Recalled/Assigned: Kreider and Mashinter recalled to Rangers

[SixGoalieSystem]

Hm...

Pyatt - Stepan - Callahan
Kreider - Brassard - Pouliot
Miller/Fast - Boyle - Zuccarello
Mash - Moore - Dorsett

is what I would do.

Cally is still out

Go with
Richards-Stepan-Brassard
Kreider-Miller-Zuccarello
Pyatt-Boyle-Fast
Mash-Moore-Dorsett

 

[Kovalev27]

Fast should be in hartford

 

[NYR Viper]

So they have Fast, Miller and Kreider up, who will be playing top-6? Why have all of them up if one of them,most likely, will be on the 4th line?

 

[RangerBoy]

Callahan is out another 2-3 weeks. Nash could be back next week or he could be back in January. Hagelin is eligible to return next Tuesday.

 

[Raspewtin]

Hm...

Pyatt - Stepan - Callahan
Kreider - Brassard - Pouliot
Miller/Fast - Boyle - Zuccarello
Mash - Moore - Dorsett

is what I would do.

Double up on physicality with Mash and Dorsett, and sit Fast against the Flyers.

Still yet to be impressed at all with Miller in this call up.

Sit Pouliot. At least Fast has been giving a good effort every game, and when he's not scoring he's playing physical. He deserves to get a shot with better linemates. Pouliot has been getting that shot all year. Other than that, I like the lineup, for what we have.

 

[silverfish]

Ok, ready? Take two now that I've woken up a little bit and had some coffee

Richards - Stepan - Zuccarello
Kreider - Brassard - Pouliot
Pyatt - Boyle - Miller/Fast
Mash - Moore - Dorsett

 

[IAMREALITY]

Pretty sure the Kreider callup is something nobody here suspects or can even fathom.
It´s a SHOWCASE folks
Pretty obvious IMO
Not kidding

nobody...suspects... (nobody) can even fathom... pretty obvious...

That's some priceless logic you've got there... Just sayin...

 

[RangerBoy]

Don't look at Kreider as some messiah or savior. If he plays the same game he played in the AHL,he will be fine. Win a spot and go from there.

 

[KreiMeARiver*]

nobody...suspects... (nobody) can even fathom... pretty obvious...

That's some priceless logic you've got there... Just sayin...

best username ever.. Sgt. Barnes...

Dyin'.. what do you know about dyin'?

 

[silverfish]

per Gross:

Kreider - Stepan - Richards
Miller-Brassard-Pouliot,
Pyatt-Boyle-Zuccarello,
Mashinter-D. Moore-Dorsett

Pat Leonard has Fast with D. Moore and Dorsett.

I miss Sam Weinman.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

Better than Pyatt on line 1. My fingers are frozen because its 35 degrees here so if this looks like jibber ish tha why.

 

[RangerBoy]

From: @PLeonardNYDN
Sent: Oct 21, 2013 11:23a

Mashinter working his way into forward rushes. Del Zotto back with JMoore, McD & Girardi, Staal & Stralman. Falk and Hagelin extras

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[Pizza]

Panic move. I hope I'm wrong.

Doubt we will see little new from Kreider. He needs more time in the AHL. At this point, I'm shaking my head at this organization . Same old Rangers.

 

[nevesis]

Panic move. I hope I'm wrong.

Doubt we will see little new from Kreider. He needs more time in the AHL. At this point, I'm shaking my head at this organization . Same old Rangers.

Because we have zero injuries and we are just bringing Kreider up to **** with him. Exactly.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Too much to say and not enough minutes. One last time:

AV's system, like all systems is flawed but does have a track record. It works. However, it requires SPEED.

Some Rangers have basic speed, rest are too slow.
Guys like Girardi, not a particularly bad fit (though others are a better fit, because his principal job is shot blocking as part of D, and that is not radically changed in any system).

The problem is the talent and skill of our Fs, which is exacerbated w/current injuries.

The two Fs we have w/the best motors (besides injured Hags + Cally) are Miller + Kreider. Thus, it is not open to discussion, the best way to exploit the system we are using AND have a synergistic effect is to pair these 2. Miller has shown he is comfortable enough at either spot, so he is the C. Kreider was an effective C, and once it became clear he also developed a shot, we directed him to W, saying it would less responsibility for him. That may be true, but I have always maintained at C, without a board to use to restrict his skating, Kreider might be even more effective. That supplemental posture, whether or not Kreider can ultimately be another Patrick Sharp, is something that can be considered after he is settled in at W.

But we CANNOT have either of these guys w the likes of Boyle (still useful but prefer he is traded for a 2nd round pick or equiv.) or esp. Pyatt, AND AV, LISTEN UP, DON'T BE AN EXPLETIVE DELETED IDIOT, I DON'T GIVE A RAT'S RUMP IF YOU ARE THE COACH, Pyatt is not the best filler for this club on the lower 6 (Yogan and others are better options), BUT IN NO CASE CAN YOU RUIN TOP TALENT WITH THESE GUYS. LET THAT SINK IN AND GIVE IT UP!!!!

