New York Islanders: Lamoriello Contract Not Renewed; John Collins Searching for Next GM

[icelander25]

Lou probably met with owners / collins saying he can offer the new gm the insight towards inroads made towards resigning dobson , holmstrom , sippycup and the potential trade offers made by other gm's for other players at deadline that were put on ice .

hey , I want him gone too , but if the new gm is Darche he might like the insight Lou can offer during a short transition period where Lou can advise until June 30 . By then Darche might have all the intel he needs to move forward .

I don't want Lou fiddling at all, but it can only help to give context to the new gm. Whoever the new gm is can do all the research, look at analytics, and probably watch some Isles film, but Lou definitely can set up the new gm until June 30th. I still wouldn't want him at the draft table tho

 

[Isles72]

I don't want Lou fiddling at all, but it can only help to give context to the new gm. Whoever the new gm is can do all the research, look at analytics, and probably watch some Isles film, but Lou definitely can set up the new gm until June 30th. I still wouldn't want him at the draft table tho

the draft isnt in person afaik so it might be someone like ken morrow handing our top pick an isles jersey while the new gm makes pick online / televised

 

[LeapOnOver]

Why are we so Anti-Lou? I ask that honestly.

I get he burned the cigarette to the filter with this group of guys and mortgaged the future to do so. But even these past few years when the talent hasn't been there, the on-ice product was respectable. That has value.

We need to expand the organization to manage the cap better and perhaps bring in more analytics people to do that properly, that was his greatest weakness as GM. I just don't see why Lou needs to get run out the door, he does not have the gravitas he had while running the Devils, he's an 83 year old man, give him a limited role if he wants it and if the owners respect him.

I'm not against a clean break either, I just don't believe it matters much either way.

I don't believe Lou is an egomaniac. I mean, if you've got an 83 year-old GM who has been doing the job for 40 years on speed dial to bounce some information off of in between his naps, I'm also fine with that. It's just a matter of HOW MUCH input and power will he have? Guidance is okay, decisions...no thanks.

Also the owners have to be 1000% with that as well. No scenario where new GM says I want to do x,y,z and they call Lou and he says he told them to do w, y, and z and the owners come back and say do the latter. None of that nonsense either....

 

[Strummergas]

Rosner saying Lou didn’t have anything to do with GM search. Now it’s being said that Lou is possibly going to stick around in an advisory role and foes in fact have the ears of the owners.

It could be both.

 

[SI90]

It could be both.

True.

 

[impaaaaaact]

I just died a bit inside.

Leave it to the f***ing Islanders. When they make history it's almost always of the embarrassing kind...

• Fake owner buys team
• 15 year contracts
• Car with front row seat at arena.
• Gm gets fired...Only to be kept on to help guide team into the future.

WTF??? Snow was living out of his closet 24 hours after being fired. Why isn't Lou totally removed from the premises and his parking space revoked 2 weeks later. A f***ing joke.

Lou is a legend of the sport and brought us any semblance of relevance we’ve had in the last 40 years. He deserves to be treated with respect.

As far as being kicked upstairs, it’s fine with me as long as he’s not in a position to make decisions on roster moves or staff hirings. If he’s here in an advisory/mentorship role I see no issue with it

 

[impaaaaaact]

For the record, I believe it was Lebrun who reported Lou will be sticking around for the remained of his contract which expires on 6/30.

I don’t believe they have announced this year’s draft date, but last year’s was on 6/28. It’s possible that incoming candidates are being told they will fully take the reins on 7/1, which could be after the draft. That might not be so attractive.

Any talk of the scouting team being overhauled pre draft seems remarkably unlikely. One last chance for Lou to deal the #1 for a couple of third line grinders…

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

As far as being kicked upstairs, it’s fine with me as long as he’s not in a position to make decisions on roster moves or staff hirings. If he’s here in an advisory/mentorship role I see no issue with it

On paper and in theory, this might be an understandable take.

I guess he'll naturally be briefing the new guy one way or another until June 30th.

But we're all under the guise that if they're moving on from Lou in the first place, then they're moving on from his mode of work and his vision of the how the NYI should be run and constructed.

I find it hard to believe that any candidate of value who could really come in here and take this team in another direction - likely be doing a lot of things differently - is going to get excited about the employers telling him that the guy he's hired to replace, one who didn't just quit of his own free will, will be sticking around to serve him in an "advisory" role.

I mean, Jeez Louise, that's kind of like saying, "Oh, BTW, we've got this dagger in your office hanging from the ceiling and pointing right at the back of your chair. No worries though, it's just for decoration."

I can imagine that Lou The Godfather Lamoriello is about the last person in the business you'd want hanging around all the time when you take on your new job as HIS replacement, much less one with such opportunity.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

For the record, I believe it was Lebrun who reported Lou will be sticking around for the remained of his contract which expires on 6/30.

I don’t believe they have announced this year’s draft date, but last year’s was on 6/28. It’s possible that incoming candidates are being told they will fully take the reins on 7/1, which could be after the draft. That might not be so attractive.

Any talk of the scouting team being overhauled pre draft seems remarkably unlikely. One last chance for Lou to deal the #1 for a couple of third line grinders…

Gotta think he'll still be talking to people.

I see no changes to the scouting group coming before this draft.

But I don't think they'll have him being the face on the camera (this draft will be remote, right?) at any point.

I suspect that'll be Kautonen, if not whoever is officially the GM by then.

 

[impaaaaaact]

On paper and in theory, this might be an understandable take.

But we're all under the guise that if they're moving on from Lou in the first place, then they're moving on from his mode of work and his vision of the how the NYI should be run and constructed.

