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Trash Panda said:
Wonderful.

70pt wingers don’t return that kind of package either.
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The price has been set . Whether anyone actually meets it is another matter. No urgency to move him whatsoever; which to me has always been by far the likeliest outcome for a number of reasons . Be pretty rare that a 23 year old 1 st line pf locked into a long term sweet heart contract was dealt in general .
 
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TheKrebsCycle said:
The price has been set . Whether anyone actually meets it is another matter. No urgency to move him whatsoever; which to me has always been by far the likeliest outcome for a number of reasons . Be pretty rare that a 23 year old 1 st line pf locked into a long term sweet heart contract was dealt in general .
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I agree, it doesn’t seem to make any sense for Toronto to sell on Knies unless they are committing to a scorched earth rebuild.

Which doesn’t seem to be case at all.
 
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sd1976 said:
3 fights in 1 calendar year. Regardless of that, when he fights he fares well. And it’s not like that is the most important part of his game anyways.
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It wasn't 3 fights in 1 calendar year though...What is stopping you from understanding that?
 
I feel like a broken record, but the I think the path to a trade is:
Knies
Plus an add, up to the Col 27 first
3-5 rd pick

For
A top 7 pick.
High end prospect

San Jose
Chicago
Calgry
NYR
All make some sense.
 
Antropovsky said:
Knies is a prototypical power forward

If you dont believe Knies is a true power forward than you dont know enough about hockey.

Do a deep study on power forwards
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I literally linked video of 3 power forwards doing forward forward shit (smoking someone with a hit and dropping the gloves after) and referenced Cam Neely multiple times. I am pretty sure I even linked a Neely video but I could be wrong. Neely and Lindros are the prototypes. Matthew Knies doesn't fight like any of the 4 other Power Forwards I referenced.

Why are you people as a fanbase so ignorant of reality? Why do you need to make Matthew Knies something that he's not? He's probably good for 40 goals next season if he's healthy. Why do you people need to make him out to be the 2nd coming of Cam Neely in your minds? What do you personally get out of having it in your head that Matthew Knies is doing what Neely, Lindros, Wilson, and Cuylle have all been linked on video doing, and Knies has not been on video doing?

You're not making any sense!
 
Budz said:
I feel like a broken record, but the I think the path to a trade is:
Knies
Plus an add, up to the Col 27 first
3-5 rd pick

For
A top 7 pick.
High end prospect

San Jose
Chicago
Calgry
NYR
All make some sense.
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This isn't anywhere near what's been rumoured to be the bare minimum ask by the talking heads.
 
Carl Lindros said:
This isn't anywhere near what's been rumoured to be the bare minimum ask by the talking heads.
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The talking head in question (talks out his rear often).

There are some reasonable Maple Leafs fans out there. The whole getting a top pair D, 1rst round pick, and a top prospect is laughable.
 
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Carl Lindros said:
I literally linked video of 3 power forwards doing forward forward shit (smoking someone with a hit and dropping the gloves after) and referenced Cam Neely multiple times. I am pretty sure I even linked a Neely video but I could be wrong. Neely and Lindros are the prototypes. Matthew Knies doesn't fight like any of the 4 other Power Forwards I referenced.

Why are you people as a fanbase so ignorant of reality? Why do you need to make Matthew Knies something that he's not? He's probably good for 40 goals next season if he's healthy. Why do you people need to make him out to be the 2nd coming of Cam Neely in your minds? What do you personally get out of having it in your head that Matthew Knies is doing what Neely, Lindros, Wilson, and Cuylle have all been linked on video doing, and Knies has not been on video doing?

You're not making any sense!
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Not your main point, but just touching on this because I've seen other people say it in this thread but, why do people assume 40 goals for him? He hasn't shown the ability to be close to that, both in terms of actual production AND inclination to shoot enough to reach those totals.

The last two seasons he's registered 152 and 140 shots on net, respectively. No chance in hell he's near 40 goals if he's only generating that few shots. Not unless he has a fluke year where he shoots like over 25%.

Knies has never struck me as a pure goal scorer. He just seems like the type who could be in the 30 goal range in a good year, but not some sort of elite goal scorer who can hit 40. At least not without almost doubling the amount of shots he takes.
 
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Carl Lindros said:
I literally linked video of 3 power forwards doing forward forward shit (smoking someone with a hit and dropping the gloves after) and referenced Cam Neely multiple times. I am pretty sure I even linked a Neely video but I could be wrong. Neely and Lindros are the prototypes. Matthew Knies doesn't fight like any of the 4 other Power Forwards I referenced.

Why are you people as a fanbase so ignorant of reality? Why do you need to make Matthew Knies something that he's not? He's probably good for 40 goals next season if he's healthy. Why do you people need to make him out to be the 2nd coming of Cam Neely in your minds? What do you personally get out of having it in your head that Matthew Knies is doing what Neely, Lindros, Wilson, and Cuylle have all been linked on video doing, and Knies has not been on video doing?