These are the lines that need to be run (if all available, since we are stuck w Richards when we should have bought him out and not incurred the risk he would turn into another Pronger on us):

1st Richards - Brassard - Nash
2nd Kreider - Miller - Callahan
3rd Hagelin - Lindberg - Fast
4th Yogan - Moore - Haley/Asham

Yogan I don't want to lose for nothing. Get value, if you want, trade him AFTER his value is established after he's played. Don't let him walk for nothing.

trade Stepan + MDZ + for Seth Jones +
Boyle get a 2nd
Dorsett looked good last year, this year COMPLETELY out of it. See if he brings a 3rd rounder.
Pouilot needs a wake up call, AHL, or trade.

Give away Pyatt, Powe, Zucarello (not enough speed for offense except as shoot out specialist and not good enough defense vs NHL size opposition), these guys give away (conditional 7th not realized), just for the added cap space.
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With Nash, Hags and Cally all injured atm, and Kristo reportedly a year away at earliest, I would consider Hrivik and St. Croix to hold the fort. Might get lucky, catch fire.

Also, while the current state of the Rangers is not the time to do it, before the end of the year, I'd give Bourque his 5-10 games cup of coffee; he may be physically crushed if he lasts that many games, but he will bust his ass and, while a lightweight, will provide speed.

But the single most important thing now about Kreider is to play him w/Miller.

And AV, STOP WITH THIS CRAZINESS ABOUT DEFLECTIONS OFF THE SCREEN.

It is an acquired skill. You see a guy and you think, wow this guy could be another Rod Carew. But then you see he can't bunt. And you are adamant that you are going to drop everything and make this guy NOW learn how to bunt. The guy could be friggin Bryce Harper, but you are going to break him.

That kind of crap, my way or the highway, should have left w/Torts.

You want a big body type to work on deflections, fine, but it's something you work on over time as a side thing in practice.

There were 3 things Kreider did during preseason: play w/Miller - looked great; do the deflections thing, not so much; and complement Pyatt and Boyle. Kreider did as he was told and met expectations. He should not brought up here to play on the 4th line, or with 4th liners.

Bern... If after 3 years you can't see that you are completely off base in every one of these types of posts...

Fast should be in hartford

Agree. He has been absolutely invisible.

 

[BroadwayBlues]

@NYRangers

#NYR practice lines: Kreider-Stepan-Richards; Pouliot-Brassard-Miller; Pyatt-Boyle-Zuccarello; Mashinter/Fast-Moore-Dorsett


If AV doesn't feel Fast is ready, why is he up here?

 

[Clown Fiesta]

@NYRangers

#NYR practice lines: Kreider-Stepan-Richards; Pouliot-Brassard-Miller; Pyatt-Boyle-Zuccarello; Mashinter/Fast-Moore-Dorsett


If AV doesn't feel Fast is ready, why is he up here?

Because he doesn't have much to work with.

 

[Pizza]

Because we have zero injuries and we are just bringing Kreider up to **** with him. Exactly.

No one is suggesting that Kreider is being messed with. It's just poor management of assets which is the Rangers stock in trade over the years. Decades really. This kid has shown very little at the NHL level. He was not close to ready a few weeks ago. What's changed? A few decent games in....the...A.

ok.

He was just beginning to find his feet down there. Again, I really hope I'm wrong. My guess is that he winds up being this generations Rick Middleton.

 

[BroadwayBlues]

Because he doesn't have much to work with.

That's not a good reason. If you want someone just to play limited minutes on the 4th line than call up Haley or put Mashinter there. Send Fast to the AHL.

 

[Beacon]

2003 - yes, this was a long time ago now, but literally half of that first round are all-stars.

Most of the players chosen in the first round after Jessiman (10 out of 18) didn't even get 150 points in the 10 years since their draft. Five of those ten players are already in Europe and not coming back.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

That's not a good reason. If you want someone just to play limited minutes on the 4th line than call up Haley or put Mashinter there. Send Fast to the AHL.

Which might happen, but they need to assess what they have right now. No saying these are the lines for Thursday.

 

[Raspewtin]

There is no GM in the NHL that wouldn't have called Kreider up in this situation. We're missing 3 top 6 forwards. There is not a single team in the NHL that can replace that depth from the minors and down below. I don't know what you guys expected.

 

[vipernsx]

I do not remember Mashinter but I'll assume he is better than Pyatt.

Sadly he's not and I don't think he'll be any better than Power either. Right now it's just a matter of shuttling to Hartford because they can't do much else outside fire the new coach.

 

[bernmeister]

Bern... If after 3 years you can't see that you are completely off base in every one of these types of posts... ....

Go for it, Gardie.
Point out what in the above post is so "completely off base".

That AV's system has a track record of success?
That it relies on speed?
That we need to make Kreider's speed part of the solution?
That the smart move is to make a speed line w/Miller at pivot and Fast/Callahan at RW?

That we should get rid of Pyatt, let alone certainly not use him w/Kreider or give Pyatt top minutes?

Feel free to discuss any OBJECTIVE basis to support your opinion disagree with my rationale.

freedom of speech /competition of ideas

 

[I Eat Crow]

Switch Pouliot and Zuccarello, and I'm actually on board with those lines given what we have.