Am glad you weighed in on this; I knew Eichel was aboard by then but the roster you posted is better than I remembered.
Didn't Eichel indicate that he wouldn't stick around if Bylsma was still coach? (not that he did anyway)
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Didn't Eichel indicate that he wouldn't stick around if Bylsma was still coach? (not that he did anyway)
Fistfullofbeer
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I could not care less about him being Francis' buddy, but how is he as a coach? He has a pretty respectable record with the Wild, but he is not going to get anyone with Kaprizov's skill level on our team.Seems like the guy almost everyone thought wa the logical choice might become the guy.
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I think we can all act really surprised when Francis annoucnes the new head coach being his good buddy Dean Evson.
The Marquis
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Good regular season, terrible playoffs. I think he can get the right pieces to work, but I don’t think the Kraken have the right pieces.
If Francis appoints his "buddy," isn't this a textbook example of the good ol' boy network in action.
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That would be a reasonable question to ask if Evason didn't just have a terrific (better than good) record with the Wild.
That and there are like six coaches who are all former Whalers "buddies" with Francis. Some of them might be good candidates!
Fistfullofbeer
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Basically what @majormajor said. If Francis truly believes that Evanson is the best available option, then it's really not the "good ol' boy network". However, with how our organization is, we are not likely to find that ever.
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The Marquis
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So I looked up the NHL Coach Handsomeness data and Evason was tied for 10th with RBA. Disappointing... we lost our booktok guy, and here I was expecting a replacement in Evason.
For what it's worth, Woodcroft was #1.
For what it's worth, Woodcroft was #1.
Fistfullofbeer
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Was just talking about how tight lipped the organization is. We are not likely to find out who they really are considering for the position till Francis likely introduces the head coach.
Who put this cockamamee list together? And what imaginable rankings are they using? Darryl Sutter #2? Derek Lalonde #3? RBA tied for #10? While Jon Cooper, who is good-looking, is at #27?
To steal a Lee Trevino line, Sutter and Lalonde are so homely their parents had to tie a bone around their necks to get the family dog to play with them
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RainyCityHockey
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Well, he seems to be a tougher guy that is more hands on.
So the complete opposite of Hakstol in that regard.
Though, as others have mentioned. he's pretty good in the regular season but not so much in the playoffs.
And if that's what we're looking for we could just bring in Bruce Baudreau.
At least the interviews would be fun with him doing his thing and reporters trying very hard to cancel out his F-Bombs....
Fuhrious
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I stopped reading when I saw Sutter at #2…
Who put this cockamamee list together? And what imaginable rankings are they using? Darryl Sutter #2? Derek Lalonde #3? RBA tied for #10? While Jon Cooper, who is good-looking, is at #27?
To steal a Lee Trevino line, Sutter and Lalonde are so homely their parents had to tie a bone around their necks to get the family dog to play with them
Dudes face looks like an old catchers mitt. No way that’s a serious list.
The Marquis
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Who put this cockamamee list together? And what imaginable rankings are they using? Darryl Sutter #2? Derek Lalonde #3? RBA tied for #10? While Jon Cooper, who is good-looking, is at #27?
To steal a Lee Trevino line, Sutter and Lalonde are so homely their parents had to tie a bone around their necks to get the family dog to play with them
A computer. This was our first test of AI. Believe nothing you see ever again.
wewantyoursoul
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This Woodcroft...maybe...
This Woodcroft...absolutely no way...
This Woodcroft...absolutely no way...
The Marquis
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Boudreau would be amazing for sheer entertainment value, I wouldn't miss a single presser... but he's really not much of a playoff coach either. He's had more success than Evason though. We're kind of screwed in our options. Either you've got successful coaches who fans would cancel the team for (Babcock, Quenneville) because of some dirt, or whatever, which I understand why you don't hire them. Then you have coaches who consistently underperform in the playoffs, or coaches who have little to no playoff experience.
I think it's important for us also to remember that our GM has had exactly one season as GM of a team that experienced playoff hockey and it was with the Kraken (I'm right aren't I? I didn't verify that claim, but feel as though I've made it before).
At any rate, are there any coaches available who have had playoff success and don't have a bunch of dirt on them?
Oh... yes... Disco Dan and one could argue Todd McLellan, though unlike Dan, his name isn't on the Cup.
Just some stats on Disco Dan
NHL Seasons as Head Coach - 8
NHL Playoffs Appearances - 6
Regular Season 320-190-55
Playoffs 78-78 - .500
Times Advancing to Round 2 vs. Times Eliminated in Round 1 - 6-0
Stanley Cups - 1
35 of those playoff losses were overtime losses. That's a substantial note. That's where the risk is. Also, Buffalo always wants to believe they are good, but they haven't been for a very long time so let's not pretend the only 2 seasons he had as coach of a team that missed the playoffs wouldn't have happened with Scotty f***ing Bowman as their coach.
