New York Islanders: Lamoriello Contract Not Renewed; John Collins Searching for Next GM

[YearlyLottery]

I would be fine with Shanny as well.

 

[scott99]

Just because they are talking to Shanahan doesn’t mean he’s coming here. They’ve spoken to a lot of people so far, and they aren’t here (yet).

 

[TXNYI]

Shanahan quote from his wiki that includes Collins mention:

In December 2009, Shanahan accepted an offer from the NHL to become the NHL's vice president of hockey and business development. "In a broad sense, I think obviously, I am going to be another voice in the hockey ops, but at the same time people like [NHL COO] John Collins and [NHL EVP Communications] Gary [Meagher] and [NHL Deputy Commissioner] Bill [Daly] are going to allow me and teach me the business of hockey," Shanahan told NHL.com. "What I was excited about in their offer to bring me on board is that it was wide open for me. There was not going to be any room with a closed door and I would be given an opportunity to see and learn. As time goes by there will be some days where my role is more hockey specific and some days where my role is more business or marketing specific."

 

[seabass45]

Absolutely not Shanahan. He can't even get out of the second round with a Marner Nylander , Tavares, Matthews.

Hard pass

Two critical mistakes:

1. Spending 11 mil per year on a 2C
2. Going further back, spending $6.25 mil per year on a declining Patrick Marleau and then needing to trade him for cap relief (in part due to the cap allocation to the big four above) and handing Carolina a first round pick that would become Seth Jarvis

 

[impaaaaaact]

 

[impaaaaaact]

Shanahan quote from his wiki that includes Collins mention:

Yeah, I believe Collins gave him his first job with the league office. He's been Collins' target from day one.

I can't see how anyone spins this as anything other than a win given the other options available. Shanahan built the largest front office in the league in Toronto. Not that that will necessarily happen here, but he's the one to do the job of bringing us into the 21st century.

I know they're chokers in the playoffs, but the fact remains that the Leafs have been a very good team for a decade. They have always had a shot. How many of you wouldn't take Brind Amour as a coach? They haven't won shit either. But they're always very, very good and they always have a shot.

Toronto has been in a similar boat to Carolina for the past few years. I would take that any day over what we have now.

 

[boredmale]

Did he meet his wife when he was playing in Jersey?

 

[impaaaaaact]

Did he meet his wife when he was playing in Jersey?

No I think he married his teammates wife in STL lololol

 

[Islander Class]

Ops, and business I think Shanahan could be decent. Has solid connections, and seems he's still respected by people that matter. Some of that cache can't but help the franchise IMHO.

He would need to let the GM GM though...

 

[Islesfan22]

Absolutely not Shanahan. He can't even get out of the second round with a Marner Nylander , Tavares, Matthews.

Hard pass

If they had Trots I think they win a cup.

 

[doublechili]

Two critical mistakes:

1. Spending 11 mil per year on a 2C
2. Going further back, spending $6.25 mil per year on a declining Patrick Marleau and then needing to trade him for cap relief (in part due to the cap allocation to the big four above) and handing Carolina a first round pick that would become Seth Jarvis

Hey, based on past complaints around here I thought signing Marleau was Lou's mistake? We're getting a two for one on that signing!

Seriously, I get the vibe that Shanahan focuses on the business/organization end and leaves the hockey to the GM, but maybe that's incorrect?

 

[Strummergas]

No I think he married his teammates wife in STL lololol

Do we really want an adulterer helming the ship?

 

[doublechili]

Just because they are talking to Shanahan doesn’t mean he’s coming here. They’ve spoken to a lot of people so far, and they aren’t here (yet).

Relationships matter, and Shanahan and Collins worked together previously. We'll see, but a lot of pieces fit together here. I just hope it's Pridham or someone other than Bergevin as GM.

 

[Lek]

Out of all having been presented thus far.....Shanahan would be the best pick for hockey ops, top gun.....and that is what we want, a top guy there who is basically proven at the position - and then a GM.

I am betting some of the conversation will be about what Shanahan may want to do as a whole and especially in regards to a GM. The Islanders may have there sights set on GM and such. Either way, this is the experience the Islanders have been waiting for and i think it is not going to get any better than this.

 

[BMOK33]

No I think he married his teammates wife in STL lololol

You'd be surprised how often that stuff goes on. Remember either Renberg/Lindros/LeClair something like that happened in the late 90s. I recall Mark Parrish saying in general teams get pretty close off the ice so often times the first person a spouse or player is gonna seek out if things are going bad is another one of the player's wives etc

 

[seabass45]

Hey, based on past complaints around here I thought signing Marleau was Lou's mistake? We're getting a two for one on that signing!

Seriously, I get the vibe that Shanahan focuses on the business/organization end and leaves the hockey to the GM, but maybe that's incorrect?

