New York Islanders: Lamoriello Contract Not Renewed; John Collins Searching for Next GM

[Chockey22]

Bingo. This is why more and more in all aspects of life people reject a "trusted" news source. Arthur Staple is the reason why I once subscribed to The Athletic. Journalism in general is such a distrusted form of media that we have more than half the board openly calling Staple a liar now (which he is). Chris Botta who has nothing to lose from the aspect of breaking news at this point is more trusted than Staple who is knowingly peddling false Lou stories to gain clicks.

I don’t think it’s fair at all to call Staple a liar. He might not have had the most accurate information, or maybe speculated beyond what he could actually confirm, but that is a far cry from lying. It may also have been accurate and things changed after he reported it, no way to really know. Now, more than ever, it is necessary to be able to distinguish reasoned but unconfirmed speculation from downright lying. I’ll trust Staple and Botta and Lebrun over pretty much anyone else, including everyone on this board, on the state of the Isles search because they are in fact journalists, and do it better than any other source.

 

[YearlyLottery]

I don’t think it’s fair at all to call Staple a liar. He might not have had the most accurate information, or maybe speculated beyond what he could actually confirm, but that is a far cry from lying. It may also have been accurate and things changed after he reported it, no way to really know. Now, more than ever, it is necessary to be able to distinguish reasoned but unconfirmed speculation from downright lying. I’ll trust Staple and Botta and Lebrun over pretty much anyone else, including everyone on this board, on the state of the Isles search because they are in fact journalists, and do it better than any other source.

Are they doing it better than other sources? What is the difference between Chapin coming on here and saying he has heard Jarmo was forced to keep Panarin and Staple coming out and giving false information that Lou is staying on and having a say in decisions still only to reverse course days later?

Staple gets paid for his reporting. He probably makes a pretty good wage for it. In my opinion he has treated this entire search as a generator of clicks to make up for the last 7 years Lou was in charge. He has lost all trust and respect from me.

 

[doublechili]

I’ll trust Staple and Botta and Lebrun over pretty much anyone else, including everyone on this board, on the state of the Isles search because they are in fact journalists

I'm really just curious more than anything - is Botta really a journalist? I guess that goes to the blurring of lines these days. But he started out as more of a PR guy with the Isles. Then he started that website where he wrote mostly opinion pieces - would we call that "blogging"? He ended that and took a job (was that in PR?). And not sure what his main gig is now, but he's pretty much just sending out posts these days. Maybe I'm forgetting something, but was he ever employed as a "journalist"?

 

[periferal]

Legit floored at this "Staple sucks" movement. He's pretty much the only one reporting anything on the Isles GM/President search. I guess some are saying that he is at minimum sensationalizing his reporting, and/or doesn't really know anything at all and is just making tweets/articles to generate attention (clicks). I guess I have a "filter" on when I watch any news as there isn't one single media outlet anywhere in this country that doesn't sentationlize their reporting to generate more viewership, so I just see past all that and focus on what's being said.

The funny thing to me is...What Islander fans (on these boards or anywhere) know the absolute 100% truth about what has been going on with Malkin, Ledecky, Collins, Lou, and all the other executives/NHL people involved in this search? Literally none of us for sure.

Is it not possible that a timeline could've gone something like this...?

• Collins wanted Lou fired.
• He convinced Malkin to do so.
• Malkin still really trusts/respects Lou, so he wanted to keep Lou on to advise in the GM/President search.
• That was (accurately) reported and fan outrage, along with Malkin/Collins' finding potential GM candidates weren't comfortable with Lou being as involved, led Malkin to back off Lou and Collins/the Isles leak out that Lou would be much more marginalized than initially.
• Now the search continues on like a normal NHL team would run one.

If that happened, and not one person here can say for sure it did/didn't, then Staple's reporting would be totally accurate, and thus...All this negativity spewed towards him for being inaccurate would be completely off base.

 

[doublechili]

This is "speculation", not "journalism".

I wonder whether, or to what extent, Collins' relationships when he worked for the NHL might influence the decision? For example, did his NHL employment coincide with that of Shanahan such that they know each other personally? Ditto for Patrick Burke . And what about Colin Campbell, whose son Gregory is AGM of FLA? Personal connections matter.

BTW, Patrick Burke has a really good resume - but hasn't held a high position with an NHL club (not sure if he rose about scouting before working for the NHL). Still, he seems super smart. And he's seems to be a great communicator, something which I wonder can be said of some of the other candidates (Scott White?). I mentioned it before, Shanahan as POHO and Burke as GM makes a lot of sense, especially since they're already worked together at DOPS as #1 and #2 with the NHL.

 

[benedictTavares]

 

[Strummergas]

I know of one poster that just came in his pants....

