Value of: Kyle Palmeri to the Leafs at the deadline.

[Namikaze Minato]

I have no idea

Actually yeah it is
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I still dont agree with you that 25 goals is hyping Robertson up like crazy when he has scored 14, though i agree its a big jump and he clearly doesn't have it in Toronto.

But aint none of those posts "lock to be a lethal top 6" which is what was originally posted.

These posts are a lot of "I think" "I think" "I think" "potential" "aspirations" "Could" "Capable" "IF"

and one person that said "absolutely" (but not about the top 6)

Sounds like the leafs are locked into a top 6 forward for 30 goals...... well unless youre realistic and dont take the bait.

EDIT: The more i read them again, the more i realize you didnt read them at all. This doesn't help you in any way. This is just funny, one of them says more or less 'if 2 more shots go in we good, if they dont hes gone'

ANOTHER SAYS HE IS WORTHLESS

So overhyped

How does that help your position in any way lol

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Please ignore this Leafs fan. There is never any patience here, and always looking for a knee jerk reaction.

Which RW is he playing ahead of? Marner, Nylander, Domi?? Which of those guys goes to the 4th line?

Minten has all of FOUR NHL games... put up some points, but shelled in possession.. he has earned more games, and should get them before the Leafs make a decision on what to do....but with that patience, is the possibility that he isn't fully ready, and the knee jerk reaction crew went out and obtained a RW that isn't really needed, when we actually do need a 3C....

If he were acquired then you put him on LW because there is Knies and not much else on LW especially with McMann out, but even with McMann healthy LW isn't the strongest.

OR if he MUST play RW which is not a thing, if you can play RW you can play LW.

But if he did stay on RW then you swap Nylander to LW.

So you either go

RW
Marner
Nylander
Domi

LW
Knies
Palmeri
McMann

Or you go

RW
Marner
Domi
Palmeri

LW
Nylander
Knies
McMann

OR option 3

RW
Marner
Nylander
McMann

LW
Knies
Domi
Palmeri


Finding a spot for Palmeri would be incredibly easy you just don't see it because you didn't take the 5 seconds to think about before you posted your response.

If you can play RW you can play LW

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

Please ignore this Leafs fan. There is never any patience here, and always looking for a knee jerk reaction.

Which RW is he playing ahead of? Marner, Nylander, Domi?? Which of those guys goes to the 4th line?

Minten has all of FOUR NHL games... put up some points, but shelled in possession.. he has earned more games, and should get them before the Leafs make a decision on what to do....but with that patience, is the possibility that he isn't fully ready, and the knee jerk reaction crew went out and obtained a RW that isn't really needed, when we actually do need a 3C....

One thing I will say about Minten possibly being the 3C for the Leafs. Berube won a cup with a similar style rookie 3C in Robert Thomas. He sheltered his minutes carefully. While I still think they look for a center I could see them shifting to a heavy forechecking type winger that can score a bit 5V5 for the third line.

 

[Sticksandsun]

I still dont agree with you that 25 goals is hyping Robertson up like crazy when he has scored 14, though i agree its a big jump and he clearly doesn't have it in Toronto.

But aint none of those posts "lock to be a lethal top 6" which is what was originally posted.

These posts are a lot of "I think" "I think" "I think" "potential" "aspirations" "Could" "Capable" "IF"

and one person that said "absolutely" (but not about the top 6)

Sounds like the leafs are locked into a top 6 forward for 30 goals...... well unless youre realistic and dont take the bait.

EDIT: The more i read them again, the more i realize you didnt read them at all. This doesn't help you in any way. This is just funny, one of them says more or less 'if 2 more shots go in we good, if they dont hes gone'

ANOTHER SAYS HE IS WORTHLESS

So overhyped

How does that help your position in any way lol

You asked and they delivered.
So you just say sorry I was wrong, it's all good.

 

[Fogelhund]

If he were acquired then you put him on LW because there is Knies and not much else on LW especially with McMann out, but even with McMann healthy LW isn't the strongest.

OR if he MUST play RW which is not a thing, if you can play RW you can play LW.

But if he did stay on RW then you swap Nylander to LW.

