New York Islanders: Lamoriello Contract Not Renewed; John Collins Searching for Next GM

[SI90]

Malkin setting the bar so low that when he hires Bergevin or Jarmo we're going to be relieved.

If one of those guys were POHO and Darche game as GM I wouldn’t be as upset.

I’m also not one that usually would like to rush these types of things, but we’re a month out from having the first overall pick and an important summer and a lot of decisions to make. I think the guy making the picks and having to make those decisions on free agency and trades should at least get in here as soon as possible to familiarize himself with the organization and be part of the interview and draft process.

 

[YearlyLottery]

Malkin setting the bar so low that when he hires Bergevin or Jarmo we're going to be relieved.

Who do you want/not want?

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

I always thought it was weird that the language was “contract not be renewed” vs “fired” or even the appropriately nice “mutual parting of ways”

 

[Kevin27nyi]

So Lebrun gets the actual info - normal interview and due diligence process. Staple and Botta fan the flames with nonsense around it.

Just a coincidence, but the second round ends next Monday, if applicable. That means 4 more teams become available. My guess is this schedule is strategically timed. The Isles have a target that’s in the playoffs. They need to wait it out.

Yeah I agree, there’s talent available and I’m not in a rush to make a decision.

This may be true...


But Lou's shouldn't be within 10 miles of Isles headquarters for the rest of eternity.

It really seems like Malkin had no intention of moving on from Lou this year, and we're seeing the byproduct of reality play out now.

I don't agree the GM search has turned into some kind of circus, it just seems like the decision to move on was truly made 3 weeks ago. No reason to rush at this point, get the right person and come up with the correct long-term plan.

I'm shocked an 83 year old man invokes so much fear. I personally do not care if he sticks around in some advisory role to our ownership. If the new GM is too weak to push aside Lou at this point, they were not going to be successful anyway.

Lou is a hall of famer, has done everything under the sun including win multiple cups. If a recommendation from him is considered it’s worth it.

 

[periferal]

Who do you want/not want?

1. NO LOU ANYWHERE NEAR THE TEAM.
2. No one who isn't currently employed by an NHL team.




3. Darche.
4. Some young/up and coming executive we haven't heard of yet.

 

[periferal]

Lou is a hall of famer, has done everything under the sun including win multiple cups. If a recommendation from him is considered it’s worth it.

There always has to be one.

Lou's simple presence in the building is hurting the franchise you claim to love hire the best possible President/GM.

That same "hall of famer" overpaid in trades, signings, and sank this franchise into a lottery team. If had a worthwhile opinion we should be taking into account. he wouldn't have needed to be fired.

 

[periferal]

Go read the comments to see what the public thinks of Holland (we got saved).

 

[doublechili]

3. Darche

I'm not saying Darche wouldn't be awesome, but what do we really have to go on with him? He became TBL AGM after the team was built, and since then they made one of the worst trades of the past several years (for Tanner Jeanott). And he's interviewed for some GM jobs but hasn't been hired.

I'm not against him, but there's not enough evidence for me to root for him.

 

[MJF]

LeB

So Lebrun gets the actual info - normal interview and due diligence process. Staple and Botta fan the flames with nonsense around it.

Just a coincidence, but the second round ends next Monday, if applicable. That means 4 more teams become available. My guess is this schedule is strategically timed. The Isles have a target that’s in the playoffs. They need to wait it out.

LeBrun’s colleague is Arthur Staple. That’s who his info is coming from.

 

[MJF]

Lou is a hall of famer, has done everything under the sun including win multiple cups. If a recommendation from him is considered it’s worth it.

Lou let his team die on the vine. He tried to resign Nelson and Palmieri at the TDL. Not to relitigate the last 3 years, but his judgement is suspect at best.

 

[MarsTBOW]

Lou let his team die on the vine. He tried to resign Nelson and Palmieri at the TDL. Not to relitigate the last 3 years, but his judgement is suspect at best.

