Waived: [LAK] F Arthur Kaliyev waived by the Kings (claimed)

[Osprey]

I posted this exactly a year ago:

LA won't trade Kaliyev. What they'll do is continue to misuse him for another year or two, until they decide to send him down to the minors to get playing time and re-build his confidence, at which point they'll lose him to waivers and he'll become the next Eeli Tolvanen.

This organization is so predictable.

 

[Avs2022]

every young player that the kings waived have not made a place from themselves elsewhere.

What about all the players Blake has traded away?

 

[Bounces R Way]

I just don't think he skates well enough to be much more than a 15G 2nd PP guy. Which can still be useful and I imagine he'll be picked up but whoever does needs to give him an attitude adjustment.

Probably worth the risk for a handful of teams.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

I just don't think he skates well enough to be much more than a 15G 2nd PP guy. Which can still be useful and I imagine he'll be picked up but whoever does needs to give him an attitude adjustment.

Probably worth the risk for a handful of teams.

So a poor mans version of Sprong who cannot skate. I remember when Sprong was in Anaheim he was a fairly good skater and even though he floated he at least could keep up when the team regained puck possession. If a guy like that cannot skate it means less chances to get his shot off.

I'd rather trade future considerations (maybe an ECHL player) for Sprong than claim Kaliyev.

 

[Hollel]

So a poor mans version of Sprong who cannot skate. I remember when Sprong was in Anaheim he was a fairly good skater and even though he floated he at least could keep up when the team regained puck possession. If a guy like that cannot skate it means less chances to get his shot off.

I'd rather trade future considerations (maybe an ECHL player) for Sprong than claim Kaliyev.

Seems like a lot of comments comparing him to Sprong and while I get they both might top out as similar *producing* players with good shots I think they’re quite different. Neither are physical but I think Kaliyev is capable of playing a heavier game. He’s also shown a ceiling of being very smart on finding soft spots on the ice off puck to help with transition and playmaking. Of course there’s still a big question of him doing this consistently. Really hope he gets a shot on a team and runs with it because I’ve been a huge Kaliyev truther lol

 

[amnesiac]

which teams have priority?

 

[Wattsburgh]

I believe the Penguins need raw shooting talent. If he clears, how about a swap of Kaliyev and Puljujarvi?

Yes.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

which teams have priority?

wouldnt it follow the standings form last year?
SJ, CHI, ANA, CBJ, MTL, UTA, OTT, SEA, CGY
I never kept up with who has made claims this year or not but I assume one of these teams own the top waiver claim?

 

[Golden_Jet]

wouldnt it follow the standings form last year?
SJ, CHI, ANA, CBJ, MTL, UTA, OTT, SEA, CGY
I never kept up with who has made claims this year or not but I assume one of these teams own the top waiver claim?

Follows last year to November 1,
then goes to current standings (assume by points percentage not points).

 

[VikingAv]

which teams have priority?

wouldnt it follow the standings form last year?
SJ, CHI, ANA, CBJ, MTL, UTA, OTT, SEA, CGY
I never kept up with who has made claims this year or not but I assume one of these teams own the top waiver claim?

The standings from last year only matters until november 1st. After that it is inverse order of standings in the current season.

It doesn't matter at all if a team has already made a claim or two, it's only a fantasy league thing that you lose your spot in the order. For instance; if Chicago has first priority today and pick up Kaliev they will also have first priority tomorrow if they're still the shittiest team in the league.

 

[wetcoast]

So we should know alter today, exactly when did the 24 hour period start?

 

[barriers]

So we should know alter today, exactly when did the 24 hour period start?

Waivers now start and end at 2pm Eastern

 

[Arthur Morgan]

The standings from last year only matters until november 1st. After that it is inverse order of standings in the current season.

It doesn't matter at all if a team has already made a claim or two, it's only a fantasy league thing that you lose your spot in the order. For instance; if Chicago has first priority today and pick up Kaliev they will also have first priority tomorrow if they're still the shittiest team in the league.

ooooh ok thanks, didnt realize that., I guess that makes sense though

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Seems like a lot of comments comparing him to Sprong and while I get they both might top out as similar *producing* players with good shots I think they’re quite different. Neither are physical but I think Kaliyev is capable of playing a heavier game. He’s also shown a ceiling of being very smart on finding soft spots on the ice off puck to help with transition and playmaking. Of course there’s still a big question of him doing this consistently. Really hope he gets a shot on a team and runs with it because I’ve been a huge Kaliyev truther lol

Yeah when he's at his best he's Dwight King with a lethal shot

He can be great at puck protection and a load on the boards, which is why he was so great with Moore and Danault, they like to play the cycle game. Also, when the 4th line was great, it made sense--Kaliyev-Lizotte-Lemieux, where Lizotte is a buzzsaw and skilled enough to make plays involving Arty, and Lemieux was the checker/physical presence for both.

Really what you want him to be doing is that and finding the soft spot in the ozone...part of his failures with the Kings was putting him with players who either need the puck and won't give it up (Fiala) or were low-talent depth players like Lewis or just f***ing sucked like PLD...Kaliyev being the scapegoat for the failed Kaliyev-PLD line will never make me not mad. He's not going to lug the puck thru the neutral zone, he's not going to be excellent at defense, he'll never be a great checker. He's a weapon and needs to be used like one. But none of this should be surprising from the organization that put Kovalchuk on the 3RW and in front of the net on the PP and doubleshifts a liability like Fiala. I'm not sure there's a worse org at deployment.

