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Kyle Dubas in Pittsburgh

Grade Kyle Dubas as our GM

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Our board just bitches. Everyone complained about the bottom 6 from this time last year through the whole season. Dubas goes out and signs legitimate bottom 6ers to short term deals (aka not 6 years for Wood or 7 years for Engvall or going after Reaves) and people don’t like it. I say that as someone that didn’t like bringing in Eller.

In terms of the top of the line up, Smith for a 3rd is a nice piece of business. Graves getting 4.5 is pretty decent cap hit when Dumo, Soucy, Clifton are getting 3M+

If you want to give him a C because you don’t like Jarry’s term I think that’s fair and you’re entitled to it, but I see the “Fs” and complaining and think he could’ve traded for Vasilesky and people would still be unhappy.
 
Our board just bitches. Everyone complained about the bottom 6 from this time last year through the whole season. Dubas goes out and signs legitimate bottom 6ers to short term deals (aka not 6 years for Wood or 7 years for Engvall or going after Reaves) and people don’t like it. I say that as someone that didn’t like bringing in Eller.

In terms of the top of the line up, Smith for a 3rd is a nice piece of business. Graves getting 4.5 is pretty decent cap hit when Dumo, Soucy, Clifton are getting 3M+

If you want to give him a C because you don’t like Jarry’s term I think that’s fair and you’re entitled to it, but I see the “Fs” and complaining and think he could’ve traded for Vasilesky and people would still be unhappy.
Sorry, when is he going to do this?

I gave him an F because he went out and over spent on July 1st without making the team materially better. You could even make an argument that bottom 6 is worse from a production perspective.

Unfortunately I’m starting to agree with others that Mike Sullivan has a lot of influence on the teams make up. Dubas built the team to match Sullys game plan of two 4th lines and relying on aging superstars.

Maybe he makes more moves but at this time his performance is very Hextall.
 
Since A is not an option for me until he's been here for one year...
Two big point drop moves,
SULLIVAN still here and more involvement than just coaching.
JARRY cost+term fail. F all day long. Who does terrible at their job and gets a raise and promotion? Well, besides weather wo/men .

Don't care about any other signings... most are routine common sense.

C-
 
Our board just bitches. Everyone complained about the bottom 6 from this time last year through the whole season. Dubas goes out and signs legitimate bottom 6ers to short term deals (aka not 6 years for Wood or 7 years for Engvall or going after Reaves) and people don’t like it. I say that as someone that didn’t like bringing in Eller.

In terms of the top of the line up, Smith for a 3rd is a nice piece of business. Graves getting 4.5 is pretty decent cap hit when Dumo, Soucy, Clifton are getting 3M+

If you want to give him a C because you don’t like Jarry’s term I think that’s fair and you’re entitled to it, but I see the “Fs” and complaining and think he could’ve traded for Vasilesky and people would still be unhappy.

Well some of the board yes... I think you would put me in that category, but I have logic to back up my case for reality.

You are correct, people hammered the bottom 6 because of their lack of performance. But where I deviate from the mob is that the bottom 6 was a symptom of the real problem with the franchise.

Here are the issues that a real GM with foresight would need to resolve moving forward.

1). Terrible asset management. Overpay, Undersell, Undervalue

2). Roster construction: My gosh, yes the bottom 6 was awful last year, but want to know why the Pens missed the playoffs? Their stars have aged into a Phil Kessel style of protection first. I don't blame them, they should. But if this team is going to be successful, you better surround them with players that are preferably young, gritty and constantly playing with an edge. The fact that they are once again stacking the bottom 6 with more vets will lead to an even more horrific collapse next season.

3). Allowing an overrated coach run roughshod over the organization. A coach who has had a huge hand with the creating the first two problems listed above. A coach who thought he reinvented the sport when in all actuality, the organization stumbled into catching the rest of the league flat footed in 16 & 17. Remove that 18 month stretch out of sullys resume, he's a below average coach... or average at best.

I keep waiting for a GM to act boldly and change the status quo. Dubas has simply given his version of more of the same. There is currently no hope for this franchise and I'm ok with that. But what disgusts me based on the current direction, it will be at least another 5 years before they get started with having a plan to compete once again.
 
I give him a B so far.

Upgraded the LD with Graves.

I think the bottom 6 will be better.

Smith trade was solid a 3rd for 2 years which fits us well.


I would like to see 1 more impact player. I really do like the idea of getting EK but only if the cost is right.
 
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I give him a B so far.

Upgraded the LD with Graves.

I think the bottom 6 will be better.

Smith trade was solid a 3rd for 2 years which fits us well.


I would like to see 1 more impact player. I really do like the idea of getting EK but only if the cost is right.
Thoughts on the Jarry extension or signing Lars Eller as your 3C? Would those moves lower your ratings to a C?
 
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Thoughts on the Jarry extension or signing Lars Eller as your 3C? Would those moves lower your ratings to a C?
I think that there was a lack of options and the only option I wanted was an extended Hellybuck.

So I really can't fault him on the Jarry extension. Just neutral to it.

Lars Eller I am unsure about. I think he can be that 3C that perhaps doesn't bleed goals for us. Unsure though until I can watch him Play hockey for a couple months Black and Gold.

2 years at 2.5 million is a cheap option and unfortunately with what we had it had to be a cheap option.
 
