Proposal: Krebs for Robertson

[KrakenSabresMike]

Sabres fans trying to say no to this is blinding homerism at it's finest

Ummm…you do know centers >>>>wingers in value and Robertson is not a top 6 player. He doesn’t not fit at all here and krebs was asked to play a D role. He has to put up more points but not seeing where you think Robertson hads more value?

If krebs is moved it’s a piece in a bigger trade not just to get a winger of same or lesser value

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Krebs sucks

Still think Robertson could potentially be something

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Haha.
Just the fans that know what the team is trying to do. Krebs fits. Robertson does not

Offensive specialists not needed.
Two way players needed

Krebs is not a 2 way player. He has no offensive ability at all. Robertson is more valuable.

 

[Zman5778]

Robertson would not be playing on our new checking line.Krebs can fit in there and can move up as well.I like Robertson but he isn't beating out Peterka Tuch Qinnn or Benson as wingers

I never said he'd be on the checking line. I said he'd be competing with NAK for the last forward SPOT.

If we traded for Robertson....and he made the team, he'd play in the top 9 while Greenway likely gets bumped to the bottom line.

 

[Zman5778]

Sabres fans trying to say no to this is blinding homerism at it's finest

TML fans acting like this is a no-brainer is homerism at it's finest.

 

[Irie]

Sabres fans trying to say no to this is blinding homerism at it's finest

Value wise, sure. Sabres would be getting decent value, but Buffalo is bursting with undersized wingers. What Buffalo doesn't have a lot of is young players with tenacity that play with a physical edge. Buffalo also is not short on assets, so making this trade just because the value is good isn't really a huge incentive.

Personally I would rather hold onto a Krebs and see if he develops into a good two way player that can play the pest role and get under the oppositions skin. I think he will be a late bloomer but will eventually get there.

And if Buffalo didn't have ten smallish wingers on the team or pushing for roster spots already, the trade would be a no-brainer, but in this case, needs outweigh value.

 

[Jacob582]

Unless Krebs has an outstanding camp, he's likely our 13th forward to start the year. If he has an outstanding camp, then it's likely Lafferty is our 13th forward.

Robertson would likely compete with Aube-Kubel for the last wing spot.

Krebs has shown defensive chops and ability at center. We don't really need an offense-mainly younger wing.

Buffalo says no to OP's proposed deal.

Why Lafferty as possible 13th forward? Why not Aube-Kubel? He cleared waivers last year and played AHL games.

 

[Jacob582]

Haha.
Just the fans that know what the team is trying to do. Krebs fits. Robertson does not

Offensive specialists not needed.
Two way players needed

Krebs fits? Where does he fit?

What's the biggest question mark for forwards next season? 2nd line winger. Does Krebs or Robertson fit better there?

And I could see Robertson winning that spot in training camp. His competition is Benson, Zucker and Greenway. None of those players outscored Robertson last season.

I know Ruff likes his 2 way players, but who knows, maybe he's looking for more scoring.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Ummm…you do know centers >>>>wingers in value and Robertson is not a top 6 player. He doesn’t not fit at all here and krebs was asked to play a D role. He has to put up more points but not seeing where you think Robertson hads more value?

If krebs is moved it’s a piece in a bigger trade not just to get a winger of same or lesser value

Except when the winger has far more potential. Is Krebs any good defensively?

 

[Old Navy Goat]

Nothing against Robertson but Buffalo would be better off using either Kulich or Rosen.

Also, there's no way Krebs is playing over Lafferty as 4C, he's more likely to play 3C with McLeod moving to W

 

[Funk21]

Basically two and a half full seasons and Krebs career hig is 26 points, Robertson scores more in his one and only full time shot at the NHL. Year younger and see more upside. I’d need more than a 4th to trade him within the division.

 

[DJN21]

Basically two and a half full seasons and Krebs career hig is 26 points, Robertson scores more in his one and only full time shot at the NHL. Year younger and see more upside. I’d need more than a 4th to trade him within the division.

It's not about points its about team fit....

 

[PettersonHughes]

Peterka, Quinn, Benson* are already pencilled in as top-6 wingers and they're all 6' or shorter... not sure why Buffalo does this.

 

[Jacob582]

Nothing against Robertson but Buffalo would be better off using either Kulich or Rosen.

Also, there's no way Krebs is playing over Lafferty as 4C, he's more likely to play 3C with McLeod moving to W

I've been thinking that it would be Lafferty that moves to wing.

 

[Funk21]

It's not about points its about team fit....

Okay Krebs don’t fit!

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Bad fit for both teams.

 

[Satanphonehome]

Basically two and a half full seasons and Krebs career hig is 26 points, Robertson scores more in his one and only full time shot at the NHL. Year younger and see more upside. I’d need more than a 4th to trade him within the division.

Little disingenuous here. They are from the same draft and born in the same year.