 

[YearlyLottery]

Legit floored at this "Staple sucks" movement. He's pretty much the only one reporting anything on the Isles GM/President search. I guess some are saying that he is at minimum sensationalizing his reporting, and/or doesn't really know anything at all and is just making tweets/articles to generate attention (clicks). I guess I have a "filter" on when I watch any news as there isn't one single media outlet anywhere in this country that doesn't sentationlize their reporting to generate more viewership, so I just see past all that and focus on what's being said.

The funny thing to me is...What Islander fans (on these boards or anywhere) know the absolute 100% truth about what has been going on with Malkin, Ledecky, Collins, Lou, and all the other executives/NHL people involved in this search? Literally none of us for sure.

Is it not possible that a timeline could've gone something like this...?

• Collins wanted Lou fired.
• He convinced Malkin to do so.
• Malkin still really trusts/respects Lou, so he wanted to keep Lou on to advise in the GM/President search.
• That was (accurately) reported and fan outrage, along with Malkin/Collins' finding potential GM candidates weren't comfortable with Lou being as involved, led Malkin to back off Lou and Collins/the Isles leak out that Lou would be much more marginalized than initially.
• Now the search continues on like a normal NHL team would run one.

If that happened, and not one person here can say for sure it did/didn't, then Staple's reporting would be totally accurate, and thus...All this negativity spewed towards him for being inaccurate would be completely off base.

Perif I understand much of this post but would like to touch base on a few reasons why I have issues with how Staple has reported on this. Some of which I bolded because you even said it.

- He has 100% made this reporting into a circus from giving daily updates every day with minimal changes, making the entire fanbase up in arms about Lou staying, and mostly just writing opinion pieces while purposely not drawing a line between what is 100% fact and what is not totally confirmed.

- I am not saying he is supposed to be perfect. But can we agree that him coming out and saying Lou is going to make roster decisions/stay and then having to backtrack that less than two days later is a major, major mistake?

- I also bolded one of your bullet points. Staple's credibility among the fanbase has taken a major hit over the last couple of weeks. Don't you feel like this would have "leaked" if it were true? This is a MAJOR conclusion you are drawing to fit your narrative.

I'm sure Staple is a good guy, but it does not take away from him not doing a good job reporting on the GM search.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Perif I understand much of this post but would like to touch base on a few reasons why I have issues with how Staple has reported on this. Some of which I bolded because you even said it.

- He has 100% made this reporting into a circus from giving daily updates every day with minimal changes, making the entire fanbase up in arms about Lou staying, and mostly just writing opinion pieces while purposely not drawing a line between what is 100% fact and what is not totally confirmed.

- I am not saying he is supposed to be perfect. But can we agree that him coming out and saying Lou is going to make roster decisions/stay and then having to backtrack that less than two days later is a major, major mistake?

- I also bolded one of your bullet points. Staple's credibility among the fanbase has taken a major hit over the last couple of weeks. Don't you feel like this would have "leaked" if it were true? This is a MAJOR conclusion you are drawing to fit your narrative.

I'm sure Staple is a good guy, but it does not take away from him not doing a good job reporting on the GM search.

This is just the state of coverage now. People want constant updates and constant content. Rosner puts out like 3 articles a day and posts 20 tweets. He might just be trying to adapt

 

[Throttle]

Legit floored at this "Staple sucks" movement. He's pretty much the only one reporting anything on the Isles GM/President search. I guess some are saying that he is at minimum sensationalizing his reporting, and/or doesn't really know anything at all and is just making tweets/articles to generate attention (clicks). I guess I have a "filter" on when I watch any news as there isn't one single media outlet anywhere in this country that doesn't sentationlize their reporting to generate more viewership, so I just see past all that and focus on what's being said.

The funny thing to me is...What Islander fans (on these boards or anywhere) know the absolute 100% truth about what has been going on with Malkin, Ledecky, Collins, Lou, and all the other executives/NHL people involved in this search? Literally none of us for sure.

Is it not possible that a timeline could've gone something like this...?

• Collins wanted Lou fired.
• He convinced Malkin to do so.
• Malkin still really trusts/respects Lou, so he wanted to keep Lou on to advise in the GM/President search.
• That was (accurately) reported and fan outrage, along with Malkin/Collins' finding potential GM candidates weren't comfortable with Lou being as involved, led Malkin to back off Lou and Collins/the Isles leak out that Lou would be much more marginalized than initially.
• Now the search continues on like a normal NHL team would run one.

If that happened, and not one person here can say for sure it did/didn't, then Staple's reporting would be totally accurate, and thus...All this negativity spewed towards him for being inaccurate would be completely off base.

So, if you can’t prove the negative, then it must be true. Whoa. Red alert.