So you either go

RW
Marner
Nylander
Domi

LW
Knies
Palmeri
McMann

Or you go

RW
Marner
Domi
Palmeri

LW
Nylander
Knies
McMann

OR option 3

RW
Marner
Nylander
McMann

LW
Knies
Domi
Palmeri


Finding a spot for Palmeri would be incredibly easy you just don't see it because you didn't take the 5 seconds to think about before you posted your response.

If you can play RW you can play LW

McMann is injured... he won't be out for long... and then you have Knies, Pacioretty and McMann on the left side... when everyone is healthy. and on the right Nylander, Marner and Domi....

Did you forget Pacioretty exists?

Obtaining a top nine winger just isn't a need, unless someone has a season ending injury.

Plus, it's incredibly premature to say, let's go get a winger.... like ridiculous.

 

[Fogelhund]

One thing I will say about Minten possibly being the 3C for the Leafs. Berube won a cup with a similar style rookie 3C in Robert Thomas. He sheltered his minutes carefully. While I still think they look for a center I could see them shifting to a heavy forechecking type winger that can score a bit 5V5 for the third line.

I don't really see a need for a top 9 winger right now.. assuming everyone gets healthy. Knies, Marner, Nylander, Pacioretty, Domi, McMann are our top wingers... and I don't see making changes to that... assuming everyone is healthy.. which maybe is a question mark for Patches, but there are quite a few months to sort that out.

I'd go out and get a guy like you speak of for the 4th line RW though... Mathieu Olivier, Kastelic types for example... and do exactly what you are talking about... a heavy line to wear down the opposition... Ideally I'd replace Kampf with McBain... but I doubt you could pry him out of Utah. Lorentz-McBain-Olivier would be a nightmare checking line.

But for now, patience on Minten, and see if he can continue to be a reasonable 3C, do ok in limiting the opposition opportunities, learn the game, and pitch in a little offensively... if not, the top pickup should be a 3C.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

McMann is injured... he won't be out for long... and then you have Knies, Pacioretty and McMann on the left side... when everyone is healthy. and on the right Nylander, Marner and Domi....

Did you forget Pacioretty exists?

Obtaining a top nine winger just isn't a need, unless someone has a season ending injury.

Plus, it's incredibly premature to say, let's go get a winger.... like ridiculous.

I did not forget Patches exists I just don't trust him to stay healthy, because he hasn't done that for about 3 years.

There is a reason McMann is listed and not Patches.

McMann doesn't have near the injury history Patches does.

McMann isn't one wrong move from his career being over.

Patches is.

The 2 are not the same and I think you know that but you like to be difficult.

 

[Fogelhund]

I did not forget Patches exists I just don't trust him to stay healthy, because he hasn't done that for about 3 years.

There is a reason McMann is listed and not Patches.

McMann doesn't have near the injury history Patches does.

McMann isn't one wrong move from his career being over.

Patches is.

The 2 are not the same and I think you know that but you like to be difficult.

Patches "might" continue to have injury issues, and "might" not be 100% when he comes back. But we won't know his status for some time, and it always pays to be patient, and to not have yet another reactionary panic thread. I'm sorry you find it "difficult" when people call you out on your fairly regular panic threads, that usually are shown to be over reactions.

Even "if" Patches doesn't contribute, adding another winger might prove to NOT be the main need..and we only have limited resources to obtain pieces. Patience, I know it's hard.

 

[Magic Mittens]

Leafs are far from in cap hell. They have 22 million coming off the books in 6 months in 2 players alone. They have a bunch of prospects showing they are NHL ready and are quality players. They have found a franchise goalie in Woll, and managed to get a pretty deep team.

And if a Leafs fan is allowed to chirp any team, it is the one team they have beaten in a playoff series in the last 20+ years.

Franchise goalie??? Yikes. Think you might want to tap the brakes.

I'm a Dallas fan and I wouldn't even call Oettinger a Franchise goalie and he's got two trips to the western conference finals already at age 24

I have a hard time calling any goalie beside Vasi a franchise goalie.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Franchise goalie??? Yikes. Think you might want to tap the brakes.

