New York Islanders: Lamoriello Contract Not Renewed; John Collins Searching for Next GM

[impaaaaaact]

LL still shockingly being in the mix is just proof that Brian effin Boyle was right. This is just not an attractive job.

Horror show

It is an attractive job. We just ran into one of the franchises with a more attractive position (premier city, already a playoff team, owners will spend, paradise) needing a GM at the same time. The issue is seems to be that Malkin does not want to turn the franchise over to a rookie, regardless of their credentials.

 

[periferal]

LL still shockingly being in the mix is just proof that Brian effin Boyle was right. This is just not an attractive job.

Horror show

If that is truly the case then that should tell you Lou is even more pathetic than we thought.

 

[BMOK33]

LL still shockingly being in the mix is just proof that Brian effin Boyle was right. This is just not an attractive job.

Horror show

It was even the case with the Mets. You're just always not confident taking a job in a city where there is another team that is the main show. You just know it'll be tough to operate. Mets do not have that issue so much anymore but back in 21-22 it was still a perceived problem.

 

[BMOK33]

It is an attractive job. We just ran into one of the franchises with a more attractive position (premier city, already a playoff team, owners will spend, paradise) needing a GM at the same time. The issue is seems to be that Malkin does not want to turn the franchise over to a rookie, regardless of their credentials.

Honestly not sure LAK is really a big thing in LA. They are miles behind LAD/Lakers/Rams. Their fans are largely true diehards or bandwagoners with money.

 

[periferal]

So other teams are allowed to speak with Lou...But Malkin keeps him around.

 

[kk]

I've given up following all the rumors about who is supposedly being looked at more closely, etc. We'll know soon enough.

 

[BMOK33]

I've given up following all the rumors about who is supposedly being looked at more closely, etc. We'll know soon enough.

Feels like Holland/Bergevin are unlikely at this stage. If either was/is coming I think its gotta be by midweek next week, otherwise its clear they're out unless there is a massive bid war going on with BUF/LAK

 

[SI90]

This GM search has made zero sense since the beginning, but today I think I finally figured it out....



Scott Malkin is trying to kill me.

Not surprising. I like Jarmo more than most but I’d prefer him in a Hockey ops and lead Scouting/draft position while Darche be the GM.

 

[BMOK33]

Not surprising. I like Jarmo more than most but I’d prefer him in a Hockey ops and lead Scouting/draft position while Darche be the GM.

He's likely the only other guy out there if no Bergevin/Holland who they'd consider giving POHO to. Anyone else will likely just get GM and they won't go with the POHO

 

[SI90]

He's likely the only other guy out there if no Bergevin/Holland who they'd consider giving POHO to. Anyone else will likely just get GM and they won't go with the POHO

Ideally you’d hire a POHO first but maybe we hire a GM this year and kinda wait and see if eventually we can find the right guy for POHO position to work with our GM?

I don’t think it’s something you should force for the sake of filling the position. But that also gives me fears that Lou will stick around in that position with a GM under him. If that happens, little will change in my opinion. Lou’s not firing his son. And Lou won’t be part of an organization where he doesn’t have most of the control and say over things. Especially since it’s been that way the passed 7 years.

 

[BelovedIsles]

This GM search has made zero sense since the beginning, but today I think I finally figured it out....



Scott Malkin is trying to kill me.

Perif, idk who you are, where you are, your integrity etc.

Here’s the deal, do whatever you can to get the best GM for our team. For all the effort you put in pontificating about management on a message board, channel that into a guerrilla/grassroots cajoling.

f*** letters, get out there and get us the best GM. Your brethren will join you (at the least, I will).

 

[IslesNorway]

I’ve no problem with them taking their time finding the right guy, but if they take their time and end up with the likes of Bergevin or Käkelainen one really have to wonder what the hell they were doing all that time.

 

[TXNYI]

I’ve no problem with them taking their time finding the right guy, but if they take their time and end up with the likes of Bergevin or Käkelainen one really have to wonder what the hell they were doing all that time.

Maybe a certain someone who is still in the fold is telling them "if you have time, use it".

 

[doublechili]

He's likely the only other guy out there if no Bergevin/Holland who they'd consider giving POHO to. Anyone else will likely just get GM and they won't go with the POHO

Ross Mahoney of WAS has never been a GM of an NHL team, but he might have enough experience to be a POHO. He's done pretty much everything else.