Now... let's compare to the other options being floated out there:
Todd McLellan
NHL Seasons as Head Coach - 16
NHL Playoffs Appearances - 9
Regular Season 598-412-134
Playoffs 42-46 - .477
Times Advancing to Round 2 vs. Times Eliminated in Round 1 - 6-3
Stanley Cups -
Dean Evason
NHL Seasons as Head Coach - 5
NHL Playoffs Appearances - 4
Regular Season 147-77-27
Playoffs 8-15
Times Advancing to Round 2 vs. Times Eliminated in Round 1 - 1-3
Stanley Cups - 0
Jay Leach
NHL Seasons as Head Coach - 0
NHL Playoffs Appearances - 0
Regular Season 0-0-0
Playoffs 0-0
Times Advancing to Round 2 vs. Times Eliminated in Round 1 - 0-0
Stanley Cups - 0
Some stats to stew on. All of that said and both Dan and Todd McLellan had success with teams known to be stacked and one could argue that aside from Dan's first season, neither lived up to their potential, but I don't think that's fair to McLellan at all. There were other much better teams in the NHL, winning the Stanley Cup when he was coaching the Sharks. Those Blackhawks and Kings teams were damn good and deserved their success.
After that McLellan had a young Oilers team that wasn't great on the whole. He also had some decent regular season success with an aged Kings team that I felt outperformed their potential after the 2 shortened seasons and he was fired when the Kings were 23-15-10 at the start of this season and I think in 2nd place in the Pacific. The ended up making the playoffs by performing 21-12-1 after he was fired, which isn't a ton better, but those OTL's under McLellan do stand out.
At any rate, after looking at this, in no way do I go with Evason, both stylistically and historically. You don't go with Leach, because you have too much to lose, so I'm torn between Bylsma and McLellan of the coaches that have been linked.
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The Marquis
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But you don't understand... You're not AI.
RainyCityHockey
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Well, I'd rather go a non traditional route and hire someone who hasn't been part of the NHL coaching recycling programm but I guess that won't happen.
BTW: Marco Sturm has been intervieed for the Sharks job and supposedly has interest from others as well.
Sturm did a great job with the german national team(silver medla 2018 Olympics with an all DEL squad), but has also gained experience as an assistant coach for the Kings(4 years under McLellan) and as the head coach of their AHL affiliate for the past two seasons.
Fuhrious
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I mentioned back around the whole Arizona/Utah shitshow that I'd love to see a guy like Tourigny in Seattle. That's the sort of coaching hire I'd like, honestly...I have no idea if Sturm is that sort of hire or not, though. Another spin on the retread wheel is a huge snoozer as far as I'm concerned.
That said, I fully expect Francis to go with Evason or Bylsma. Yawn.
I guess I'm on team retread.
I don't think of this search as looking for some unique coaching genius. It really does help to have someone who has done it before who knows how to manage NHLers. From what I hear Bylsma has had issues with managing personalities and connecting with players, so probably not him. But in general I prefer seasoned candidates.
I don't think of this search as looking for some unique coaching genius. It really does help to have someone who has done it before who knows how to manage NHLers. From what I hear Bylsma has had issues with managing personalities and connecting with players, so probably not him. But in general I prefer seasoned candidates.
I don't think an Evason coached team has ever made the second round - not in the NHL or the AHL.
In fact, there was only one time his team even made it to a deciding game seven, and that was the weird quarantine year were the same eight teams just kept playing each other and they were in the pretty weak western division.
I don't recall anyone saying when Evason was hired in Minnesota that that team was supposed to be a high end team that won two games for every loss (which they did under Evason), or a cup contender or anything like that where you expect them to have deep playoff runs. Minnesota, remember, the supposed archetype of a middling team?
But you read here and you'd think he failed to bring a juggernaut to glory.
But you read here and you'd think he failed to bring a juggernaut to glory.
The Marquis
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As long as it’s someone that gets his players to play aggressively and a sense of urgency. This passive mentality on the power play drove me up a wall. Pass around the puck for 90 seconds only to get 1 or no shots off doesn’t cut it.
You have a man advantage, USE IT! Fire pucks at the net and put pressure on the defense and the goalie.
I was never excited when the Kraken had a power play because I knew what was coming. Pass, pass, pass, pass, turn over, retrieve puck slowly, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass pass, shot wide, pass, pass, end of power play.
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