New York Islanders: Lamoriello Contract Not Renewed; John Collins Searching for Next GM

[MarsTBOW]

I think in order to avoid a major rebuild they need to acquire an elite talent via the draft sooner rather than later. That much we 100% agree with.

Now... Will a team with Barzal, Sorokin, Dobson, and Horvat finish low enough to have a top draft pick? Not unless the ping pong balls go our way.

I gotta feeling it's our turn in the Lottery....
Maybe picking 2nd

 

[LeapOnOver]

Do I really have to explain that of course no one knows what the future holds. That said we can look backwards to what has actually happened to determine that there are patterns that seem to bear out over time.

Just look at the past 10-15 years of Cup winners. They all had a level of talent significantly above what the Isles have now. Of course for some even that can be debated, but I think it's as obvious as the earth being round.

With that said I'd like to add the kind of talent I always see circling around a Cup. You know guys like MacKinnon, Hedman, Crosby, Kane, Toews, Makar, McDavid, Pietrangelo, Eichel, Doughty, Malkin, Stamkos, Draisaitl, and the list goes on. And we don't need to discuss how most all of these guys are acquired because it's been dicsussed and very obvious.

So there are no absolutes, but there are very obvious trends that lead to Cups..And I'd like to be part of those trends, as opposed to not facing that your favorite teams' roster is nowhere near talented enough to win it all.

Blues weren't stacked when they won.

 

[LeapOnOver]

It's almost been a decade since those trades took place.

Good point....dang time flies!!!

 

[Islanders4Cups]

Yes with some additions. The decision to be made by the powers to be is how many players away along with a coaching staff is right for this team to contend now?

Are they 2-3 players away OR is the whole group including the core flawed?

Also, if you think core players like Barzal, Horvat, etc are going to want to be here during a complete teardown, you may be surprised if they say they want out now which in effect is starting over and a long term losing proposition.

It potentially snowballs into a decade of losing.

The Islanders need a shrewd leader who tears down its minor league affiliates, scouting, coaching staff but keeps and adds a few pieces to the core to contend now. .

Not an easy task.

 

[icelander25]

With the Lightning out we should start to interview Darche immediately. From what I remember, we’re the only team with a vacant gm position so we can take our time and make a calculated decision, but we should pounce on this opportunity. Everybody always mentions (rebuild or retool) that the new gm has to make shrewd decision that people wouldn’t think of, and the I feel like the Lightning do that all the time.

 

[xECK29x]

Darche time

 

[SI90]

Botta Confirmed that Marc Bergevin is going to be interviewed

 

[TXNYI]

LOU IS BACK!

He is back listed on the Isles website under Coaches & Management and under Business Directory after being removed before. Odd.

Maybe just to show interview candidates all front office positions as they existed before his firing? Other than that I can't think of a reason to add him back.

 

[JJ18Sniper]

LOU IS BACK!

He is back listed on the Isles website under Coaches & Management and under Business Directory after being removed before. Odd.

Maybe just to show interview candidates all front office positions as they existed before his firing? Other than that I can't think of a reason to add him back.

Since they called it not renewing his contact instead of firing, maybe it's active for a few more weeks.

 

[SRBisles]

LOU IS BACK!

He is back listed on the Isles website under Coaches & Management and under Business Directory after being removed before. Odd.

Maybe just to show interview candidates all front office positions as they existed before his firing? Other than that I can't think of a reason to add him back.

Are you trying to ruin my day?

 

[TXNYI]

Since they called it not renewing his contact instead of firing, maybe it's active for a few more weeks.

He was definitely removed before. I took screenshots since I wanted to be able to refer to it later to see who they fired.

 

[JJ18Sniper]

He was definitely removed before. I took screenshots since I wanted to be able to refer to it later to see who they fired.

Could have been an overly excited web administrator

 

[Lame Lambert]

Botta Confirmed that Marc Bergevin is going to be interviewed

This would be catastrophic

 

[Glorydays22]

I gotta feeling it's our turn in the Lottery....
Maybe picking 2nd

The time to be lucky and win the lottery is next year....

 

[Isles72]

LOU IS BACK!

He is back listed on the Isles website under Coaches & Management and under Business Directory after being removed before. Odd.

Maybe just to show interview candidates all front office positions as they existed before his firing? Other than that I can't think of a reason to add him back.

he wasnt fired though so perhaps covering themselves legally until his contract officially runs out

 

[periferal]

Blues weren't stacked when they won.

Another post where the user focuses on an extreme outlier to try and make their point, as opposed to the real issue at hand. Very cool.

Yup - In 2019 the Blues won the Cup. To leave it at that and use that solely as your basis for any argument is as disingenuous as it comes. If you really want to have a real conversation about how to help the Islanders going forward then we need to get into the weeds on it...

The Blues were literally the worst team in the entire league in January of 2019...Until Binnington came along and had perhaps the best single half-season performance any athlete has given us in the past decade in terms of their performance leading to team success. Down the stretch of that season Binnington went 24-5-1 with a .927 save % and 1.89 GAA and had 5 shutouts...As a rookie.

Do you fully comprehend those numbers given the circumstance he was thrust into? I encourage you to watch game 7 of the Cup that year vs the Bruins and watch what Binnington did. It was jaw-dropping and if not for him they not only still don't have a Cup in their franchise's history, but they are a lottery team that year.