You're not making any sense!
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You mean you listed 5'11 199lbs players to try and make a comparison?

Would Shanahan be Shanahan if he was 5'11 199lbs instead of 6'3 220?

Tucker and gilmour would have been called power forwards if they were 6'3 instead of 5'10-5'11. But I dont remember anyone grouping them with Shanahan, Tkachuk etc.

Again, your wildly all over the place and if you need convincing that Knies is a prototypical power forward then you either have never watched Knies play or dont know enough about hockey.
 
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Sidney the Kidney said:
Not your main point, but just touching on this because I've seen other people say it in this thread but, why do people assume 40 goals for him? He hasn't shown the ability to be close to that, both in terms of actual production AND inclination to shoot enough to reach those totals.

The last two seasons he's registered 152 and 140 shots on net, respectively. No chance in hell he's near 40 goals if he's only generating that few shots. Not unless he has a fluke year where he shoots like over 25%.

Knies has never struck me as a pure goal scorer. He just seems like the type who could be in the 30 goal range in a good year, but not some sort of elite goal scorer who can hit 40. At least not without almost doubling the amount of shots he takes.
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I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was soooooo injured last year that we'll see him skate harder more often next season, play harder, and give a better effort consistently. A lot would have to go right for him to score 40, namely Tavares and Matthews all of the sudden become shoot 2nd playmaking centers which...That's just not going to happen. McKenna is going to be passing the puck to someone, Raddysh is going to get his shots off and rebounds out. Knies would have to have 100 more shots on goal to score 40 based on last season. Which, you're right, would basically be physically impossible. Literally I think it was 103 more shots, 243 shots. He'd have led the team last year in SOG. He's just not going to get that in Toronto playing with Tavares or Matthews, you're right.

I'm just trying to give these homers an out, they're talking like he's burying players then dropping the mitts, and yet he hasn't done that once in his career. I'm talking nicely about Knies so they can't call me a "hater" and talk about "haters" because I'm trying to get through to them with video evidence that Knies doesn't fight like a typical power forward does. On top of that, he doesn't have to because he's not burying players and having to defend himself as someone lies on the ice.

The Leafs are probably thinking of trading him because, you're right, he'd need over 100 more shots to score 40 and he's not going to get it in Toronto. They (Toronto) know he's not going to play to his full potential as far as his own personal stats when he's having to play with Tavares and Matthews. There are teams that need top line wingers and someone is going to pay up for a guy who's on a good deal for a long time who if he goes to a team where he gets 200 shots on goal is a 30 goal scorer and if he gets 250 is a 40 goal scorer. Timo Meier had 269 shots and 24 goals...Knies would have scored 43.8 goals last year had he been playing in his place, theoretically. The rest of the league can see this and figure it out and someone is going to pay for it.
 
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Antropovsky said:
You mean you listed 5'11 199lbs players to try and make a comparison?
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Which of Neely, Lindros, Wilson and Cuylle is 5'11" 199?

What am I even supposed to do here with this reply? You don't even have a clue who you are talking about.

"if you need convincing that Knies is a prototypical power forward then you either have never watched Knies play or dont know enough about hockey."

I literally linked videos of 4 prototypical forwards doing power forward stuff that Knies isn't on video doing. (Which means he doesn't do it) I linked a video from 16 years ago from a play that happened over 20 years ago so clearly I know enough about hockey to recall something a prototypical power forward did over 20 years ago. I KNOW Knies isn't the same type of power forward Neely, Lindros, Wilson, and Cuylle is, that's how I am able to link videos showing them doing things Knies doesn't do. Because I actually know what I'm talking about and can pull from that knowledge going back 20+ years. I know enough about the modern game now to link videos from this past season showing the same thing, power forwards doing stuff Knies doesn't do. If Knies did it, I would have linked it, and so would you, but he doesn't so neither of us can link the game tape.

You have no clue who Cam Neely is, that's very clear.

EDIT: My mind is just blown you don't know the heights and weights of Neely, Lindros, Wilson, and Cuylle...What a casual fan thing to showcase...
 
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Budz said:
The talking head in question (talks out his rear often).

There are some reasonable Maple Leafs fans out there. The whole getting a top pair D, 1rst round pick, and a top prospect is laughable.
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And yet the talking head referenced is the one who seems to be breaking the most Leafs news.
 
TheKrebsCycle said:
The price has been set . Whether anyone actually meets it is another matter. No urgency to move him whatsoever; which to me has always been by far the likeliest outcome for a number of reasons . Be pretty rare that a 23 year old 1 st line pf locked into a long term sweet heart contract was dealt in general .
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He's not going anywhere, nor should he (especially given his contract).
 
He’s still young. If he can develop into a consistent 30 goal 70 point guy who uses his size effectively then that’s a really valuable player. The Leafs have too many finesse players who put up points but don’t like the physical play. They need more guys like this. I’d keep him as part of a new young core.
 
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