Kucherov started off where he finished on top after being robbed of the Hart

[EmptyNetAssassin]

It is funny that 40% of his points so far are empty net points. Players 100000000% discount those when voting for the Lindsay.

That isnt even true but good luck with that. How many back to back cups did Mackinnon win? Ill wait ZERO.

 

[Romang67]

That isnt even true but good luck with that. How many back to back cups did Mackinnon win? Ill wait ZERO.

If you don't make your arguing in bad faith a bit less obvious, we're just going to go ahead and close this thread.

 

[The Panther]

Kucherov was not robbed of the Hart, obviously.

I can't take this thread seriously because of the one-sided hyperbole in the thread title.

 

[HockeyFan100]

Special thanks to the Lightning fanbase - will never go thirsty again from all the tears they've been providing since the 2022 finals.

 

[Venzio X]

Special thanks to the Lightning fanbase - will never go thirsty again from all the tears they've been providing since the 2022 finals.

Will not speak for other Lightning fans, but no tears from me. Colorado was simply better team, and deserved to win that year.

 

[Bank Shot]

Maybe they should come out with a new trophy for most empty net points. Kucherov can win that yearly.

 

[sena]

Kucherov was not robbed of the Hart, obviously.

I can't take this thread seriously because of the one-sided hyperbole in the thread title.

sure you can list a boatload of reasons Kuch should have won.
the other guys argument made by everyone.......hes a good choice cant go wrong. lol

 

[ccman68]

Nathan ”secondary” Mackinnon with 0 real points again today as his team loses another game. Kucherov carried Jonas Johansson to a positive record, but I guess it would be too much to expect from someone who isn’t even the best player on their team.

 

[The Panther]

sure you can list a boatload of reasons Kuch should have won.

Yes, and you can also list a boatload of reasons why the guy who actually won should have won. Therefore, Kucherov clearly was not "robbed".

 

[ijuka]

Sorting by points per game when he's played 2 games is pretty funny, especially since he scored 4 points in one of them.

It'd be a good idea to maybe wait a bit longer.

 

[sena]

Yes, and you can also list a boatload of reasons why the guy who actually won should have won. Therefore, Kucherov clearly was not "robbed".

no you cant. on the runup to the voting they listed how far Kuch was ahead of the rest of his team, how he is the fist winger to get to 100 assists how he won the scoring tittle.
and the other got "you can't argue with him as a choice"
It was a rob job

 

[RussianGuyovich]

kucherov good. just an eff why eye.

 

[benfranklin]

That isnt even true but good luck with that. How many back to back cups did Mackinnon win? Ill wait ZERO.

kucherov currently has as of this minute 5 points. 2 of them are empty net goals. Soooooo math guy over here 2 divided by 5 equals .4, convert that into a percentage and poof 40%.

Lol covid Cups. Theyre worth the same in the history books, but we all know they aren't equal.

And ironically, I could argue the Avs could be going for 4 this year if Nuke didnt have a drug problem. Quit on them mid series two years in a row. Pretend like the Lightning lose Stamkos those two Cup runs. See what happens.

 

[benfranklin]

no you cant. on the runup to the voting they listed how far Kuch was ahead of the rest of his team, how he is the fist winger to get to 100 assists how he won the scoring tittle.
and the other got "you can't argue with him as a choice"
It was a rob job

Why wasnt the voting closer then? The closest vote in recent years was Hall 1264 (72 first place votes) to MacKinnon 1194 (60 first place votes).

Last year was MacKinnon 1740 (137 first place votes), Kucherov 1269 (50 first place votes).

Obviously not unanimous, but that really isnt close either. And in general, find it weird this is brought up again, while Kuck is currently 6 points back from the scoring lead and 2 of his 5 points are free empty netters.

And then lastly, we all can agree these are biased moron writers, so we take the Lindsay into account, which are their piers!!!! The argument is done.

 

[Plastic Joseph]

That isnt even true but good luck with that. How many back to back cups did Mackinnon win? Ill wait ZERO.

0 non covid cups though, got dem bubble ringz erneh

 

[Matty Sundin]

Reading this read….Apparently 14 empty net points out of a 144 is half of that…

 

[Ignatius]

When was Kucherov robbed of the Hart?