I'm a Dallas fan and I wouldn't even call Oettinger a Franchise goalie and he's got two trips to the western conference finals already at age 24

I have a hard time calling any goalie beside Vasi a franchise goalie.

That is because we disagree on the meaning on franchise goalie. Sounds like you are talking about generational goalies.

Typically a franchise player is a player you can build a part of your roster around. Oettinger absolutely has been that for Dallas being the solidifying piece of goaltending no matter who else partnered with him. A franchise dman is able to basically be the guy for your defense, forwards you can build lines around etc.

Age also has little to do with it. Goalies come along at different times in their careers. Woll is just entering prime goaltending years and has shown enough for me to think he is our guy. I don't think there are more than maybe 5 goalies better than Woll in the league and none are being moved. I think with experience to prove himself he will easily be in the top 5 of goalies though

 

[seafoam]

Nelson + Palmieri for Cowan

 

[Namikaze Minato]

You asked and they delivered.
So you just say sorry I was wrong, it's all good.

Nevermind, there were posts deleted so you werent able to follow along. have a good one

 

[Sticksandsun]

They asked and i disagree with it because the evidence is opinion based and I consider that incorrect and wrong.

But its all good that you aren't capable of following that.

You asked for evidence, they supplied it.
You can't admit you're wrong though.
No worries, just funny though.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

You asked for evidence, they supplied it.
You can't admit you're wrong though.
No worries, just funny though.

Yeah the evidence of "I THINK HE CAN BE GOOD MAYBE 25 GOALS"

Great shit, einstein.

 

[Sticksandsun]

Yeah the evidence of "I THINK HE CAN BE GOOD MAYBE 25 GOALS"

Great shit, einstein.

Again, you asked for evidence of Leafs fans claiming he could be a 25 goal guy.
They supplied multiple posts.

I don't get why it's so hard for people to admit they're wrong? It's part of being an adult and self reflection.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Again, you asked for evidence of Leafs fans claiming he could be a 25 goal guy.
They supplied multiple posts.

I don't get why it's so hard for people to admit they're wrong? It's part of being an adult and self reflection.

No, i didnt ask for that.

I asked for evidence of leafs fans saying

and he’s a lock to be a lethal middle 6 forward.

And i have yet to see any evidence of that.

I also asked for evidence of "leafs fans bragging about Kampf and Holmberg"

None of that either though, eh?

You guys suck at evidence, you arent even aware of the meaning of the word

 

[Sticksandsun]

No, i didnt ask for that.

I asked for evidence of leafs fans saying

Ya my bad, I guess usernames:

Darrylsittler27
Mapleleafs979
LEAFFANFORLIFE23

aren't Leafs fans.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Ya my bad, I guess usernames:

Darrylsittler27
Mapleleafs979
LEAFFANFORLIFE23

aren't Leafs fans.

well lets check all that information and your 'evidence'. Shouldnt be hard right?

@darrylsittler27 wrote:

"Berube doesn't have the tools to play heavy but Robertson is a huge upgrad on Jarnkrok. Robertson has speed and in today's NHL you need that. Could be 25 goals this year"

Did that say he was "a lock to be a lethal middle 6 forward"?
I'll assume you can read the evidence and do the extrapolation yourself but just in case you cant:

No, he did not say he was a lock to be a lethal middle 6 forward.

@mapleleaf979

"Robertson can score 25-30 goals in the nhl but it may not be here"

hmmmmm, i'm sure youll say thats inconclusive. since the evidence is so difficult to understand

@LEAFANFORLIFE23
Is my favourite one of all, since you didnt read it, here is what he wrote:

"First of all I like Robertson, I have said for awhile now, I think he has a hell of a shot and health permitting I think hes capable of being a 25 goal scorer, so this is not a player that I hate. That being said you tried to use Data to suggest that he would have more goals and points than..."

Sounds like a guaranteed lethal middle 6 winger endorsement if ive ever seen one.



Im not gonna reply to this thread anymore, have a good day.

 

[Ciao]

There's a roster limit and a salary cap.

Every contract the Leafs bring in is at the expense of another. Many contacts can't just be cut or buried either, because they're too large to be waived without salary cap implications.

