Proposal: LAK - DET

[DapperDan]

To LA: Jake Walman

To DET: Tyler Madden or 4th 2023

Kings get an insurance LD who can eat minutes without paying out the nose for Chychrun/McCabe. If he plays well, they can re-sign him; otherwise he's gone after this season and they can pursue another LD in free agency. Detroit get some value for a pending free agent. Kind of all depends if the Wings want to bet on making a wild card spot.

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[norrisnick]

To LA: Jake Walman

To DET: Tyler Madden or 4th 2023

Kings get an insurance LD who can eat minutes without paying out the nose for Chychrun/McCabe. If he plays well, they can re-sign him; otherwise he's gone after this season and they can pursue another LD in free agency. Detroit get some value for a pending free agent. Kind of all depends if the Wings want to bet on making a wild card spot.

Wings probably want to extend Walman. Apparently he was someone Yzerman had his eyes on for years and made a point to get him included in the Leddy deal.

That and apparently the Wings took Bertuzzi off the market.

I don't see the Wings trading Seider's partner.

But... Might I interest you in one Ben Chiarot?

 

[KingsHockey24]

I thought Jake Walman was injured?

 

[DapperDan]

I thought Jake Walman was injured?

Just came back I believe

 

[norrisnick]

I thought Jake Walman was injured?

He's back. He just got dinged up a bit in that collision with um... drawing a massive blank on #16s name.... Um.... Zadorov!

 

[DapperDan]

But... Might I interest you in one Ben Chiarot?

Contract a little long but in theory his size is what the Kings are looking for. How has he played? If there's some retention....

 

[norrisnick]

Contract a little long but in theory his size is what the Kings are looking for. How has he played? If there's some retention....

In full disclosure, Chiarot is a defensive metric nightmare. He's rangy, hyper physical, but likes to send teammates hand grenades disguised as passes when he gets in trouble and is structurally outmatched against top end competition. Give him PK duties and a bottom of the lineup assignment and he's fine. Weirdly he's actually pretty good with the puck in the offensive zone, but beyond that he's like a dog chasing a car. Great if he catches it, but he doesn't always catch it. Maybe a tiny bit, but I'd hesitate to eat too much. Maybe enough to drop him to an even $4

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

To LA: Jake Walman

To DET: Tyler Madden or 4th 2023

Kings get an insurance LD who can eat minutes without paying out the nose for Chychrun/McCabe. If he plays well, they can re-sign him; otherwise he's gone after this season and they can pursue another LD in free agency. Detroit get some value for a pending free agent. Kind of all depends if the Wings want to bet on making a wild card spot.

No thanks.

Also, Madden isn't worth anything.

 

[DapperDan]

No thanks.

That's fine

Also, Madden isn't worth anything.

Wrong

 

[kilowatt]

I feel like Walman is worth a lot more than that? Like... at least a second and a decent prospect, or maybe a good prospect and a third?

To LA: Walman
To Detroit: Helge Grans or LA's 2023 2nd, Akil Thomas or Pittsburgh's 2023 3rd

Not even sure that would be enough

(This is assuming you could sign him to an extension)

 

[DapperDan]

I feel like Walman is worth a lot more than that? Like... at least a second and a decent prospect, or maybe a good prospect and a third?

To LA: Walman
To Detroit: Helge Grans or LA's 2023 2nd, Akil Thomas or Pittsburgh's 2023 3rd

Not even sure that would be enough

(This is assuming you could sign him to an extension)

That's fair. A lot was hinged on his pending UFA status but I could still be off

 

[kilowatt]

That's fair. A lot was hinged on his pending UFA status but I could still be off

Yeah. For a UFA... I don't know, I still think it'd be more than that. I guess if I'm Detroit, I'm probably doing anything I can to re-sign a guy like him.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

I thought Jake Walman was injured?

Just came back I believe

Jake Walman started the season on injured reserve but has been playing in Detroit’s lineup since the middle of November.

Walman has played in 35 games and has 5g-4a-9pts, playing just under 19 minutes a night.

Jake did miss two games during the week with a minor injury but played in Detroit’s last game against Calgary.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Blake is pretty good at giving 'fair' value for pendingUFAs if he's allowed to negotiate with them first. That's a win for everyone involved.