Two Words For Lou.... "Glue" and "Factory"
If it's true that Malkin needed to be dragged to relieve Lou of his Tyranny, then he is an idiot...
Keep him around?
For what? To ruin us for longer?
Sorry, I'm not posting again until this Clown Ass Show is over. Cannot take this lunacy anymore. Can we get ownership who gets it for once?

 

[LeapOnOver]

Pretending that the 2nd wildcard team in the Eastern conference that Boston bounced in 6 games in the 2nd round was a legit Cup contender is extremely disingenuous, if not complete revisionist history. Hell, up until that point they were the only NHL team that hadn't even won a single playoff series.

Not only that, we know from interviews Jarmo wasn't expecting Cup contention by holding Panarin and Bobrovsky, but he no longer wanted to push being competitive into the future and wanted to see what the roster could do before Panarin and Bobrovsky walked. He even mentioned at the time they weren't considered Cup contenders.

“We said right from the start, we’re not going to trade Panarin for just draft picks,” Kekalainen says, adding he always believed Bobrovsky’s performance would even out. “It doesn’t make any sense for us, we’re just moving the window with our team into the future. This franchise has been doing that enough. We weren’t going to do that. We wanted to see what this team could do."

...

“We don’t think we’re taking any crazy chances,” says Kekalainen. “Because we weren’t considered a Cup contender, everybody is like, “Ooh, ahh, they’re mortgaging their future; we don’t feel that way at all. If you have 10 great prospects of the same age, they’re not going to all play for you anyway. Our future is in good shape. We can afford to sacrifice some draft picks to get some immediate help, and that’s what we did. This was not a thing that happened at the deadline. This was a thing we’ve been thinking about all year.”

If you want to say you admire him for simply going for it, despite the low chances and not being a top contender, but wanting to have as much success as possible and be competitive -- fine, that's fair. But to sit here and revise history to suggest they were Cup contenders, you're only fooling youtself. No one considered them as such, their track record in the playoffs in previous seasons didn't suggest they were. It was widely held belief that mortgaging their future was a bad decision. It didn't take a time machine, everyone knew what it was at the time.

Ultimately, they did win their first playoff series, which I guess was basically Columbus' Stanley Cup, so maybe you were right afterall?

Every single team that makes the playoffs is a cup contender. You aren't going to change my mind on that until you erase Edmonton vs. Carolina from the history books

I don't consider that opinion disingenuous.

 

[LeapOnOver]

Again...Nothing is life is 100%, but there are clues and trends that do give you an indication of how things might play out.

So for example teams that win the Cup usually are not only in the playoffs for years leading up to that Cup win, but have success in the playoffs.

When the Blue Jackets went all is they had only been in the playoffs the previous two years....And had ZERO playoff series wins in their franchises history.

So while again nothing is 100% and anything could've happened, the odds for the 2019 Blue Jackets winning the Cup was longer. Add in the fact that everyone knew they were losing Panarin and Bobrovsky...And then added two more players in Duchene and Dzingel who everyone know they were going to lose...Is about as bad of asset management as you'll ever see.

They gave away multiple top picks and prospects, not to mention the picks & prospects they missed out on by not trading Panarin/Bobrovsky all to get nowhere near a Cup. They literally just thew top assets away that all could be putting their team over the top in the years since those players left.

All that said word is that Jarmo's hand might've been forces to go "all in," but whomever decided to go that route failed the franchise and fans on a grand level.

Yes, there are clues. It's not going to change the fact that there's no certainty. As I replied to Konk, every team that makes the playoffs is a Stanley Cup contender. No point trying to talk me out of that opinion as it won't change.

 

[doublechili]

But I was told Staple had no sources - Just grudges.

Lebrun was adding the info about the 3 upcoming interviews. His reporting was in addition to ("Further to") Staples' earlier info. So the info was coming from Lebrun, hence Lebrun saying it was his understanding.

 

[Konk]

Every single team that makes the playoffs is a cup contender. You aren't going to change my mind on that until you erase Edmonton vs. Carolina from the history books

I don't consider that opinion disingenuous.

Just because there are one or two exceptions doesn't negate the rule.