One has peaked at 26 points, the other at 27.

One has established himself as an NHL regular, the other has not.

I think Robertson is definitely going to score more NHL goals if he becomes a lineup regular somewhere. I think Krebs does most other things better.

I can see teams thinking the value is fair, depending on need. The Sabres certainly don’t need a Robertson type - they have 3 better versions on their roster and at least 2 more in their pipeline.

But outside of need, in a vacuum, I’ll take the bigger centre with the established defensive game over the winger with an unrealized promise of points, especially when the winger has yet to outproduce the centre at any level.

 

[T_Cage]

No from Toronto, I'd rather get a pick/prospect for Robertson and grab a Krebs-level player off the waiver wire if we need a 13F that badly than trade just for the sake of trading

I'd probably turn this down from a Buf perspective too based on lack of need, but calling Robertson a lesser asset than Krebs is a wild take.

 

[DJN21]

Okay Krebs don’t fit!

I didnt make the proposal....

 

[Djp]

Buffalo does not need Robertson and Krebs is worth more being a center

He’s been used in a 4th line role with little PP time.

I’m unsure if he will be used as a 13F replacing anyone in the top 3 lines without messing up line chemistry in case of injury and they leave the 4 th line alone or they have him compete for a 4 th line role.

 

[seanlinden]

As a Leafs fan, I'd do this deal straight up.

Krebs has seemingly found himself as a defensive-first player, but I'd bet on there being some untapped offensive potential as a theoretical 3rd line C today, and maybe #2 longer term.

Ultimately, for the Leafs to get an eventual Tavares repalcement, they're going to have to take a risk like this, and embrace that taking a young player like this, and giving him a winger like William Nylander or Mitch Marner, might be just what he needs to break out offensively.

 

[KrakenSabresMike]

No from Toronto, I'd rather get a pick/prospect for Robertson and grab a Krebs-level player off the waiver wire if we need a 13F that badly than trade just for the sake of trading

I'd probably turn this down from a Buf perspective too based on lack of need, but calling Robertson a lesser asset than Krebs is a wild take.

The insinuation that krebs is a waiver wire player is laughable - his number is are artificially deflated because he was forced into a defensive role that he willingly accepted and was quite good at for parts of two years as a young player. If he was put in a more offensive situation and his number would be equal to better than Robersons - as a center. He’s also an under 23 former first round draft pick who is still developing-you’re not getting that on the waiver right now!

 

[Fatass]

Neither is really an NHLer, so why not.

 

[seanlinden]

Little disingenuous here. They are from the same draft and born in the same year.

One has peaked at 26 points, the other at 27.

One has established himself as an NHL regular, the other has not.

I think Robertson is definitely going to score more NHL goals if he becomes a lineup regular somewhere. I think Krebs does most other things better.

I can see teams thinking the value is fair, depending on need. The Sabres certainly don’t need a Robertson type - they have 3 better versions on their roster and at least 2 more in their pipeline.

But outside of need, in a vacuum, I’ll take the bigger centre with the established defensive game over the winger with an unrealized promise of points, especially when the winger has yet to outproduce the centre at any level.

To be fair, Robertson scored 14 goals in 56 games this past year, including 13 at even strength. Overall, Robertson has scored 17 goals in 87 career games.

Krebs has had 2 1/2 full seasons in the league, and has a career high of 9 goals in 74 games. Overall, Krebs has 20 goals in 215 career games.

If we go back to their Junior days, Robertson's draft +1 yera he had 55 goals and 86 points in 46 games for the Petes. Krebs had 12 goals nad 60 points in 38 games for the Winnipeg Ice.

In the AHL, Robertson has 27 goals in 60 AHL games. Krebs has 5 goals in 25 games.

Now, you can certainly argue over fit, team needs, etc... but the suggestion that Krebs has out-produced Robertson at any level is simply wrong.

As for team needs, I don't proclaim myself to be an expert on the Buffalo Sabres, but as outsider, it would seem that this type of deal does make a bit of sense.

You've got size up front with Greenway, Tuch, McLeod, Cozens, Thompson and Malenstyn. Your top 3 centres are 6'6 220, 6'3 195, and 6'3 188. You've got guys that kind of do what Krebs does in Lafferty and NAK.

If you believe that Robertson is realistic threat to become a prototypical 2nd line scoring winger that consistently pots 20+, and maybe flirts with 30... Peyton Krebs is not all that much to give up.

At the end of the day, it should come down to each team's assessment of what Robertson/Krebs are capable of, whether they both believe they'll benefit from a change of scenery, and in the case of the Sabres, whether they think they can develop Benson, Quinn, and Robertson all at the same time.

 

[bert]

Leafs say no if it’s 1 for 1.

Rather have Krebs as a neutral fan. He would actually be a great fit for Toronto. But yeah more small skill that can only play one way that's worked out awesome in Toronto the last 8 years. The Dubas special.