Value of: Kuzmenko + Schenn to TBL

[innitfam]

Kuzmenko is a great player and does well playing with other talented players. On pace for a ~75 point year on a bad team (albeit, one who scores a lot)

Schenn is a rock solid defenseman who plays a simple game, makes few mistakes and is physical. He played with TBL for both Cup runs so he should fit like a glove.

I don't know if TBL has the desire to load up for another run, but these 2 are cheap as shit cap wise, and would add another offensive weapon and a steady dman to an already good team.

What would TB be willing to offer? Vancouver can take a contract back for cap - maybe Namestnikov or Myers? But the value coming back would be picks and or prospects.

2024 2nd (becomes 2025 1st if TB advances to 2023 SCF)
2023 3rd (becomes 2024 2nd if TB advances advances to 2023 SCF)
Thompson/Schmidt
Foote/Perbix
contract

edit: for value

edit: So clearly the above proposal is not good enough for both players.


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2024 2nd (becomes 2025 1st if TB advances to 2023 SCF)
2023 3rd (if TB advances to 2023 ECF)
Foote
Thompson/Schmidt

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[Mrfenn92]

Think Vancouver can get more for both

 

[Cogburn]

Thompson/Schmidt and a second that isn't even this year for a top four D on our team and a near PPG player?

That is a very easy pass for the Canucks.

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

Not in the ballpark for Vancouver

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

That offer blows for Van

 

[innitfam]

Thompson/Schmidt and a second that isn't even this year for a top four D on our team and a near PPG player?

That is a very easy pass for the Canucks.

Basically as soon as I posted I realized its pretty light on the return. I've updated it.

 

[Cancuks]

I'd ask for Cernak. Tampa needs to make some moves to avoid cap problems next season and I think Cernak gets moved.

 

[Dr Awesome]

I would imagine Kuzmenko will garner a pretty nice return on his own.

you might be able to get Schenn for 2nd depending on demand. If that’s all he cost I would hope the oilers would be on that

 

[Luck 6]

How is this good? Many seem to think we can get a 2nd for Schenn… He’s playing like a top 4 RHD, and is only making 800k. Then you have Kuzmenko, a 1W just under PPG and also signed at less than a million. We should be able to get a 1st and a decent prospect.

 

[Chainshot]

I would imagine Kuzmenko will garner a pretty nice return on his own.

you might be able to get Schenn for 2nd depending on demand. If that’s all he cost I would hope the oilers would be on that

I agree on Schenn but Allvin has to be sitting there thinking he can make a contender blink to get what Chiarot brought back last season closer to the deadline.

 

[Canucks LB]

That will get you even one of those players

 

[Sky04]

I'd ask for Cernak. Tampa needs to make some moves to avoid cap problems next season and I think Cernak gets moved.

Nope.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

Just not a good fit here.

 

[Cogburn]

Basically as soon as I posted I realized its pretty light on the return. I've updated it.

And the update is only slightly less insulting.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Awful for Vancouver man.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Kuz is a pending ufa who has said he will go ufa so don't think u get as much as u should there. Schenn is a 3 ld. Not sure he gets much either. Ppl bring up Florida but that was last year. Irrelevant to schenn

How bout Kuzmenko to Winnipeg for Heinola or Dillon

Take your pick. I'd do ville for Kuzmenko

 

[vancityluongo]

need at least the return for hagel for kuz (extra year is irrelevant cause kuz is significantly better) and the chiarot return for schenn.

no reason to help tampa out. send them to boston/florida/toronto if tampa doesn't want to pay.

canucks should look to re-sign kuzmenko if they don't get a mammoth deadline offer.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Kuzmenko is a great player and does well playing with other talented players. On pace for a ~75 point year on a bad team (albeit, one who scores a lot)

Schenn is a rock solid defenseman who plays a simple game, makes few mistakes and is physical. He played with TBL for both Cup runs so he should fit like a glove.

I don't know if TBL has the desire to load up for another run, but these 2 are cheap as shit cap wise, and would add another offensive weapon and a steady dman to an already good team.

What would TB be willing to offer? Vancouver can take a contract back for cap - maybe Namestnikov or Myers? But the value coming back would be picks and or prospects.

2024 2nd (becomes 2025 1st if TB advances to 2023 SCF)
2023 3rd (becomes 2024 2nd if TB advances advances to 2023 SCF)
Thompson/Schmidt
Foote/Perbix
contract

edit: for value

Tampa doesn't have what Vancouver wants for either player. Unless they are selling super low. Basically if Allvin becomes Benning 2.0, Tampa isn't what he'll be looking.

Also Perbix is a no go. Like not a chance.