So did you fully understand what Binnington did when you tried to avoid the point of my previous post by flippantly saying the "Blues weren't stacked"? Now that we're discussing...Is that seriously the way you want to build a team - Needing your goaltender to have a historic NHL season to be relevant? I guess since Sorokin is easily a top 5 goalie in the league when he's on, you'd be ok if we just keep putting "non-stacked" talent around him, because perhaps one year he'll have a "Binnington-esque" performance and we can plan a parade?

Seriously? That's what you're hanging your hat on?

That plan is like giving up your job and counting on winning the lotto for your income. Could it happen? Sure. Is it likely to happen or is it even smart to do...Not at all. And to further how rare what Binnington did was in 2019, you'll also notice that Blues weren't near a Cup before or after that one historic season.

This isn't about what I, or anyone else, want to do - This is about facts. If you'd stop cherry-picking because you just and try to look at the data objectively it shows that to build a strong Cup contender there is no guaranteed way, but the most successful way is to have a readily producing core of top-end players, mostly acquired through the draft, being paid what their worth (not overpaid), so that we not only increase our odds of winning a Cup, but have a window of years where we can be a contender.

If you want to keep arguing outliers, feel free, but regardless of how you, I, or anyone else feels, in terms of building a true Cup contender there is something called reality at work here.

 

[leeroggy]

If you want to keep arguing outliers

Life is FULL of outliers my friend . . . or did you sleep through 2016 and 2024?

 

[doublechili]

If I'm Collins and Malkin, I'm studying teams like DAL and maybe WAS who have been able to build legit Cup contenders without tearing things down and without the benefit or multiple top picks. DAL has Heiskenan as a #3 overall pick in 2017, but that's about it. Obviously WAS has Ovy, but not a lot of other top draft picks there. These teams just kind of find and/or develop guys. Maybe find someone from one of those teams to be GM. I know the White guy in DAL has been mentioned....

I mean, if they want to tear it down that's fine, but I assume the guys that can contend without the benefit of high picks would be able to contend if they had high picks. Might as well hire someone who can do it the hard way.

 

[periferal]

LOU IS BACK!

He is back listed on the Isles website under Coaches & Management and under Business Directory after being removed before. Odd.

Maybe just to show interview candidates all front office positions as they existed before his firing? Other than that I can't think of a reason to add him back.

Lou does not want his firing announced. He feels it gives him an advantage on future job interviews.

 

[Throttle]

If I'm Collins and Malkin, I'm studying teams like DAL and maybe WAS who have been able to build legit Cup contenders without tearing things down and without the benefit or multiple top picks. DAL has Heiskenan as a #3 overall pick in 2017, but that's about it. Obviously WAS has Ovy, but not a lot of other top draft picks there. These teams just kind of find and/or develop guys. Maybe find someone from one of those teams to be GM. I know the White guy in DAL has been mentioned....

I mean, if they want to tear it down that's fine, but I assume the guys that can contend without the benefit of high picks would be able to contend if they had high picks. Might as well hire someone who can do it the hard way.

If the Isles had nothing on their roster, then just go to the bottom of the sea like Chicago, San Jose, and Anaheim. OTT is more of rebuild based on ineptitude ownership. PIT is about to hanging out with the titanic for a long time.

However, after how old man Nill turned around a team that had two anchor contracts on it and how Ovispeed that no one expected was the best team in the league, and owner with a new arena and adjacent shopping district wants butts in the seats, so seeing the DAL and WAS experiences is probably enticing.

The isles have enough to reposition themselves. But they do need to trade one of Dobson or Barzal to kick it off.

 

[PK Cronin]

If the Isles had nothing on their roster, then just go to the bottom of the sea like Chicago, San Jose, and Anaheim. OTT is more of rebuild based on ineptitude ownership. PIT is about to hanging out with the titanic for a long time.

However, after how old man Nill turned around a team that had two anchor contracts on it and how Ovispeed that no one expected was the best team in the league, and owner with a new arena and adjacent shopping district wants butts in the seats, so seeing the DAL and WAS experiences is probably enticing.

The isles have enough to reposition themselves. But they do need to trade one of Dobson or Barzal to kick it off.

Dallas, Washington, Winnipeg, St. Louis, Los Angeles, there are quite a few teams who have turned it around despite not tanking. Whether they're "serious contenders" or not is a different conversation but they get butts in seats for the playoffs at least.

 

[seafoam]

Bargain Bin Bergevin with Gerard Gallant sounds dope. Where do I sign?

 

[miscs75]

Bargain Bin Bergevin with Gerard Gallant sounds dope. Where do I sign?

 

[periferal]

Legit don't understand how anyone could want Marc Bergevin as next GM. He's legit Mike Milbury 2.0 - Making incredibly wild moves that don't allow a team to grow together and ultimately lead to minimal on-ice success...And thanks to Bergevin's work when he was fired as GM the Habs had no choice but to rebuild.

 

[Throttle]

Legit don't understand how anyone could want Marc Bergevin as next GM. He's legit Mike Milbury 2.0 - Making incredibly wild moves that don't allow a team to grow together and ultimately lead to minimal on-ice success...And thanks to Bergevin's work when he was fired as GM the Habs had no choice but to rebuild.

Hasn’t he been helping LA with their resurgence?

If you go with the wide net theory, then he’s a former NHL GM, so he should be interviewed.