 

[Kurrilino]

Walman never played a full season his whole life.
Beside that, fair deal i believe.

But no for above reasons

Contract a little long but in theory his size is what the Kings are looking for. How has he played? If there's some retention....

We do not trade for 31 year old

 

[BringTheReign]

I feel like Walman is worth a lot more than that? Like... at least a second and a decent prospect, or maybe a good prospect and a third?

To LA: Walman
To Detroit: Helge Grans or LA's 2023 2nd, Akil Thomas or Pittsburgh's 2023 3rd

Not even sure that would be enough

(This is assuming you could sign him to an extension)

Yep, I’m a Kings fan and Walman is definitely worth more given how he’s played even in a small sample.

 

[MBH]

I feel like Walman is worth a lot more than that? Like... at least a second and a decent prospect, or maybe a good prospect and a third?

To LA: Walman
To Detroit: Helge Grans or LA's 2023 2nd, Akil Thomas or Pittsburgh's 2023 3rd

Not even sure that would be enough

(This is assuming you could sign him to an extension)

Walman's sample size is too small to take those numbers too seriously.
But if someone wants to pay big for Walman, I'll take it.

Give me Lias Andersson and a 2nd.

 

[DapperDan]

We do not trade for 31 year old

So by your logic we should get rid of Doughty because he's already older than that. Give it a break

 

[WingsToPick4th]

Why would wings accept a 4th round pick for their 1LD who has chemistry with Seider?

 

[johnjm22]

That's fine

Wrong

Madden has no NHL level trade value. None.

 

[Oddbob]

To LA: Jake Walman

To DET: Tyler Madden or 4th 2023

Kings get an insurance LD who can eat minutes without paying out the nose for Chychrun/McCabe. If he plays well, they can re-sign him; otherwise he's gone after this season and they can pursue another LD in free agency. Detroit get some value for a pending free agent. Kind of all depends if the Wings want to bet on making a wild card spot.

YUCK!

If we aren't getting a 2nd for him, we just keep him. Even a second isn't a must to move him, because he has been our 2nd or 3rd best defender this year.

 

[KingTech]

To LA: Jake Walman

To DET: Tyler Madden or 4th 2023

Kings get an insurance LD who can eat minutes without paying out the nose for Chychrun/McCabe. If he plays well, they can re-sign him; otherwise he's gone after this season and they can pursue another LD in free agency. Detroit get some value for a pending free agent. Kind of all depends if the Wings want to bet on making a wild card spot.

I am not familar with his game care to give me strenghts and weakness ? is he on pk?

 

[Oddbob]

Contract a little long but in theory his size is what the Kings are looking for. How has he played? If there's some retention....

He isn't outright awful, but his chosen play-style doesn't suit his skills. He skates the puck into the other end like a puck mover with great offensive skills, which are average at best, and his skillset is physical and should be stay at home defender. He also gets out of position going for hits sometime. If you can get him a partner who can read and react to his all over the map playstyle and no more than 20 minutes a night he would be a solid player. He is really only overpaid by a mil at most, but I don't think Yzerman is going to want to retain already. I suspect he is in Detroit at least through next season.

 

[Oddbob]

That's fine

Wrong

Tyler Madden is 23 years old and a former 3rd round pick. He can be fetched for futures/cond. 7th or nothing. That means he has no value. People on our board are already giving up on Zadina who is younger and was drafted higher.

 

[kilowatt]

Give me Lias Andersson and a 2nd.

I'd consider that if Blake thinks he can sign Walman to a reasonable extension. For a physical second- or third-pairing left handed defenseman, especially at 26 years old, it'd be worth it. With Fiala, the Kings' rebuild went from 0-60.

I do agree, Madden has zero trade value. A team might think they can turn him into something, but to suggest he has more value than a 5th or 6th round pick right now is just wishful thinking.

Anderson - Doughty
Walman - Durzi
Bjornfot - Roy

You could swap out Durzi for one of Clarke or Spence next season too. And if the Kings happen to land Chychrun too, all the better:

Anderson - Doughty
Chychrun - Roy
Walman - Durzi