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I hope you all realize that minus Igor’s point blank heroics in the first and especially the 2nd that this is a humiliating 11-3 loss .
The Devils put what seemed like 86 pucks at goal in periods 1 & 2 alone .

An alarming Loss .. 🚨

And the great Larry Brooks crystallizes it for the deaf dumb and blind- we suck.

 
He carried us in the playoffs and almost beat the Lightning by himself. Pacing 40 goals and 90 points is not a genuine elite 1C?

This discussion is bizarre.
All of the guys I mentioned also put up those kind of numbers. They are/we’re all elite. They just also got to play “in the shadow” of a bigger star - team’s game plan for MacKinnon and Makar and then Rantanen runs wild. Crosby was always top focus when healthy. Every team tried to shade Ovechkin and take away that option which left Backstrom more space to operate - with less spotlight and pressure.

What I’m saying is that Mika may be every bit as elite as you say but he would benefit from an alpha type to take pressure and attention off of him. He’d probably hit the net more. He’d honestly probably produce even more (not that I have a problem with his production). Panarin isn’t that guy. He should be with his numbers and cap hit, but he isn’t. And paying someone 11.6M to not be an actual play driving, pace dictating threat that other teams have to plan to neutralize is a problem.

I guess my point was simply that some guys are better suited to the “elite sidekick” role than being the top dog. It doesn’t mean they’re not still elite. It means they’re at their best when someone else is getting all of the attention and they can just play their game.

There is no “top dog” in our forward group. No put the puck on my stick, I’m the threat every night, every shift, other teams have to plan for me type. So Mika has to be that guy when he’s just not really built to be. Everything you said is true - production is great, PKs, plays the most minutes. I’m not taking any of that away from him.

Panarin was supposed to be a superstar at 11.6M - he’s an irresponsible floater who racks up assists but does not take over games or dictate play. If (in a dream world) you reallocated 11M to any one forward with a top dog, alpha superstar mentality in the league, Mika becomes even better, IMO, because then he isn’t being asked to be “the” guy.

You can be an elite talent without being able to handle top billing. Kessel was at one point, but he preferred being a sidekick. Look what Nylander has been able to break out into in the shadow of Matthews/Marner. Does Rantanen turn out as elite if MacKinnon isn’t the main focus and engine on that offense? Does Draisaitl ever have the seasons he’s had if he was drafted to a different franchise and asked to be their go to guy? Backstrom had a hall of fame career but never had to be “the man” in Washington.

It’s not an insult to say Mika isn’t cut out to be the top dog on a championship team. It doesn’t mean he’s not an elite center. I’m just trying to say he’s forced to be THE guy when he’d be better as “that other guy”. There are plenty of elite supporting players who are still elite despite not being the main focus of their opponent.
 
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Pissed it was this game when they decided to beat themselves.

They sent the Devils into a tailspin breaking their 11 game road win streak and they had them down and out in this one (despite Igor having to bail them out constantly).

All they needed to do was play a solid third on the road but now this will be the game to catapult the Devils back into playing confident hockey.

f***ing dumbest loss of the season
 
I hope you all realize that minus Igor’s point blank heroics in the first and especially the 2nd that this is a humiliating 11-3 loss .
The Devils put what seemed like 86 pucks at goal in periods 1 & 2 alone .

An alarming Loss .. 🚨

And the great Larry Brooks crystallizes it for the deaf dumb and blind- we suck.

Man having a team get 102 points in a year and suck is an impressive feat….

Zibs play was horrible last night. No way around that. Someone saying his +/- was good is hilarious though
 
ANYONE added to this team. He needs to be able to skate.
We need a Jan Erixon/John Madden guy ASAP......Hughes simply can't be allowed that much time and space when we play him . Just be on him like glue....do we even have a guy that can keep up to him outside of Kreider or Gauthier ? I'm not sure if either one of them two is smart enough either . In saying that though I stick Kreider on him all day....don't worry about scoring....just out and out shadow him and abuse when the chance arises. It's not rocket science and I think Kreider might have a chance .
 
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We need a Jan Erixon/John Madden guy ASAP......Hughes simply can't be allowed that much time and space when we play him . Just be on him like glue....do we even have a guy that can keep up to him outside of Kreider or Gauthier ? I'm not sure if either one of them two is smart enough either . In saying that though I stick Kreider on him all day....don't worry about scoring....just out and out shadow him and abuse when the chance arises. It's not rocket science and I think Kreider might have a chance .
THIS is why I liked the Kreider-Trocheck-Vesey line
 
We need a Jan Erixon/John Madden guy ASAP......Hughes simply can't be allowed that much time and space when we play him . Just be on him like glue....do we even have a guy that can keep up to him outside of Kreider or Gauthier ? I'm not sure if either one of them two is smart enough either . In saying that though I stick Kreider on him all day....don't worry about scoring....just out and out shadow him and abuse when the chance arises. It's not rocket science and I think Kreider might have a chance .
Can't remember the last time a player was "shadowed" in that manner -- used to be a regular occurrence once upon a time.
 