But I guess that's the drawback--he's not going to be plug-and-play and you have to find the right linemates/situation. I can understand people not wanting a 'medium maintenance' player for the risk vs. reward of it. I believe there's upside there and we started to see it before the Kings buried him.

 

[SlimCharles]

Its more of an off-ice issues with Kaliyev.

He quit on the team and demanded a trade last year. He had been scheduled for a prime spot with Dubois and Fiala last year, but got suspended late in camp. When Dubois messed his pants and Fiala, once again, proved that he cannot play with anyone with skill, the line was dismantled and Kaliyev was pushed down to the 4th line. He wanted out. He would show up to practice and games and leave immediately after, not involving himself in any team activities.

This is a talented kid who got caught up in the Kings piss poor developmental program, then handled it in the worst way. THAT is why they couldn't get even a 4th for him at the draft, the word is out on him. He needs to rebuild his image to be given another chance.

Ah yes, it's the Kings fault that he acts like a child.

 

[Altimus]

I don't see how Chicago isn't taking him.

 

[Craig Ludwig]

Would claim him in Montreal if there was a spot.

If he clears he'll have value.

We have no room for him in Montreal, he's not a guy you get to play on 3rd/4th line

 

[Craig Ludwig]

Its more of an off-ice issues with Kaliyev.

He quit on the team and demanded a trade last year. He had been scheduled for a prime spot with Dubois and Fiala last year, but got suspended late in camp. When Dubois messed his pants and Fiala, once again, proved that he cannot play with anyone with skill, the line was dismantled and Kaliyev was pushed down to the 4th line. He wanted out. He would show up to practice and games and leave immediately after, not involving himself in any team activities.

This is a talented kid who got caught up in the Kings piss poor developmental program, then handled it in the worst way. THAT is why they couldn't get even a 4th for him at the draft, the word is out on him. He needs to rebuild his image to be given another chance.

Seems to me that the Kings "Piss Poor Development Plan" did pretty well with Kempe, no? Laferriere? Clarke? Anderson? Trevor Moore? Jordan Spence?

The only one to blame is Kaliyev and his "Piss Poor Attitude"

 

[Taytro]

It's funny how this keeps happening in most NHL teams. I've seen so many one-dimensional type of guys get drafted, and teams try to instill some two-way crap into the player, and they fail to develop and off to Europe they go.

Sometimes you just got to live with the warts on a player. Not everyone is a two-way player.

I've been preaching this story since Yakupov. Teams are so focused on developing these younger guys into 200ft players, or into guys that can play in a certain system that they miss out on the chance of having the next great goal scorer.

If a guy like Kaliev can score at a 20 goal, 40 point pace at 21 while averaging only 11 minutes a night, he's surely got to be useful in some capacity. In a league where secondary scoring is so valuable how do you waive him for being a bad 4th liner?

What would happen if you focused on developing / improving the skills that they're already good at instead of forcing them into roles they're clearly not made for?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Seems to me that the Kings "Piss Poor Development Plan" did pretty well with Kempe, no? Laferriere? Clarke? Anderson? Trevor Moore? Jordan Spence?

The only one to blame is Kaliyev and his "Piss Poor Attitude"

Kempe was drafted and developed 3 years before this front office even showed up
Laferriere went straight from college to pro
Clarke famously went from being the best player on the ice in his first 9 games to being sent down to Ontario to NOT PLAY FOR AN ENTIRE MONTH before being sent back to juniors and now he's been neutered
Anderson is a hit, but Kings are excellent with 'defensive' players
Moore was traded from TO to LA in his mid 20s
Spence got dicked around for an entire year so they could play Walker who everyone knew had no future here, then he went to occupying Doughty's spot playing up to 28 minutes a night excellently, then got buried in the AHL again for reasons.

Some guys will succeed in spite of the piss poor development plan because they are that good. It looks like you're just rattling off roster players without any background.

 

[BHawk21]

When do we know where he lands?

 

[FlyguyOX]

When do we know where he lands?

2pm I think

 

[archanfelnsx]

When do we know where he lands?

When Elliotte Friedman posts “Kaliyev claimed by NYR, no one new on waivers today.”

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

I don't see how Chicago isn't taking him.

He is not a shitty washed up vet so that is big strike against him

Davidson loves his shitty vets

I hope Davidson claims him but I dont expect it

 

[King'sPawn]

Seems to me that the Kings "Piss Poor Development Plan" did pretty well with Kempe, no? Laferriere? Clarke? Anderson? Trevor Moore? Jordan Spence?

The only one to blame is Kaliyev and his "Piss Poor Attitude"

There is certainly blame to go Kaliyev's way. But saying it's all Kaliyev is an oversimplification of the issue.

Kempe, in particular, took 7 years to really get going, and that's because he worked on his shot independently. Kaliyev is in his D+6 season.

RJ addressed the rest.

The Kings are very good at developing a "type" of player, of which Kaliyev is not.

So at what point do we question organizations for trying to change the style of player even if they're not a good fit? Or having some flexibility in how they develop players? Because not all students learn the same way.