 

[periferal]

Perif, idk who you are, where you are, your integrity etc.

Here’s the deal, do whatever you can to get the best GM for our team. For all the effort you put in pontificating about management on a message board, channel that into a guerrilla/grassroots cajoling.

f*** letters, get out there and get us the best GM. Your brethren will join you (at the least, I will).

If only it was that simple BL. Tell you what...You get Malkin to sub Collins out for me and I promise I will get the "best GM."

Do your part and I'll do mine.

 

[The Last Red]

Ross Mahoney of WAS has never been a GM of an NHL team, but he might have enough experience to be a POHO. He's done pretty much everything else.

Keeping the Old Man around in the background likely makes the POHO position very unattractive to anyone in the hockey world with any gravitas, which this guy does not have any, so why even hire one at this point?

 

[LeapOnOver]

Keeping the Old Man around in the background likely makes the POHO position very unattractive to anyone in the hockey world with any gravitas, which this guy does not have any, so why even hire one at this point?

People are so overreacting about this. What you said above is true if it was someone with experience. If it is someone without experience, they'll just happy to be able to get their break. And that's why they would want to keep Lou around to still have some experience. If it's a retread, they don't need Lou. It's as simple as that. They aren't telling retreads that Lou will still be around, lol. This plan has only arisen since it looks like the retreads don't actually want the job, and they might have to go with a green behind the ears selection.

 

[doublechili]

Keeping the Old Man around in the background likely makes the POHO position very unattractive to anyone in the hockey world with any gravitas, which this guy does not have any, so why even hire one at this point?

Are you a Habs fan?

If the Isles hire someone as POHO, which is what I was talking about, I doubt the Lou-sticking-around click bait comes to fruition.

 

[Thrasymachus]

I don't mind Lou being around so long as he is not the GM and is not the one making the final decisions.

If we hire Darche or whomever, I see little harm in retaining Lou as a consigliere.

 

[SRBisles]

I don't mind Lou being around so long as he is not the GM and is not the one making the final decisions.

If we hire Darche or whomever, I see little harm in retaining Lou as a consigliere.

The issue is we know Lou’s vision for the team and it isn’t working. So either the new GM comes in and agrees with that vision and we stay in the mushy middle, or there’s internal disagreement between them and the working relationship suffers (which was already speculated to be the case between Lou and Roy/Collins.) It doesn’t make sense.

 

[Thrasymachus]

The issue is we know Lou’s vision for the team and it isn’t working. So either the new GM comes in and agrees with that vision and we stay in the mushy middle, or there’s internal disagreement between them and the working relationship suffers (which was already speculated to be the case between Lou and Roy/Collins.) It doesn’t make sense.

Yeah but what if Lou's vision is set aside and Lou just uses his past connections, experience as a GM to help the new guy acclimate?

Actually you know as I typed that I don't think Lou's ego would allow it xD

 

[Glory Days]

There have been quite a few posts talking about how much work needs to be done filling out a modern front office compared to what Lou had. While I don’t disagree I would be disappointed if the new POH/GM didn’t bring in a few of those hires on day 1.

 

[doublechili]

FWIW, there was a report that Lou turned down discussing POHO with BUF, and in the identical situation with TOR, he quit rather than accept being kicked up to a senior position. So he will accept that with the Isles?

 

[Glory Days]

FWIW, there was a report that Lou turned down discussing POHO with BUF, and in the identical situation with TOR, he quit rather than accept being kicked up to a senior position. So he will accept that with the Isles?

Let’s hope not. He likes running the show. I can’t see him staying beyond a very short transition period.

 

[periferal]

I don't mind Lou being around so long as he is not the GM and is not the one making the final decisions.

If we hire Darche or whomever, I see little harm in retaining Lou as a consigliere.

You are seriously underrating the situation.

I think one of the reasons Malkin/Collins are having trouble finding a replacement is because Lou is still around. They know what a dictator he is so it seriously undermines what control a new President/GM will have if they come on board...Not to mention it's just awkward to have the fired boss of any company still around when the new boss takes over.

Lou sucked as a GM. I don't want him doing anything else around this franchise. The last thing I want is the guy who things 6.5M/year spent on Engvall and Duclair giving advise to anyone. Get him the f*** out.