New York Islanders: Lamoriello Contract Not Renewed; John Collins Searching for Next GM

[periferal]

Supposedly Lou is still involved in helping with the president GM search and is endorsing Holland. I just want a good collection of hockey minds. I’m not crazy about Holland. He’s like a lesser version of Lou without the fear and respect around the league.

If Holland is named President, which I’m hoping doesn’t happen, I do hope he brings on a younger up-and-coming GM candidate like a Darche and then hires a bunch of new scouts and modernizes I were drafting and scouting departments as well as player development departments too.

Sorry....


I'm going to need you to expand on and fully detail that word above with not just all information in its entirety, but corroborating proof of that information as well.

 

[Islander Class]

I wouldn't mind Holland in a senior role, advising directly to ownership. Basically, a title, salary, and office to represent us well around the league, and most importantly make sure things don't ever ever go completely off the rails 90s/00s NYI-style.

For actual GM though- I'd prefer Darche, or someone from an org. like Carolina (admire how they've run their org year-after-year in spite of restrictions) hungry, and ready to cut their teeth...

 

[periferal]

We're at the point where I would take Bergevin to stay away from Holland or Kekäläinen...And I'd take Darche over all of them, when I'm not sure he'll be a great GM, just because I know the others aren't.

This is not a good place to be.

 

[xECK29x]

Sorry....


I'm going to need you to expand on and fully detail that word above with not just all information in its entirety, but corroborating proof of that information as well.

Why? Find it yourself, I’ve seen this too. He is advising on the search.

 

[periferal]

Why? Find it yourself, I’ve seen this too. He is advising on the search.

Thank you for your help in this matter.

 

[SI90]

Sorry....


I'm going to need you to expand on and fully detail that word above with not just all information in its entirety, but corroborating proof of that information as well.

It’s on Twitter. I believe Stephen Rosen said it.

This is not what I wanted. Botta seems to believe the choice has been made and the president will also be the GM. That sounds like Holland who is similar to Lou.

 

[xECK29x]

 

[periferal]

It’s on Twitter. I believe Stephen Rosen said it.

This is not what I wanted. Botta seems to believe the choice has been made and the president will also be the GM. That sounds like Holland who is similar to Lou.

I mean how is Rosen reporting that Lou is "advising" in the GM/President search, but LeBrun, Staple, or anyone more tied in than him not said a peep about that?

Holland would be beyond disappointing, but it's clear that's where it's going.

Why are we going after UNEMPLOYED candidates...??? Doesn't that tell you something?

My only hope is that they revamp the scouting department and draft so well that the talent accumulated supercedes any bad trades or coaching.

 

[Throttle]

In the end, Botta is still on the sidelines.

 

[SI90]

I mean how is Rosen reporting that, but LeBrun, Staple, or anyone more tied in than him not said a peep about that.

Holland would be beyond disappointing, but it's clear that's where it's going.

Why are we going after UNEMPLOYED candidates...??? Doesn't that tell you something?

My only hope is that they revamp the scouting department and draft so well that the talent accumulated supercedes any bad trades or coaching.

Ageeed

 

[Strummergas]

I think Holland with Darche would be more palatable. The last thing we need is another power-starved old man who refuses to delegate. Ideally, the POHO is here to build out systems (analytics, scouting, development, fixing Bridgeport etc.), and the GM would handle personnel decisions (roster, signings, trades, drafting, coaching).

That's what I was thinking, and I hope the ownership group has the same thing in mind or something very similar.

 

[SI90]

- Darche will interview for GM position
- Isles have reached out to Habs for Gorton( I’d love a Gorton Darche combo but makes no sense for Gorton to make a lateral move)

 

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[SI90]

It’s only too poetic the life of an isles fan to go from complete euphoria for winning to draft lottery and moving up 10 spots to pick number one overall to then hiring another dinosaur to run the show.

 

[JRD76]

It’s only too poetic the life of an isles fan to go from complete euphoria for winning to draft lottery and moving up 10 spots to pick number one overall to then hiring another dinosaur to run the show.

This is how I feel. Being so excited to win the lottery and then hearing Holland will likely be GM AND POHO? So they fire Lou just to hire Lou again? I don’t get it. We’ll be back to signing guys like duclair and engval trying to improve the team next year to make the playoffs when the right move is retool

 

[periferal]

WTF is Malkin/Collins doing with this search process. If we are to believe all the reports then consider...

• Their leading candidate is 69
• ...And unemployed
• ...And only the Sabres want him.
• Their 2nd choice got fired from his GM job
• ...Because his "work" there forced the team to rebuild.
• ...While no one else wanted him other than getting a "special advisor" role
• Their 3rd choice was an abject trainwreck in his decade as GM.
• Literally no other team though. him valuable enough to hire him for any role since he was fired.
• All this while Lou is still in the building.