High marks in PK and even-strength defense in the bottom 6, and can play Center. We were weak at both the things he excels at.
This shouldn't confuse anyone here who watched the bulk of the games.

My problem with this is more that he should be a quality 4C at this stage in his career, and we're about to use him as a 3C. Acciari's not good enough to be a reliable 3C.
Then again, would it have been wise to dish out 5.1M x 5 for Compher, a guy that's eclipsed 33 points once and would get Sullivan usage? What would he get, like 10 points more than Eller, and be worse defensively and on the PK? Is that worth it for 2.6M more per year, while being committed to 5 years?
Really glad we avoided the Compher deal. I just don't know where he fits in a lineup. Like a Jordan Staal elite 3C? MAYBE. And elite is probably going wayy too far. I don't see the skill to be a 2C though.
I don't even think he needs to land EK. Dubas just has to work something out that gets rid of one or two problems on the roster, and he has time to do that. That said, if he doesn't do anything, he hasn't really had any better of an off-season than Hextall's last year-- some improvements here and there, but we also thought Hextall had a pretty okay offseason last season too.
I mean we all wanted to believe what Hex did was fine but.. yikes it was bad. Again we're down to maybe two years to go all in. I'd love to add a big time winger but at the same time having EK and Letang on the ice for 45 mins? I'm down for that. That significantly improves our transition offense. And helps what little offense we do have in the bottom 6. Can nab a winger at the deadline if we are a playoff team. (which I do believe in, still.. esp with EK). Its a two birds, one stone for me. I couldn't be less impressed with Petry. He's going to be a declining asset REAL soon. Anything else we can get rid of (please Granlund) would be incredible.
 
B- for me. I've mostly liked his moves and the team is slightly improved. But it's not enough to move the needle in a meaningful way. I'll move it up to an A if he manages to land Karlsson.
 
Well some of the board yes... I think you would put me in that category, but I have logic to back up my case for reality.

You are correct, people hammered the bottom 6 because of their lack of performance. But where I deviate from the mob is that the bottom 6 was a symptom of the real problem with the franchise.

Here are the issues that a real GM with foresight would need to resolve moving forward.

1). Terrible asset management. Overpay, Undersell, Undervalue

2). Roster construction: My gosh, yes the bottom 6 was awful last year, but want to know why the Pens missed the playoffs? Their stars have aged into a Phil Kessel style of protection first. I don't blame them, they should. But if this team is going to be successful, you better surround them with players that are preferably young, gritty and constantly playing with an edge. The fact that they are once again stacking the bottom 6 with more vets will lead to an even more horrific collapse next season.

3). Allowing an overrated coach run roughshod over the organization. A coach who has had a huge hand with the creating the first two problems listed above.
so, your saying we should hold on to our picks?
 
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Our board just bitches. Everyone complained about the bottom 6 from this time last year through the whole season. Dubas goes out and signs legitimate bottom 6ers to short term deals (aka not 6 years for Wood or 7 years for Engvall or going after Reaves) and people don’t like it. I say that as someone that didn’t like bringing in Eller.

In terms of the top of the line up, Smith for a 3rd is a nice piece of business. Graves getting 4.5 is pretty decent cap hit when Dumo, Soucy, Clifton are getting 3M+

If you want to give him a C because you don’t like Jarry’s term I think that’s fair and you’re entitled to it, but I see the “Fs” and complaining and think he could’ve traded for Vasilesky and people would still be unhappy.

I’d take Soucy and Clifton over Graves.

What legit bottom six forwards did he sign besides Acciari? He signed an old ass for our 3C in Eller and a fringe NHLer in Nieto.

Just awful work this summer.

If he gets EK65 for Petry or Rutta and Granlund, I’ll change my tune, but I’d argue he somehow gave us a worse roster than we started the season with last season.
 
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I’d take Soucy and Clifton over Graves.

What legit bottom six forwards did he sign besides Acciari? He signed an old ass for our 3C in Eller and a fringe NHLer in Nieto.

Just awful work this summer.

If he gets EK65 for Petry or Rutta and Granlund, I’ll change my tune, but I’d argue he somehow gave us a worse roster than we started the season with last season.
Soucy and Clifton are not on Graves level when it comes to shouldering SH TOI and time against other team's top lines. Not even close
 
Soucy and Clifton are not on Graves level when it comes to shouldering SH TOI and time against other team's top lines. Not even close
Penalty killing wins cups. It’s the only thing that matters in today’s NHL. Screw respectable goaltending or any sort of depth in the bottom six. Penalty killing is the most important skill to possess in today’s NHL, at least to our crack coach and GM.
 
The Jarry extension is the only one that would "knock down" Dubas' overall grade for me. The other signings range from "meh" to "pretty good" for me, so he'd be a solid B-ish grade. The Jarry extension knocks that down to a C- currently.

We'll see what else he does.

One thing is certain. This is Mike Sullivan's team. Every signing made screams "this is what Sullivan wants in a player".
 
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I gave him a B because of the Jarry extension but in fairness his hands were a bit tied on that one. No good goalies have been moved via trade this off season so who knows if any were available or what the prices were.

The alternatives in free agency sucked.

So it's easy to see why Dubas looked at all of the options and said better the devil you know.
 
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I think that Soucy's ceiling is Ryan Graves and I don't think Ryan Graves has reached his peak yet.
At 28 years old he’s reached his peak. The only way he’s going from here is down but I think we probably got 3-4 years before that happens.
 

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