Value of: Kravtsov

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Krafstov

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

That's a terrible, terrible metric to use. There is exactly 4 players from that draft that have hit 100 points. Everyone from that class is still a prospect, and 95% of them have "done nothing in the NHL"

How many points has Kravstov hit again?

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

That's a terrible, terrible metric to use. There is exactly 4 players from that draft that have hit 100 points. Everyone from that class is still a prospect, and 95% of them have "done nothing in the NHL"

25 players from his draft class have more nhl points.

 

[Vitto79]

Ottawa has a need for a top 6 Right winger and Kravtsov has the potential to be that top six RW and Kravtsov could be the guy. From my readings it seems as though he has value equal to or slightly more than Lias Andersson who was traded for a second round pick(Vegas).

Rangers fans would Tampa's 2nd(currently pick 58 as of this post) be enough?

Grieg and it’s a deal

 

[QCNords]

Guhle might get NYR to act now, NYR under NO urgency to resolve right away

but in general, we may see a NYR<>Habs deal at some point,
something involving guy(s) Gorton had acquired for NYR,
for comparable Habs prospects and/or useful vets to support NYR's surprising early season success

man IMO... Guhle is habs best prospect, futur first pairing D... Is Kravstov that good? Whats the comparable?

 

[Favin]

A former top-10 pick who looked out of place in 20-game NHL stint, scored 2 goals and 2 secondary assists as a rookie (and 3rd-to-worst xGF% in NHL), who has returned to Russia three times after being cut in US, has been demoted on two continents, has been prone to hot streaks followed by long cold spells, wasn't a regular on international duty, and is about to complete his ELC years.

He was over-drafted in 2018 following his run in 2018 KHL playoffs as an 18-year old. And he followed that with a very strong Four Nations tournament. But since then, he has not developed. Nor has he shown the consistency or maturity that teams expect from soon-to-be-22 year old prospects.

No team is offering a 30-goal winger, or 1st rounder or an A-prospect in return. Rangers had reportedly been asking for a 2nd round pick for him earlier this year, but did not find any takers.

His value today is about a 3rd or 4th round pick.

 

[Chayos]

His value is equal to his draft position until he proves us wrong? What the hell kind of logic is that? The kid is like three years removed from his draft and hasn’t cracked the lineup. He’s not worth a pick anywhere a near 9th overall pick.

Why should another team pay the price you paid when he’s so much older and looking more like he won’t reach his potential?

It’s called Berninomics. You insert a random ranger player into the value calculator and out pops his value.

the only thing missing is the Kool aid before you read the 2 page post.

 

[Narcissus]

Not being traded by the Rangers, he's part of the plan for the coming salary cap hell - unless they get an equally promising asset back that fits into the salary cap structure.

Kravtsov gets closer to RFA and then rangers get a cheap year or two, it's not like the Rangers sent him to the gulag with no win.

 

[cwede]

man IMO... Guhle is habs best prospect, futur first pairing D... Is Kravstov that good? Whats the comparable?

first off, not saying Habs do it,
just saying that's they type of offer to make NYR act soon

Gorton's FO actually called Krav the 2nd best W prospect in that draft which featured both Svech and BradyT

lotta folks wanna look at Krav's performance is his brief NA pro stints, and i understand that

but there is also what he's done in KHL



there are similar charts to below for prior seasons but not finding them (yet)

haha this one just got updated just now

 

[Favin]

first off, not saying Habs do it,
just saying that's they type of offer to make NYR act soon

Gorton's FO actually called Krav the 2nd bst W prospect inthat draft which featured both Svech and BradyT

lotta folks wanna look at Krav's performance is his brief NA pro stints, and i understand that

but there is also what he's done in KHL



there are similar charts to below for prior seasons but not finding them (yet)


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haha this one just got updated just now

In the unusual stats, using 7-game samples, posted by an anonymous Ranger fan, Kravtsov falls just behind an undrafted 26-year old, who was recently demoted to AHL.

 

[Synergy27]

I just want to clear one thing up. Kravtsov did not look out of place in his NHL stint last year. He looked quite dynamic, and most Ranger fans were excited by the fact that he “looked” like a potentially higher end offensive player than both Laf and Kakko at the time. The points didn’t really follow, but that’s been true for all of these kids given their ice time and situational play.

The Rangers are in no hurry to sell low on VK. Nothing pressing them into making a move right now.

 

[cwede]

In the unusual stats, using 7-game samples, posted by an anonymous Ranger fan, Kravtsov falls just behind an undrafted 26-year old, who was recently demoted to AHL.

yep, odd niche stat, but best i can find
there are similar comparisons, for much longer periods, but i could not find quickly, and its a work day

kinda cute how you call out the Tkachyov mention but ignore Kaprizov and Panarin
(and btw you cite the 11 game rank but call it the 7)

posters here are free to undervalue Kravtsov, real NHL GMs won't
not saying he is sure thing, but his upside is huge, and he has shown it often at all levels

I expect he gets moved for a similarly young and high-upside player, a C or LD,
to a team that also hopes to balance their pipeline, by swapping for a potential top-6 scoring wing w size

I don't think Guhle is impossible, if Habs are confident and comfortable re Romanaov, Norlinder, Fairbrother, Xhekaj, all 21 or younger, as their LD pipeline

 

[bernmeister]

Do you Rangers fans think NYR will buy at the deadline?? If so, what are the needs and do you think Kravtsov can be a good piece to dangle for a rental?

because no cap space next year, if they are smart they will not acquire outside, only add internally.