What are we even doing here...?

 

[Zeeker]

This is how I feel. Being so excited to win the lottery and then hearing Holland will likely be GM AND POHO? So they fire Lou just to hire Lou again? I don’t get it. We’ll be back to signing guys like duclair and engval trying to improve the team next year to make the playoffs when the right move is retool

It’s like when Lou fired Trotz because the team needed a “new voice in the room”… then hired Trotz’s assistant who was already a voice in said room

 

[Spawn]

One Oiler fan's perspective on Holland:

Trading:
The trade he made for Mattias Ekholm was truly transformative for the team. I'd say the most positively impactful trade the team made since trading for Chris Pronger in 2006. Completely re-shaped the defense. That deal truly cannot be understated. This deal changed the Oilers from fighting for a playoff spot to fighting for a cup.

Other than that... a whole bunch of meh. Always seemed to give up an extra pick/prospect whenever making a deal and most of his deals didn't amount to much. Somehow managed to give up assets to take on the corpse of Duncan Keith.

Free agent signings:
The Jack Campbell signing was catastrophic. The Zach Hyman signing has been brilliant. Other than that, much like his trade history here, mostly a bunch of meh. A lot of bottom of the lineup guys who never really amounted to much.

Contract renegotiations:
Signed Darnell Nurse to not one, but two terrible contracts. The first one took him right to free agency and the second one was a year earlier than it needed to be and is one of the worst contracts in the league. Signed Zack Kassian to an embarrassing deal that required paying another team to take him a year or so later. Signed guys like Puljujarvi and Yamamoto to deals that they then were desperate to get out of just a year or so later.

The main issue with his roster construction here wasn't the moves he made, it was the moves that he couldn't make. He famously said "you can't squeeze GMs" in this league and seemed to use that as an excuse for never being able to properly address the massive holes on the Oilers team. The same issues that the team had when he took over: lack of a legit goalie, needing a top 4 RHD, poor scoring depth etc were the same issues we had when he left 5 years later. Over the course of 5 years he really only added two players to the core, Ekholm and Hyman. Everyone else (McDavid, Draisaitl, Bouchard, Nurse, Nuge etc) was already in the organization before he arrived.

IMO the Oilers win 2 cups in the last 5 years with a legitimately good GM. That being said, Holland was much much better than Peter Chiarelli at the main team roster construction. He at least didn't actively sabotage the team like Chiarelli seemed to try and do.

Drafting/development:
Broberg and Holloway were solid first round picks, but he managed to sabotage the relationship with both of them by screwing them around by keeping them in the AHL too long and not making room for them when he should have. It was a big reason why both were willing to sign offer sheets in the summer imo.

Otherwise his drafting was beyond horrible. He left the Oilers team in complete shambles when it comes to prospects. After 5 years of drafting and trading he left the organization with one, maybe 2 prospects with any kind of NHL potential. Most of his picks flamed out the instant they transitioned to the AHL.

Anyways, just one Oiler fans opinion. Take it for what its worth.

 

[YearlyLottery]

I have not seen a genuine reason for Holland being bad other than being old. Let's take away everything he did with Detroit. He still turned Edmonton from a fringe playoff team to a game away from winning a Stanley Cup. Kept first round picks for the most part, had some solid free agent pickups. Not his fault as soon as he left they let go of two solid first round picks.

 

[Strummergas]

The guy hasn't even been hired yet. Typical HF to freak out over something that hasn't even happened yet.

I thought the vibe here was too good to last and I was right.

 

[SI90]

@periferal it wasnt Rosner who said it. I asked him directly and he said Lou isn’t involved. That was a rumor that was thrown out there.

 

[SI90]

 

[periferal]

Read the LeBrun article this morning and it gives me a bit more hope in that it says they still want to interview executives on teams still in the playoffs (so they aren't 100% sold on Holland just yet). I have to believe that's someone on Dallas, but not sure who else. In a dream they'd go after Bill Zito, but no way he's leaving Florida.

That said, not sure why it's taking so long to interview a bunch of these people...Unless they don't want to be interviewed.

The Kings and Lightning were eliminated a week ago. Why hasn't there been even a preliminary call with Bergevin and Darche yet? I mean...Who in the hell has Collins interviewed over the past 2 weeks other than Holland?

The draft is 6 weeks away. Collins/Malkin shouldn't rush into any decision, but seems like they're working at a speed where they may have to.

Let's get a move on here with these interviews.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Wait, is this Gorton?

Didn't he have a role on The Sopranos?

 

[Lame Lambert]

Wait, is this Gorton?

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Didn't he have a role on The Sopranos?

Oof, ma’ddon! He looks terrible!