It isn't viable to change your roster like you change your underwear. Unlike pairs of underwear, it is possible to have too many player contracts. Adding this one and that one and the other one just doesn't do it for me.

I'm not terribly impressed with the push to acquire Kyle Palmieri from a guy who can't even spell his name.

 

[Zonk]

Some of the threads on here remind me of my grandchildren. I looked after two nine-year olds last week. They were each promised one toy when we went shopping. The first grandchild grabbed the first toy that she liked in the first store. We bought it. The second grandchild could not find anything he liked in the first store, so we went to another one. He was very deliberate in checking out everything that was available before finally making his decision. Meanwhile, the first grandchild wanted to buy at least a dozen alternatives, regretting her earlier decision and hoping that she could have more than one toy. She sulked that she was stuck with her decision, but I was trying to teach her the value of using limited resources wisely.

Some fans want every player that is available or might be available. Player A has been a healthy scratch? We must trade for him. Player B may not be getting along with his coach? Let's trade for him too. And on and on it goes. These fans have clearly never learned the benefits of making the best use of limited resources.

All GMs, and some fans, are more strategic and analyze what they are prepared to spend to get exactly what they need. The Leafs have few draft choices for the next two years. They have some good prospects, but they do not want to give them up. They are not going to waste limited resources on players who do not fill their greatest need.

IMO their highest need is a third line centre. Treliving said in an interview a few days ago that their top priority is someone who is good defensively. Anyone who has been paying attention knows that Treliving and Berube also value size and prefer players who play with a physical edge. It is very unlikely that they are going to spend assets on small players who are not defensively sound. However, I am pretty sure that there will continue to be a plethora of posts on this site about other players that some fans want, but that the Leafs do not need.

 

[Ciao]

@Zonk :

Yes, there will be another good used item near the end of its useful life that someone wants to bring home to the Leafs from the Used-Hockey-Players Thrift Store again soon.

We won't have to wait too long after the sun sets on this proposal for that to happen!

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

I don't really see a need for a top 9 winger right now.. assuming everyone gets healthy. Knies, Marner, Nylander, Pacioretty, Domi, McMann are our top wingers... and I don't see making changes to that... assuming everyone is healthy.. which maybe is a question mark for Patches, but there are quite a few months to sort that out.

I'd go out and get a guy like you speak of for the 4th line RW though... Mathieu Olivier, Kastelic types for example... and do exactly what you are talking about... a heavy line to wear down the opposition... Ideally I'd replace Kampf with McBain... but I doubt you could pry him out of Utah. Lorentz-McBain-Olivier would be a nightmare checking line.

But for now, patience on Minten, and see if he can continue to be a reasonable 3C, do ok in limiting the opposition opportunities, learn the game, and pitch in a little offensively... if not, the top pickup should be a 3C.

Oh I don't see a need for a top 9 winger now either I was talking about closer to the TDL. Minten getting a good run as 3 C is very possible with the injuries right now. See how he plays and Berube uses him. It also gives them time to see if Pacioretty can be a reliable healthy option. My thought is if Minten can handle the 3 C spot then the Leafs can go get a heavy forechecking type of winger that can slot in on either the 3rd line or 4th line. I am more than fine with a 4th line of Lorentz-Kampf- player X and then have Dewar and Reeves as the spare forwards. Both Robertson and Holmberg have shown that they don't fit this roster.
As for players I like for this Geekie from Boston, Armia from Montreal, Skudland from Utah, or Kunin from San Jose.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Nevermind, there were posts deleted so you werent able to follow along. have a good one

literally not true

 

[gritdash60]

Yes, 33 year old 54 point scoring forward is exactly what the Leafs need to compete.

 

[Zonk]

@Zonk :

Yes, there will be another good used item near the end of its useful life that someone wants to bring home to the Leafs from the Used-Hockey-Players Thrift Store again soon.

We won't have to wait too long after the sun sets on this proposal for that to happen!

The shopping is not limited to Thrift Stores. There is garbage available in "Free Stuff" on Kijiji, (e.g. Elvis Merzļikins), that a poster wanted to trade assets for.