I find it hard to believe that any candidate of value who could really come in here and take this team in another direction - likely be doing a lot of things differently - is going to get excited about the employers telling him that the guy he's hired to replace, one who didn't just quit of his own free will, will be sticking around to serve him in an "advisory" role.

I mean, Jeez Louise, that's kind of like saying, "Oh, BTW, we've got this dagger in your office hanging from the ceiling and pointing right at the back of your chair. No worries though, it's just for decoration."

I can imagine that Lou The Godfather Lamoriello is about the last person in the business you'd want hanging around all the time when you take on your new job, much less one with such opportunity.

I hear you. I think with Collins' newfound involvement (and reported disdain of Lou) there's a bit less of a chance that that will happen. Not optimal, but if that's the price of getting in the door as an NHL GM I think you have to take it

 

[periferal]

Lou is a legend of the sport and brought us any semblance of relevance we’ve had in the last 40 years. He deserves to be treated with respect.

As far as being kicked upstairs, it’s fine with me as long as he’s not in a position to make decisions on roster moves or staff hirings. If he’s here in an advisory/mentorship role I see no issue with it

What a crock. "Legendary" coaches/executives get fired/removed all the time. And when they do they are almost always cut off from the team. You can do that graciously, respectfully...Or you can tell them to talk a walk, but leave they must.

Oh and how much "respect" did you show hall of fame coach Barry Trotz when he fired him?

And what about Malkin/Collins respecting the fans who make them rich? For all the "respect" you want to give Lou I don't think you appreicate what a shit position this team/roster is in now, and how many more years we're going to be mired in hockey Siberia because of his work.

 

[Throttle]

Having the first overall makes the isles management decision a bit easier. Pick 1, take the D man and done. From there it’s use the Isles info and anything in the brain of the new guy.

If they want to reshape the team at the draft, then that’s a different story.

 

[periferal]

This GM search has made zero sense since the beginning, but today I think I finally figured it out....



Scott Malkin is trying to kill me.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Friedman reporting Holland around LA, which makes sense. He’s also “reserving judgement” on where he thinks the isles are headed.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Friedman reporting Holland around LA, which makes sense

You know the old saying...

"If you can't beat them 4 years long, get their GM to join you."

 

[seafoam]

They’re gonna re-sign Lou aren’t they…

 

[gordie43]

I don’t know I kind of enjoyed the Lou code of silence. All these rumors make the interview process seem like a circus, which I don’t think it is. It’s more of office doing their due intelligence.

I kind of enjoyed the calmness of thinking everything was going just fine before the islanders surprised us with a big move.

 

[Konk]

This GM search has made zero sense since the beginning, but today I think I finally figured it out....



Scott Malkin is trying to kill me.

As much as I would like new talent, if they insist on an experienced GM, I'll be honest... I'm not totally turned off by Jarmo. At least in terms of his ability to draft and find NHLers late. He doesn't have a perfect record, but he does have Werenski, Wennberg, Bjorkstrand, Gavrikov, Dubois (not picking Puljujarvi was seen as insane at the time), etc. and made the obvious picks like Fantilli (which gives me hope he'd make the right choice with Schaefer).

Granted, just about everything else in his GM skillset sucks, so maybe not...

 

[MJF]

They’re gonna re-sign Lou aren’t they…

Remember how we replaced Matt Martin and Hudson Fasching with Matt Martin and Hudson Fasching? We're going to replace Lou Lamoriello with Lou Lamoriello.

 

[xECK29x]

Friedman being really cagey in the latest pod, I think they are in or waiting on someone still employed. Chevy and Shannahan both have expiring contracts.

 

[MJF]

Again, the only thing I would hire Kekalainen for is head of scouting.

 

[impaaaaaact]

As much as I would like new talent, if they insist on an experienced GM, I'll be honest... I'm not totally turned off by Jarmo. At least in terms of his ability to draft and find NHLers late. He doesn't have a perfect record, but he does have Werenski, Wennberg, Bjorkstrand, Gavrikov, Dubois (not picking Puljujarvi was seen as insane at the time), etc. and made the obvious picks like Fantilli (which gives me hope he'd make the right choice with Schaefer).

Granted, just about everything else in his GM skillset sucks, so maybe not...

What do we put more weight into - being able to strike the deal for Panarin, or letting him walk for free?

 

[periferal]

As much as I would like new talent, if they insist on an experienced GM, I'll be honest... I'm not totally turned off by Jarmo. At least in terms of his ability to draft and find NHLers late. He doesn't have a perfect record, but he does have Werenski, Wennberg, Bjorkstrand, Gavrikov, Dubois (not picking Puljujarvi was seen as insane at the time), etc. and made the obvious picks like Fantilli (which gives me hope he'd make the right choice with Schaefer).

Granted, just about everything else in his GM skillset sucks, so maybe not...

Serious question...

How do you know that Columbus doesn't have a very good scouting department it it is that group that doesn't deserve all the credit for that nice list of players you listed above.

Because that's what scouts are for and most GMs don't scout at all (Lou), and the ones that do usually only go see the top prospects (if they have an early pick).

So closing the loop....Jarmo is embarrssing. Stop trying to convince yourself otherwise.

 

[periferal]

They’re gonna re-sign Lou aren’t they…

Not remotely a joke...

There are a few people on these boards I would give a shot to first.

 

[Throttle]

Friedman reporting Holland around LA, which makes sense. He’s also “reserving judgement” on where he thinks the isles are headed.

If this is true, then that speaks to Luc not wanting to upset his own gig. LAK management team is very cushy as it’s a small tight nit group of friends (ex-players) that all live down the street from each other.

Holland is no threat to that after they torpedoed Lombardi.