 

[bernmeister]

I just want to clear one thing up. Kravtsov did not look out of place in his NHL stint last year. He looked quite dynamic, and most Ranger fans were excited by the fact that he “looked” like a potentially higher end offensive player than both Laf and Kakko at the time. The points didn’t really follow, but that’s been true for all of these kids given their ice time and situational play.

The Rangers are in no hurry to sell low on VK. Nothing pressing them into making a move right now.

nice to have independent corroborration from someone I rarely agree with

 

[bernmeister]

For some reason I'm feeling Toffoli for Kravstov and a pick. Kravstov was a Gorton top 10 pick.

Any other consideration aside, the ? is moot b'c NY does not have cap for next yr

 

[bernmeister]

a 2nd/3rd line RW or a C. Prospects if they are close to ready. No D, and no picks if we can avoid it.

High picks are preferable as they give max flexibility cap wise nxt yr

 

[bernmeister]

A prospect struggling to find his way into the lineup is worth a 9th overall pick by default because that is where he was drafted? Do you see how ridiculous that sounds? You would see the flaws in your argument if the Rangers were going after another team’s struggling prospect and were willing to pay a pick equivalent to the pick used to draft the prospect.

Why not give up a middle first round pick for Gabe Vilardi? Or how about a fifth overall for Cody Glass?

you ignoring what I actaully said will not enable you to win this argument

 

[EdJovanovski]

first off, not saying Habs do it,
just saying that's they type of offer to make NYR act soon

Gorton's FO actually called Krav the 2nd best W prospect in that draft which featured both Svech and BradyT

lotta folks wanna look at Krav's performance is his brief NA pro stints, and i understand that

but there is also what he's done in KHL



there are similar charts to below for prior seasons but not finding them (yet)


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haha this one just got updated just now

Even in his brief NHL stint, go back and read the GDT's. He had the most 3 star votes of any Ranger in that 20 game period. There's some serious revisionist history among some Ranger fans who are salty about Krav's behavior, at the time everyone was ecstatic with his play and were saying why couldn't Kakko & Laf come in right out of the gate looking like Kravtsov

 

[Captain97]

Any other consideration aside, the ? is moot b'c NY does not have cap for next yr

I'm getting owed messaging from Rangers fans. Some say top 6 winger and some are saying picks because we can't afford the caphit beyond this year. How likely is it then Kravstov gets traded for a rental winger worth close to and early 2nd or late 1st then?

 

[bernmeister]

If the Canucks had like the 11th pick, and the Rangers had let’s say the 19th, would you trade 19+Krav for 11?

possibly yes depending on how much they like who looks to be available at 11, but more likely
Krav + later 1st and possible additional add
for
11OA + _________

 

[bernmeister]

You are just wrong but i dont expect someone as conceded as you to admit it. Time will tell.

Time will tell.
And if I was as conceited as you allege, I would correct you.

 

[bernmeister]

I'm getting owed messaging from Rangers fans. Some say top 6 winger and some are saying picks because we can't afford the caphit beyond this year. How likely is it then Kravstov gets traded for a rental winger worth close to and early 2nd or late 1st then?

Kravtsov will not be traded for a rental winger.
It is win now foolishness that likely costs in the long run.

Krav may be dealt for youth.
def not age

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Krafstov

Crapstov

 

[cwede]

Even in his brief NHL stint, go back and read the GDT's. He had the most 3 star votes of any Ranger in that 20 game period. There's some serious revisionist history among some Ranger fans who are salty about Krav's behavior, at the time everyone was ecstatic with his play and were saying why couldn't Kakko & Laf come in right out of the gate looking like Kravtsov

yeah, i wrote that line poorly, i really meant non-NYR fans just looking at 'counting stats' for his NHL and AHL

I liked how he looked last spring, and recall the comments you cited

I don't get how it disintegrated to point of him leaving,
i feel like Bread and Shesty, etc, and coaches and agent, coulda convinced him to have a little faith and patience,
even with any leftover feelings from Bobrov mis-setting expectations, or Drury playing 'bad cop' a couple seasons back,
he coulda found hope in how he played last spring, and the feel of Gallant coming in after Quinn

 

[WhoTagz]

Ottawa has a need for a top 6 Right winger and Kravtsov has the potential to be that top six RW and Kravtsov could be the guy. From my readings it seems as though he has value equal to or slightly more than Lias Andersson who was traded for a second round pick(Vegas).

Rangers fans would Tampa's 2nd(currently pick 58 as of this post) be enough?

Can't go comparing Krav to lias just for the basis of miss management.

Krav will be a legit top 6 player no doubt in my mind and he will be the player that will make his lines excell.

I would hope and pray that the Rangers find a way to mend this relationship because he wold develop if developed properly into a Buch type player exactly what they Miss.