SettlementRichie10
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WJC performance is so vastly overblown when scouting prospects. It can provide some interesting insights into player mentality in big one-off games, but that's about it.
Prospect Info: LAK Draft (2nd, 2020) C Quinton Byfield - Sudbury Wolves, OHL
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Raccoon Jesus
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And then you realize every 2nd-to-3rd MVP fades into obscurity or deep Euro leagues
Ziggy Stardust
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‘Member Cody Hodgson? Or the guy Zegras was chasing as the top American WJC scorer, Jordan Schroeder?
Raccoon Jesus
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I also love the flip flop examples. Someone better shake MacKinnon and remind him he's supposed to bust.
Peasy
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Not a Kings fan but wanted to give some of my thoughts on him, and not in the main boards as that place can turn into a cesspool, especially when people are talking about Byfield.
I personally don't understand the hate hes received all tournament long. And just because Stutzle did so well, doesn't mean Byfield is a "flop". Their situations were completely different from one another, so its not a great situation to compare the two directly. Stutzle was given all the opportunity in the world to succeeded from the beginning, and that was going to be the case all tournament long. Germany's entire game plan was essentially give Stutzle the puck and see how far he can carry us. This was not the case for Byfield, he came into arguably on paper, one of the most stacked Team Canada teams ever. Due to several older returning players, he was never really given the opportunity to be the "guy" on this team. He was never the 1C right out of the gate, or even put on the #1pp for that matter. Over the course of the tournament, he didnt even average 13 mins of ice a night, but other than Cozens I personally think its difficult to pick out a single forward on Canada that really out played him.
This Team Canada team in particular played with a lot of structure, and more of a grinding style which of course won't look as fun or exciting as to what Stutzle was doin for Germany.
Would it have been nice for him to put up a few more points? Of course, but I thought he played well overall given his usage, and started to get more comfortable as the games went on. For most of the tournament, it didn't really seem like he was playing "his game", but more so the game Canada wanted him to play. This happens all the time for Team Canada, especially during the Olympics. You'll have a number of players that are "the guy" on their team, but when they play for Team Canada, thats not the case anymore and they get put into a role that theyre not typically use to.
I remember before the draft some scouts/people saying how he lacks a 2 way game etc but I saw no evidence of that. He looked great away from the puck, which is impressive at the age of 18. The kid is immensely talented and will have a great NHL career. I'm excited to see him in either the NHL or AHL this year.
I personally don't understand the hate hes received all tournament long. And just because Stutzle did so well, doesn't mean Byfield is a "flop". Their situations were completely different from one another, so its not a great situation to compare the two directly. Stutzle was given all the opportunity in the world to succeeded from the beginning, and that was going to be the case all tournament long. Germany's entire game plan was essentially give Stutzle the puck and see how far he can carry us. This was not the case for Byfield, he came into arguably on paper, one of the most stacked Team Canada teams ever. Due to several older returning players, he was never really given the opportunity to be the "guy" on this team. He was never the 1C right out of the gate, or even put on the #1pp for that matter. Over the course of the tournament, he didnt even average 13 mins of ice a night, but other than Cozens I personally think its difficult to pick out a single forward on Canada that really out played him.
This Team Canada team in particular played with a lot of structure, and more of a grinding style which of course won't look as fun or exciting as to what Stutzle was doin for Germany.
Would it have been nice for him to put up a few more points? Of course, but I thought he played well overall given his usage, and started to get more comfortable as the games went on. For most of the tournament, it didn't really seem like he was playing "his game", but more so the game Canada wanted him to play. This happens all the time for Team Canada, especially during the Olympics. You'll have a number of players that are "the guy" on their team, but when they play for Team Canada, thats not the case anymore and they get put into a role that theyre not typically use to.
I remember before the draft some scouts/people saying how he lacks a 2 way game etc but I saw no evidence of that. He looked great away from the puck, which is impressive at the age of 18. The kid is immensely talented and will have a great NHL career. I'm excited to see him in either the NHL or AHL this year.
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Raccoon Jesus
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Well said, better than I have been able to haha. He seemed overly focused on playing his 'role'.
Him and his coach said that he was asked to manage the puck differently for this tournament. I think that his elite two way play worked against him in that theres 12 1st round picks in the forwards, they can all play offense, But Q can also play defense so he ends up getting a more defensive role on a line where he's told to keep possession and not to take any risks. He plays the role perfectly, the coach singles him out about how coachable he is and how much he listens to his instructions but the boards blow up because hes not scoring goals like the first line is.
SFKingshomer
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Ultimately it's a 19 year old tournament. How many times have we heard that over the years? He did what was asked of him in a reduced role. I'm still excited about his future.
Masked
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Tim Stuetzle perhaps? Might be some more like that from this past draft.