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We need a Jan Erixon/John Madden guy ASAP......Hughes simply can't be allowed that much time and space when we play him . Just be on him like glue....do we even have a guy that can keep up to him outside of Kreider or Gauthier ? I'm not sure if either one of them two is smart enough either . In saying that though I stick Kreider on him all day....don't worry about scoring....just out and out shadow him and abuse when the chance arises. It's not rocket science and I think Kreider might have a chance .
Brodz and/or Trocheck were probably the best matchups
 
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And it's not just the kids.

Zibanejad and Panarin also developed seriously annoying habits that didn't exist until their last few years on the Rangers.

Only Kreider plays "right" by my standard and relative to what he's capable of.

The vets know how to get by on their talent and find a way, but this organization seems to just poison forwards of all shapes and sizes.

Also, I think your two points are very related.
That's the $1,000,000,000 question.

How does the org/management/coaching staff get their players to their best?
 
All of the guys I mentioned also put up those kind of numbers. They are/we’re all elite. They just also got to play “in the shadow” of a bigger star - team’s game plan for MacKinnon and Makar and then Rantanen runs wild. Crosby was always top focus when healthy. Every team tried to shade Ovechkin and take away that option which left Backstrom more space to operate - with less spotlight and pressure.

What I’m saying is that Mika may be every bit as elite as you say but he would benefit from an alpha type to take pressure and attention off of him. He’d probably hit the net more. He’d honestly probably produce even more (not that I have a problem with his production). Panarin isn’t that guy. He should be with his numbers and cap hit, but he isn’t. And paying someone 11.6M to not be an actual play driving, pace dictating threat that other teams have to plan to neutralize is a problem.

I guess my point was simply that some guys are better suited to the “elite sidekick” role than being the top dog. It doesn’t mean they’re not still elite. It means they’re at their best when someone else is getting all of the attention and they can just play their game.

There is no “top dog” in our forward group. No put the puck on my stick, I’m the threat every night, every shift, other teams have to plan for me type. So Mika has to be that guy when he’s just not really built to be. Everything you said is true - production is great, PKs, plays the most minutes. I’m not taking any of that away from him.

Panarin was supposed to be a superstar at 11.6M - he’s an irresponsible floater who racks up assists but does not take over games or dictate play. If (in a dream world) you reallocated 11M to any one forward with a top dog, alpha superstar mentality in the league, Mika becomes even better, IMO, because then he isn’t being asked to be “the” guy.

You can be an elite talent without being able to handle top billing. Kessel was at one point, but he preferred being a sidekick. Look what Nylander has been able to break out into in the shadow of Matthews/Marner. Does Rantanen turn out as elite if MacKinnon isn’t the main focus and engine on that offense? Does Draisaitl ever have the seasons he’s had if he was drafted to a different franchise and asked to be their go to guy? Backstrom had a hall of fame career but never had to be “the man” in Washington.

It’s not an insult to say Mika isn’t cut out to be the top dog on a championship team. It doesn’t mean he’s not an elite center. I’m just trying to say he’s forced to be THE guy when he’d be better as “that other guy”. There are plenty of elite supporting players who are still elite despite not being the main focus of their opponent.

I took issue with him not being a 1C.

Thank you for clarifying. Good post.
 
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He’s pacing 38 goals and 88 points. I’m reading posts about how he can’t handle adversity. Hilarious.

and 2 goals in just over a minute to tie game 6 in round 1, assisted on the winning goal, scored the biggest goal of the season to tie up game 7 late. had a bunch of other huge goals in the semis and ECF. all this while matched up with the opposing teams best line for defensive purposes. but yeah, again, not a player who can handle adversity...(lmao)
 
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102 pt pace. We’ll be ok.

The sting of that loss, and the overreaction that accompanied it, was Hughes shoving it up our ass while our own first overall pick looks lost.

People are getting restless and for good reason.

Just want to leave these two game cards here for review……but we lost because of laf right?

@ReddestRum i haven’t forgotten about you either. Once my dumb ban from the laf thread is over I’m coming after your shitty laf takes lol

So Laf actually had a decent game.
 
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I did and also gave an example of why. Did you miss his play when his stick broke on the PK? But no, his aim was off so lets forget about all the other aspects of his game.
This is like saying laf cost us the game but then conveniently forgetting he broke up an easy goal for the devils with a back check. FYI all the stats show zibs did not play his best game yesterday. You give zib a pass for missing the net on the breakaway but then don’t use that same logic with other players on the team
 
This is like saying laf cost us the game but then conveniently forgetting he broke up an easy goal for the devils with a back check. FYI all the stats show zibs did not play his best game yesterday. You give zib a pass for missing the net on the breakaway but then don’t use that same logic with other players on the team

I never gave him a pass for the miss in OT but look at how he created that opportunity.
 
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