I heard he forgot to lock his trophy case and someone stole his 2019 Hart trophy. Tampa Police are currently investigating, kinda like when the Montreal police investigated Zdeno Chara

 

[tfwnogf]

I do feel a little bad for Kuch for the whole 100 assist thing. Everyone was hyping McDavid being the 100 assist guy, sucking his balls for being a playmaking god and then when Kuch got 100 assists too it was like "oh congrats to him too I guess". If he was Canadian he 100% would have gotten more praise and possibly the Hart as well but Nate was only 4 points off with 50+ goals and without his captain which is pretty important to the hart voters I think.

 

[Crossfire Hurricane]

You threw this out hoping no one would double check it, didn't you?

In 232 minutes of 5v5 hockey last season with Rantanen but without MacKinnon on the ice, the Colorado Avalanche scored 8 goals. Not Rantanen. The team.

That's not only worse than with them on the ice as a duo, or with MacKinnon but without Rantanen, but that scoring rate is worse than when neither Rantanen nor MacKinnon was on the ice.

Rantanen was sneaky bad last year. No one notices because of the point totals, but Lehkonen's dad called him out early in the season for his lack of off-season work and he never really improved from there. The Avs went as far as Mackinnon and Makar (having a subpar year himself, but still excellent) could take them.

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[benfranklin]

Nathan ”secondary” Mackinnon with 0 real points again today as his team loses another game. Kucherov carried Jonas Johansson to a positive record, but I guess it would be too much to expect from someone who isn’t even the best player on their team.

Im curious what this is referencing? A different year than last year?

Below is the comparison, but going off this, I dont see the massive difference in secondary points or even a majority for MacKinnon alone earning him a nickname.

Last season:

MacKinnon
Overall Goals: 52
Overall Primary assists: 50
Overall Secondary assists: 39
Overall Primary assists + goals: 72.34%
Even Strength Goals: 41
Even Strength Primary assists: 31
Even Strength Secondary assists: 20
Even Strength Primary assists + goals: 78.26%
PP Goals: 11
PP Primary assists: 19
PP Secondary assists: 19
PP primary assists + goals: 61.22%
Empty Net Goals: 3
Empty Net Assists: 5
Empty Net points: 8
Overtime goals: 2
Attempts Blocked: 166
Missed Shots: 121
Missed wide: 93
Missed over: 13
Posts: 11
Crossbars: 2
Short: 2
Giveaways: 82
Takeaways: 42

Kucherov
Overall Goals: 42
Overall Primary assists: 57
Overall Secondary assists: 34
Overall Primary assists + goals: 74.44%
Even Strength Goals: 30
Even Strength Primary assists: 36
Even Strength Secondary assists: 19
Even Strength Primary assists + goals: 77.65%
PP Goals: 12
PP Primary assists: 21
PP Secondary assists: 15
PP primary assists + goals: 68.75%
Empty Net Goals: 7
Empty Net Assists: 7
Empty Net points: 14
Overtime goals: 1
Attempts Blocked: 177
Missed Shots: 152
Missed wide: 121
Missed over: 12
Posts: 7
Crossbars: 2
Short: 10
Giveaways: 96
Takeaways: 62


Overall Goals: MacKinnon
Overall Primary assists: Kucherov
Overall Secondary assists: Kucherov (less)
Overall Primary assists + goals: Kucherov
Even Strength Goals: MacKinnon
Even Strength Primary assists: Kucherov
Even Strength Secondary assists: MacKinnon (less)
Even Strength Primary assists + goals: MacKinnon
PP Goals: Kucherov
PP Primary assists: MacKinnon
PP Secondary assists: Tied
PP primary assists + goals: Kucherov
Empty Net Goals: MacKinnon (less)
Empty Net Assists: MacKinnon (less)
Empty Net points: MacKinnon (less)
Overtime goals: MacKinnon
Attempts Blocked: Kucherov
Missed Shots: MacKinnon (less)
Missed wide: MacKinnon (less)
Missed over: Kucherov (less)
Posts: MacKinnon
Crossbars: Tied
Short: MacKinnon
Giveaways: MacKinnon (less)
Takeaways: Kucherov