You ever heard of the phrase "the exception that proves the rule"? The exception’s existence proves that there must be a rule to which the exception applies.

 

[LeapOnOver]

Just because there are one or two exceptions doesn't negate the rule.

You ever heard of the phrase "the exception that proves the rule"? The exception’s existence proves that there must be a rule to which the exception appli

LOL, we've already established there is no rule, or an exception to be had. There's no certainty. So it's opinion. Nobody would look at the Caps roster and think they were Stanley Cup contenders to start the season. Again, you have an opinion and I have an opinion. Stop acting like yours is fact.

 

[Lek]

The media (Botta, Stapleton) as well as this board, is making the process out to be more than it is not. Patience...

 

[LeapOnOver]

The media (Botta, Stapleton) as well as this board, is making the process out to be more than it is not. Patience...

I agree. The problem I have with this though is the following though:

1. They are both full of shit and have no idea
2. They have some of the information, and automatically resort to it being a clusterf*** (incompetent journalism)
3. They have most of the information and it is a clusterf***

I honestly don't think Staple is the type to do 1 and 2, but I could be wrong. If that's true, we are looking at 3, but I'm willing to accept other possibilities.

 

[Lek]

I agree. The problem I have with this though is the following though:

1. They are both full of shit and have no idea
2. They have some of the information, and automatically resort to it being a clusterf*** (incompetent journalism)
3. They have most of the information and it is a clusterf***

I honestly don't think Staple is the type to do 1 and 2, but I could be wrong. If that's true, we are looking at 3, but I'm willing to accept other possibilities.

Just drumming up business....i do not see a clusterf#ck here .... Just process at this point in time.

 

[Isles72]

I'm glad Holland is out of the picture but it seems clear to me that they're certainly not comfortable with the available candidates for POHO while liking some of them for GM .

interview the crap out of Bergevin , Jarmo , Darche and hire the two who's vision for the now + future jives with what the other guy is saying in his interview which also has to make sense to owners .

hire one as poho , the other as gm .

 

[YearlyLottery]

I agree. The problem I have with this though is the following though:

1. They are both full of shit and have no idea
2. They have some of the information, and automatically resort to it being a clusterf*** (incompetent journalism)
3. They have most of the information and it is a clusterf***

I honestly don't think Staple is the type to do 1 and 2, but I could be wrong. If that's true, we are looking at 3, but I'm willing to accept other possibilities.

I like Staple. I subscribed to The Athletic when he went there solely because of him. That being said I think his job is to get clicks as well and for someone who has had zero inside info over the last number of years he and the fanbase are jumping at the crumbs left from the interviews.

Botta likely had a source somewhere but when was the last time with him you had multiple pieces of breaking news? I like Botta as well.

We will be able to tell if this was truly a clusterf*** when the actual hirings take place.

 

[impaaaaaact]

The media (Botta, Stapleton) as well as this board, is making the process out to be more than it is not. Patience...

I think it’s worth pointing out that the kings played a whole playoff round and might complete the process of hiring a GM from outside the organization before us.

It’s also possible they’re waiting for someone to get knocked from the playoffs. Maybe that cap guru from Toronto?

 

[Strummergas]

I always thought it was weird that the language was “contract not be renewed” vs “fired” or even the appropriately nice “mutual parting of ways”

Why? It is what it is. The contract is up and the team is not interested in extending him (in that role). "Fired" would indicate he's been removed from the position while still under contract.

 

[GM4Hire]

I’m kind of leaning toward Käkelainen “the retread” with the belief that during his time he had done some good things and probably will proceed differently with the things that didn’t go well making him better.

Lou represents the opposite, he had success in his career and couldn’t adjust his thinking and how the game was changing. He still had his old ways of building a team that didn’t translate as well to today’s game.

 

[Strummergas]

I’m kind of leaning toward Käkelainen “the retread” with the belief that during his time he had done some good things and probably will proceed differently with the things that didn’t go well making him better.

You mean people can actually learn form their past mistakes? Surely you jest!