporters Like Staple) Fine, what if everything they have said it s true?
Then it shows that our ownership in not sure what to do...

Now if the reporters are full of $hit, then the fanbase has been misdirected....
I lean towards the Ownership not know what to do side....
That's why it looks like a shitshow...

It is possible they were waiting for the Shanaplan to fail and had him targeted all along....?
Maybe so.

The rumor of having 2 GMs, which has only recently been reported, is the only potentially embarrassing thing about the process. Everything else seems par for the course to me.It seems more like posters here are impatient and want a name already because THEY think someone should've been hired by now. Meanwhile, the reality is that the season is still underway and more options may present themselves as teams get eliminated. Obviously they can't wait too long, but I think when the Conference finals end will be when the last of the options may become available. I can't see either of the two teams in the finals axing anyone.

 

[periferal]

I think Shanahan would be a really good hire.

Legit why?

Can you name what he's specifically has done for the Leafs that would make you believe this?

 

[periferal]

Shanahan quote from his wiki that includes Collins mention:

Great catch by you. That's right...Shanahan and Collins probably know each other quite well from their time at NHL offices.

 

[Strummergas]

Legit why?

Can you name what he's specifically has done for the Leafs that would make you believe this?

He fired Lou. Surely that should be enough for you.

 

[Chardo]

Has Shanahan built a team through the draft and under the radar transactions? Because he would no longer have the ability to snap his fingers and land significant free agents.

 

[periferal]

He fired Lou. Surely that should be enough for you.

Yes, but he first hired him so that means he doesn't even break even.

 

[seabass45]

Has Shanahan built a team through the draft and under the radar transactions? Because he would no longer have the ability to snap his fingers and land significant free agents.

That's what Darche is for.

 

[periferal]

From the article below...

"The hockey world is not exactly brimming with experienced high-end management talent, and arguably no one currently available has a stronger resume than Shanahan. Already a member of the Hockey Hall of Fame as a player, the 56-year-old spent five years in the NHL’s head office, rising to the position of the league’s senior vice president, before arriving in Toronto."

I think this is a HUGE point. There are many NHL teams that operate without a team President. The same way there aren't 32 Super Bowl caliber quaterback on the planet at any given time, there probably aren't 32 great (or even good) NHL team Presidents to hire. And I think this is the key point...

Scott Malkin lives overseas and wants his New York Islanders to have a President.

Malkin might be willing to havea an inexperienced Mathieu Darche as his GM, but Malkin isn't a hockey guy and doesn't want to have to babysit the hockey people. He doesn't even want to run the business side of the Islanders and that's why John Collins was hired.

End of day...Count on an EXPERIENCED team president being hired - And odds are it's Shanahan.


"Shanahan was hired by the Leafs in April 2014 and spearheaded an extensive overhaul of the team’s hockey operations department while restoring connections with the franchise’s alumni. He’s overseen an operation that has made nine consecutive playoff appearances, the longest active streak among NHL teams, but hasn’t advanced beyond the second round during his tenure."

Again...Lou was a one man show - A "hockey dictator" so the Isles front office is currently as barren as any in the NHL. A team President is going to need to fill that out and that is something Shanahan can do.

End of day I think Malkin sleeps better at night if an experienced executive is 100% in charge of hockey operations. It's probably why he's keeping close ties with Lou. In this way we should be happy Malkin isn't Pegula sticking his nose in things he's not good at, but...Now we have to see if he can put the most competent people in charge to get us to a Cup.

 

[8EJS9]

Absolutely not Shanahan. He can't even get out of the second round with a Marner Nylander , Tavares, Matthews.

Hard pass

You should take a look at the roster he created instead of blaming him for what the players aren't doing. Shanahan cant control the pressure that the players feel playing in the Toronto market. Brad Marchand's post game after game 7 will help you there. Toronto was choking way before Shanahan was POHO. Shanahan would be an excellent hire.

 

[HabsAddict]

BTW..in case you are wondering...why PLD signed with LA. and was an absolute disaster.

Bergy was trying to get PLD for the Habs from day one. He finally got him as an assistant GM with LA. That went a bad as it possibly get.

 

[impaaaaaact]

BTW..in case you are wondering...why PLD signed with LA. and was an absolute disaster.

Bergy was trying to get PLD for the Habs from day one. He finally got him as an assistant GM with LA. That went a bad as it possibly get.

I mean sure, but he just had a pretty good year again with Washington. Not saying Bergevin is amazing or anything but that LA year is the outlier in his career

 

[xECK29x]

All these guys have warts. You can’t let perfect be the enemy of good.

 

[JKP]

First, we have to believe the "supposedly". Second, we don't know what input/direction he was getting from MLSE - maybe they didn't want to trade Marner, or maybe it wasn't an even value "now player" trade like the Rantanen deal would've been? In any event, I suspect if Marner walks away "for nothing", it will be like when a player walks away from the NYR - they'll just immediately use the cap space and sign someone else who wants to play for their childhood team.

And what are the alternatives? Would you prefer Bergevin to Shanahan? I wouldn't. A political CYA operative is better than a loose cannon, no?

IMO, the suits let Shanny do whatever he wanted, the two telcos exerted no pressure beyond keeping the green rolling in.

The Marner thing was something I think I read that Kyper said, but I can’t find it and could wrong. And I also remember reading that one of the reasons the Dubas thing happened was because he wanted to blow up the core and Shanny said no.

Then there was his decision to pick Dubas over Hunter.

And his insistence that they were getting better so they just kept rolling it back with no accountability on the GM or coach.

You want mediocrity with a capital “M”? Pick the guy who helped blow up his internal pay scale by chasing a forward he didn’t need and then stubbornly stuck to that plan for 7 years of abject failure reporting to owners that couldn’t care less as long as the money rolled in in a market a monkey could make money in.

 

[JKP]

What was the other Marner trade? Only knew about the one for Rantanen.

I (maybe incorrectly) remember reading about Kyper saying Dubas has a deal for Marner before the NMC and Shanny nixed it. Maybe I hallucinated it…

 

[DavidVolek]

No, he made awful trades at the deadline, he is probably not going to be open to a rebuild, just feels like a bad fit

 

[SI90]

Staple seems like a guy that would get slapped in a bar for joking with the wrong person

 

[SI90]

Breaking News guys. If he’s extended tomorrow by Toronto it probably means he’s not coming here. Sucks because I thought he was gonna make history by being GM of 2 franchises at the same time.