 

[innitfam]

Kuz is a pending ufa who has said he will go ufa so don't think u get as much as u should there. Schenn is a 3 ld. Not sure he gets much either. Ppl bring up Florida but that was last year. Irrelevant to schenn

How bout Kuzmenko to Winnipeg for Heinola or Dillon

Take your pick. I'd do ville for Kuzmenko

No thanks to Dillon.

need at least the return for hagel for kuz (extra year is irrelevant cause kuz is significantly better) and the chiarot return for schenn.

no reason to help tampa out. send them to boston/florida/toronto if tampa doesn't want to pay.

canucks should look to re-sign kuzmenko if they don't get a mammoth deadline offer.

Hagel or Colton I would love to get back. Obviousy my proposal is lacking.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

need at least the return for hagel for kuz (extra year is irrelevant cause kuz is significantly better) and the chiarot return for schenn.

no reason to help tampa out. send them to boston/florida/toronto if tampa doesn't want to pay.

canucks should look to re-sign kuzmenko if they don't get a mammoth deadline offer.

Wow homer glasses must be fogged up from all the snow.

EDIT: Hagel had a extra year, PLUS he's a RFA at the end of the contract.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

need at least the return for hagel for kuz (extra year is irrelevant cause kuz is significantly better) and the chiarot return for schenn.

no reason to help tampa out. send them to boston/florida/toronto if tampa doesn't want to pay.

canucks should look to re-sign kuzmenko if they don't get a mammoth deadline offer.

Kuz going ufa so lose him for nothing if you not gonna pay him

Schenn ain't getting a 1st.

 

[vancityluongo]

Kuz going ufa so lose him for nothing if you not gonna pay him

Schenn ain't getting a 1st.

ok - some team with cap space can sign him for $7m+ in the offseason while tampa watches. hagel is a fun comparison because him and kuzmenko have very similar stats this year. even though hagel had two years of term, he wasn't yet scoring at the pace he is now while on chicago.

something like schenn + 4th for a 1st would be a great move for tampa. dirt cheap minute munching defenseman don't grow on trees. brisebois is one of the only gm's in the league smart enough to understand the value of going all-in with a killer core. a pick in the 30's just doesn't matter when you have kucherov/point/hedman/stamkos/vasilevsky in their prime. especially if you can re-coup one between 90-110.

there's a fit here, and probably moreso from the tampa side than the vancouver side. the canucks are probably too stupid to do this trade and would rather chase some high pedigree bust or walk these guys to ufa by keeping them to finish 10th instead of 12th. but tampa is probably one of the only teams that recognizes the real value proposition these two could offer for a cup run.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

ok - some team with cap space can sign him for $7m+ in the offseason while tampa watches. hagel is a fun comparison because him and kuzmenko have very similar stats this year. even though hagel had two years of term, he wasn't yet scoring at the pace he is now while on chicago.

something like schenn + 4th for a 1st would be a great move for tampa. dirt cheap minute munching defenseman don't grow on trees. brisebois is one of the only gm's in the league smart enough to understand the value of going all-in with a killer core. a pick in the 30's just doesn't matter when you have kucherov/point/hedman/stamkos/vasilevsky in their prime. especially if you can re-coup one between 90-110.

there's a fit here, and probably moreso from the tampa side than the vancouver side. the canucks are probably too stupid to do this trade and would rather chase some high pedigree bust or walk these guys to ufa by keeping them to finish 10th instead of 12th. but tampa is probably one of the only teams that recognizes the real value proposition these two could offer for a cup run.

Its not about the extra year only for Hagel. You just dance around the fact that Hagel is younger and is a RFA at the end of his contract after NEXT season. Like stop comparing the two because they aren't comparable aside from production.

 

[Cogburn]

Kuz is a pending ufa who has said he will go ufa so don't think u get as much as u should there. Schenn is a 3 ld. Not sure he gets much either. Ppl bring up Florida but that was last year. Irrelevant to schenn

How bout Kuzmenko to Winnipeg for Heinola or Dillon

Take your pick. I'd do ville for Kuzmenko

So do you have a quote from Kuzmenko, or even his agent? Or are you just completely, irreparably wrong, like where you followed up your statement calling Schenn a LD?

Also no to any of those offers from Winnipeg.

 

[vancityluongo]

Its not about the extra year only for Hagel. You just dance around the fact that Hagel is younger and is a RFA at the end of his contract after NEXT season. Like stop comparing the two because they aren't comparable aside from production.

hagel didn't produce like that when they traded for him. i clarified that the contract status for hagel is/was better, but you can't ignore that.

and tampa won that trade. they could have given up more value and still won. all i said is vancouver should ask for that price, or else look to re-sign kuzmenko, because that's the better value prop