Kyle Beach
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joestevens29
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Was drafted in an era that GM's still loved the big, strong, physical/aggressive players that show some sort of offensive ability.
Michael Farkas
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He had a shot, size, and played with some sandpaper...sometimes down right angry. Not the best hockey sense or skill/creativity in space...
In The Hockey News Draft Preview, one scout used Owen Nolan and Claude Lemieux and comparisons. Another scout described Beach as a 6'3 Sean Avery.
sr edler
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Probably same reason someone like Nick Ritchie was picked 10th overall.
BigBadBruins7708
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Beach was one of the best 16 year olds I've seen in the last 25 years in the WHL and at that point looked like the next Gary Roberts or Keith Tkachuk and a year ahead of the 2008 draft looked like a surefire top-5 pick.
But he just didn't really develop after that. Disappointing draft year that still saw him get picked 11th and just flatlined for the rest of his junior career basically. Needed to improve his discipline and focus on continuing to improve his skills and in particular his skating (which was his biggest weakness) and instead he seemed more interested in engaging in Barnaby/Avery type circus antics. Left off Canada's 2019 and 2020 WJC teams as a result. Just didn't seem like the sharpest tool or the most dedicated guy even before all the other stuff happened.
But he just didn't really develop after that. Disappointing draft year that still saw him get picked 11th and just flatlined for the rest of his junior career basically. Needed to improve his discipline and focus on continuing to improve his skills and in particular his skating (which was his biggest weakness) and instead he seemed more interested in engaging in Barnaby/Avery type circus antics. Left off Canada's 2019 and 2020 WJC teams as a result. Just didn't seem like the sharpest tool or the most dedicated guy even before all the other stuff happened.
Crosby2010
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60 points in his draft year and with 222 PIM. Look, there is ALWAYS going to be a GM or 10 that will take a guy who is 6'3" and has a decent scoring touch. They figure he'll tone down the dumb penalties that got him so many minutes. You can teach that and drive that out of a player. But there were still good players picked after him. Erik Karlsson, Jordan Eberle, Tyler Myers, John Carlson was a late 1st rounder, and Cody Hodgson was 10th overall and he was a highly rated prospect. So I can see how they took a chance on him. But man, think about an already upward trending Hawks team drafting Karlsson in 2008!
He got comparisons to Ryan Getzlaf when he was drafted, who was also a hyper talented guy with great size who was kind of underperforming in the WHL in their draft year.
JackSlater
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What I remember about Beach as a prospect, not really having access to see him outside of things like the Subway Super Series, was good size, bad discipline, rumours of character issues, and bad trends in terms of progress. I actually remember Roberts (and I think Neely) thrown around as comparables when he was 16.
I dont think they would have won with Karlsson.
Impressive junior player who dominated with his physical tools.
Draft history is filled with these cases.
Draft history is filled with these cases.
Professor What
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Yeah, the Hawks couldn't have won with the guy that nearly dragged a mediocre Ottawa team to the Finals.
MarkusKetterer
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Yea they woulda been terrible with Keith, Seabrook and Karlsson on the ice for 100% of the game.
Like look at that loser team Tampa having one of Hedman, McDonagh and Sergachev on the ice 100% of the time. They didn’t win anything.
Ottawa never went to the finals with Karlsson.
Every player you listed is better than Karlsson.
MarkusKetterer
Shoulda got one game in
Ok and? You can’t be so daft that having Karlsson in addition to any of those D corps would mean the team lost.
Professor What
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You need to reread what I said, because I never said they did. I said he nearly dragged them there, which is true since they were a double overtime goal in game seven away in 2017.
McGarnagle
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The lingering hypothetical question no one can ever answer is was he going to bust and not make it regardless of what happened to him or was the trauma and the organization's lack of support a contributing factor to him plateauing as a prospect?
MarkusNaslund19
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He was big and had some skill, was like a bull in a china shop.
He was also mean and sort of unhinged, and at first that was seen as a good thing. Like that sort of Todd Bertuzzi, if the wires cross... type of thing that scouts thought would buy him extra space out there.
If I recall correctly, he had concussion issues that had GMs wondering how long he could play that way.
The Canucks were rumored to go for either him or Hodgson at 10th in 08 and I was desperately hoping we would avoid Beach as, to me, his profile just screamed bust. It was all physical tools and fear creating, and not much in the hockey sense department.
He was also mean and sort of unhinged, and at first that was seen as a good thing. Like that sort of Todd Bertuzzi, if the wires cross... type of thing that scouts thought would buy him extra space out there.
If I recall correctly, he had concussion issues that had GMs wondering how long he could play that way.
The Canucks were rumored to go for either him or Hodgson at 10th in 08 and I was desperately hoping we would avoid Beach as, to me, his profile just screamed bust. It was all physical tools and fear creating, and not much in the hockey sense department.
Crosby2010
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I'm not following here. Karlsson won the Norris in 2012 and 2015. How is a franchise not better having him? That Senators team nearly beat a Pens team that won back to back and there was no earthly way that Sens team should have been in the same ballpark. Basically at this time it was Keith and Karlsson winning the Norrises. How do two perennial Norris winners not make them even better? Kyle Beach never even played, so how does Karlsson make them worse? Putting aside some of his defensive struggles, that is already factored in, but he has a ton of help.
Bear of Bad News
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At the time, I recall he was viewed as a potential prototype to be a guy like Wilson and was highly regarded, but also had a reputation for being difficult to control and prone to immature acts and running his mouth a bit too much I recall him causing shit in a game when he mocked Lucic calling him Quasimodo that started a brawl or something to that ilk , just didnt work out for him, .....also that whole um *clears throat* THAT thing which we dont speak about with a certain POS didnt help matter much either.