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This post doesn't really pertain to Byfield as a prospect, but do you guys remember anyone talking about Draft Dynasty's prospect videos on youtube? Predraft a lot of amateur scouts were quoted and shared, but Draft Dynasty was discredited here because he ranked Byfield 6th. I thought it was super interesting because I was super impressed with his stuff. Ultimately the point is he just got a job as an NHL scout. So I guess an NHL team was also impressed with his work
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Sol
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View media item 8271This post doesn't really pertain to Byfield as a prospect, but do you guys remember anyone talking about Draft Dynasty's prospect videos on youtube? Predraft a lot of amateur scouts were quoted and shared, but Draft Dynasty was discredited here because he ranked Byfield 6th. I thought it was super interesting because I was super impressed with his stuff. Ultimately the point is he just got a job as an NHL scout. So I guess an NHL team was also impressed with his work
I liked his work as well. He made good content.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
View media item 8271This post doesn't really pertain to Byfield as a prospect, but do you guys remember anyone talking about Draft Dynasty's prospect videos on youtube? Predraft a lot of amateur scouts were quoted and shared, but Draft Dynasty was discredited here because he ranked Byfield 6th. I thought it was super interesting because I was super impressed with his stuff. Ultimately the point is he just got a job as an NHL scout. So I guess an NHL team was also impressed with his work
No, this is f***ing fiction and you can knock it off with this 'i told you so' bullshit. Now.
An easy search shows that the critique here of the Byfield Draft Dynasty video was about three posters noting that everyone elsewhere latched on to the Draft Dynasty's comment that "byfield gets all his points in transition" and that that became a common criticism right after. There is literally not one mention of the Draft Dynasty rankings video that you bring up.
You need to stop coming back here to pump up Stutzle if all you're going to do is make shit up. It's getting transparent and it's childish. It's not subtle.
In fact, the same search would reveal that aside from that comment, just about everyone on this forum was enjoying his work, as it was different and thorough. He earned that job, that's for sure.
In short, this is a bullshit, shoehorned dig at Byfield and it's not cute. Didn't you say you were done posting on this forum because you didn't like the Stutzle criticism? Maybe you should see yourself out again if you're going to be so dishonest.
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Mats26
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View media item 8271This post doesn't really pertain to Byfield as a prospect, but do you guys remember anyone talking about Draft Dynasty's prospect videos on youtube? Predraft a lot of amateur scouts were quoted and shared, but Draft Dynasty was discredited here because he ranked Byfield 6th. I thought it was super interesting because I was super impressed with his stuff. Ultimately the point is he just got a job as an NHL scout. So I guess an NHL team was also impressed with his work
Amature gets hired by an amature drafting team. Habs have been dreadful at drafting for a decade. Want to see good scouting reports go see Scouching on u tube. I think he is the best and uses metrics, pretty cool.
kingsfan28
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I thought the same thing when looking at that list of top WJC scorers. There are lots of guys who made names for themselves in the WJC, yet never made it past the Ahl, if that.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I feel for Hodgson because it came out he had a health issue that sabotaged his career. But yeah for every Roenick there's a Schroeder, for every Filip Forsberg there's a Poolparty. And then you get guys who land in the middle like Eberle, and Hodgson, who create legacy shoes for themselves that they can't ever fill.
The WJC is what it is, a snapshot vs. one's top peers at a given point in time. People put entirely too much weight on it. It's unfortunate because in a lot of ways it's the best competition one is going to face so the temptation to use it as a be-all end-all evaluation is there, but there are so many extenuating circumstances that it's pretty rough to draw any real conclusions. A guy like Stutzle tears it up--but he's also a men-league ready stud playing 30 minutes a game with other good players as a focal point of his team's offense. Byfield doesn't offensively explode--but he's getting nearly single digit minutes in a literal checking role with different linemates every game, and no one would say he's NHL ready. Turcotte does fantastic--but gets next to no PP time to get his offensive stats up, so his numbers don't jump off the page (unless you dig into advanced stats, then...wow). A lot of these guys are asked to do things they won't be asked to do anywhere else--you think Tomasino is going to be a checking line specialist? Beniers a PK specialist? Is Braden Schneider being groomed as a 6D?
I get having high expectations going in for our players, especially for a 2nd OA pick. But context is vital and so many people just flat-out ignore it.
I genuinely did not believe my post had anything to do with Byfield as prospect. I'm very sorry it came across that way. My intent was not to reference or even allude to Byfield as a prospect. It was more toward what I perceived as dismissal of Yannick's work at the time. Obviously as you just said people enjoyed his work, so my perception of the situation at the time was clearly not accurate. That does happen reading on the internet. From time to time the tone of posts can be incorrectly interpreted as I must have done.