Yeah I should have been clearer on this, my point was more around "couldn't get far with the big four". The big four ate up half their cap space, they also had Marleau around at one point, you don't have much room to build out the rest of your roster. You're spending 11 mil on a 2C. Blame goes more to the GM obviously, at the same time, you'd imagine Shanahan has some say in signing guys like Marleau and Tavares, right? Or is it all hands off?

FWIW I'm meh on all the POHO options, think getting the right GM is more important. As of now it's Darche for me.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Relationships matter, and Shanahan and Collins worked together previously. We'll see, but a lot of pieces fit together here. I just hope it's Pridham or someone other than Bergevin as GM.

Pridham is another NHL office guy before he went to Toronto - he came to the Leafs with Shanahan. He presumably has experience working with Collins as well.

I think the only thing that would hold this up at this point is $$$. Pridham is reportedly very well paid and you have to imagine Shanahan is too. But those aren't the only costs we're talking about

Is Malkin going to put the same money into our organization that Toronto is with theirs? Not a chance, and we won't be able to build the same size office as they have in Toronto. Hopefully he's able to convince Shanahan that he's willing to invest enough for him to feel like it's worthwhile to come out here.

 

[I Loveallsports]

Two critical mistakes:

1. Spending 11 mil per year on a 2C
2. Going further back, spending $6.25 mil per year on a declining Patrick Marleau and then needing to trade him for cap relief (in part due to the cap allocation to the big four above) and handing Carolina a first round pick that would become Seth Jarvis

I don't want him anywhere near this hockey team. Can't see this having any legs?

 

[seabass45]

I don't want him anywhere near this hockey team. Can't see this having any legs?

It has legs.

 

[doublechili]

You'd be surprised how often that stuff goes on. Remember either Renberg/Lindros/LeClair something like that happened in the late 90s. I recall Mark Parrish saying in general teams get pretty close off the ice so often times the first person a spouse or player is gonna seek out if things are going bad is another one of the player's wives etc

Fritz Peterson/Mike Kekich.

 

[doublechili]

Pridham is another NHL office guy before he went to Toronto - he came to the Leafs with Shanahan. He presumably has experience working with Collins as well.

I think the only thing that would hold this up at this point is $$$. Pridham is reportedly very well paid and you have to imagine Shanahan is too. But those aren't the only costs we're talking about

Is Malkin going to put the same money into our organization that Toronto is with theirs? Not a chance, and we won't be able to build the same size office as they have in Toronto. Hopefully he's able to convince Shanahan that he's willing to invest enough for him to feel like it's worthwhile to come out here.

I posted the other day suggesting Shanahan as POHO, Pridham as GM, and Patrick Burke as AGM. Burke worked with Shanahan in DOPS. Another name, but it would require a wait, would be Gregory Campbell the AGM of FLA - that would be the Shanahan and (Gregory's dad) Colin Campbell NHL offices connection.

IMO, Pridham and Campbell have better resumes than Darche, but I'm not privy to the interviews.

As for cost, Malkin hasn't shown a cheap side that I'm aware of, correct?

 

[impaaaaaact]

I posted the other day suggesting Shanahan as POHO, Pridham as GM, and Patrick Burke as AGM. Burke worked with Shanahan in DOPS. Another name, but it would require a wait, would be Gregory Campbell the AGM of FLA - that would be the Shanahan and (Gregory's dad) Colin Campbell NHL offices connection.

IMO, Pridham and Campbell have better resumes than Darche, but I'm not privy to the interviews.

As for cost, Malkin hasn't shown a cheap side that I'm aware of, correct?

To me these are best option available names, and it all seems very very possible. Anyone excited about Darche should be just as excited about Pridham or Campbell, although I'm not sure why Campbell would leave FLA (or if we have time to wait for the end of the playoffs). If Pridham goes where Shanahan goes again, (but this time there's a GM spot open), it seems pretty likely that we could nab him.

As for the cost, he hasn't shown a cheap side yet.... but there's a difference between being cheap and spending like the largest organization in the league. Maybe the new stadium and everything around it will be enough proof for Shanahan. Still, he's probably going to want to bring his guys so that would mean we're spending Toronto money immediately.

 

[I Loveallsports]

It has legs.

Yuck.

We will see.

 

[JKP]

Shanahan is a political CYA operative at MLSE. Don’t trust him to let a GM do his job. Supposedly vetoed a Marner trade before his NMC kicked in.

Hard, hard pass if I’m NYI.

 

[Islander Class]

As for cost, Malkin hasn't shown a cheap side that I'm aware of, correct?

One would think a POHO Malkin could trust- and get the NYI back off his plate would be exactly the kind of thing he would want to invest in...