I really did not think I've been unfair/rude in the times I've returned. I do like Stuetzle, I always will I'm a fan of him, but I don't think I have said anything negative about Byfield's value as a prospect. I guess I said he isn't Malkin which could be viewed negatively, but virtually no prospects are Malkin. Mackinnon is elite, but he isn't Malkin. Draisaitl is elite, but he isn't Malkin. Generational players are rare. I really did not think I was throwing a punch by saying that. Byfield will be a great NHL player. I really believed my posts have been supportive of him and also supportive of Stuetzle. Support for them as players is not mutually exclusive. I can be supportive of one AND the other.
Edit: I did just search it and there ARE negative posts discrediting Yannick. So you are not only very rude, but wrong. I don't have any intention of posting to you're board again. Thanks for that really nice post though.
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Ziggy Stardust
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Didn’t you want the Kings to draft Bogosian over Doughty because of his physique? You’d think that experience would be a learning moment.
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Raccoon Jesus
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Stop with the act.
You're still the same dude that has been chastising this whole forum the entire draft process, finally saying that you were glad stutzle went to an organization that will appreciate him.
You don't get to waltz in here, call everyone liars, show off WHILE ACKNOWLEDGING YOURE COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC that one reviewer had byfield low and because that guy got hired by an organization that confirms/validates your shitty thoughts of him. What's the point of that? You either didn't think before you posted, or you did and posted anyway. Either way, it's bad.
I'm not accepting your apology, and I don't for one second feel bad about my post. you're NOT supportive of both players, maybe in your head you are, but in your posts, you're repeatedly agenda-driven and only here for one reason. I don't care anymore if it's an act, just lost in translation, or you have a communication issue, because it's a repetitive problem. And you're clearly only here for negative purposes. I don't say this often, but you literally do not contribute one positive thing to this Kings forum. Your random drivebys are no longer welcome here because you've demonstrated there's only one subject you care about and he has nothing to do with the LAK anymore. Bye for the third time, stick to it. Thanks.
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Raccoon Jesus
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I've said it before, but his coach before Sudbury was pointing out that he started playing a little hunched over and less physical because he'd literally take a penalty every time he hit someone.
I think it will be to his benefit to be playing against men/pros that are not only more his size, but have the desire and ability to kill him every shift. He'll have to be physically engaged every shift, instead of selective like we saw even in the WJC. And even if he doesn't become a banger, you can still be 'physical' playing like Kopitar and Blake Wheeler.
King'sPawn
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View media item 8271This post doesn't really pertain to Byfield as a prospect, but do you guys remember anyone talking about Draft Dynasty's prospect videos on youtube? Predraft a lot of amateur scouts were quoted and shared, but Draft Dynasty was discredited here because he ranked Byfield 6th. I thought it was super interesting because I was super impressed with his stuff. Ultimately the point is he just got a job as an NHL scout. So I guess an NHL team was also impressed with his work
I didn't watch much of his work, but was grossly unimpressed with the hype he was getting.
If you want a quality analyst and talent evaluator, go with Scouching (Will Scouch).
Jericho111091
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Peasy
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This guy also ranked Seth Jarvis 4th.View media item 8271This post doesn't really pertain to Byfield as a prospect, but do you guys remember anyone talking about Draft Dynasty's prospect videos on youtube? Predraft a lot of amateur scouts were quoted and shared, but Draft Dynasty was discredited here because he ranked Byfield 6th. I thought it was super interesting because I was super impressed with his stuff. Ultimately the point is he just got a job as an NHL scout. So I guess an NHL team was also impressed with his work
Axl Rhoadz
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This argument is sooo stupid, seriously. NONE of us knows shit and this argument will take probably at least 5 years to be put to bed. These kids are f***ing 18-years old, people!
Looking back I regret supporting the Byfield decision.
Kings have Vilardi and Turcotte as potential star centers. Who knows what becomes of Kupari, Madden, JAD, Thomas, and Dudas but they all play center also. That’s 7 centers.
Stutzle plays center and wing. Kings have only one dynamic wing in the cupboard and that’s Kayilev. Stutzle could have stepped in now and played wing with Vilardi-Frk or Lizotte-Carter.
After Kopitar retires, Kings were already set with Vilardi and Turcotte as 1-2 down the middle. Likely Kupari moves to the wing and JAD or Madden becomes a 3C and let’s assume Thomas or Dudas as 4C.
Kings have Vilardi and Turcotte as potential star centers. Who knows what becomes of Kupari, Madden, JAD, Thomas, and Dudas but they all play center also. That’s 7 centers.
Stutzle plays center and wing. Kings have only one dynamic wing in the cupboard and that’s Kayilev. Stutzle could have stepped in now and played wing with Vilardi-Frk or Lizotte-Carter.
After Kopitar retires, Kings were already set with Vilardi and Turcotte as 1-2 down the middle. Likely Kupari moves to the wing and JAD or Madden becomes a 3C and let’s assume Thomas or Dudas as 4C.
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