Well, he’s definitely worse offensively; that’s not even up for debate. He’s not as gritty, tough, or physical as Mailloux either, so that leaves the defensive side of things. Barron is ass defensively in the NHL, so I have a real hard time believing that somehow he’s some kind of defensive wizard in the AHL to the point that it makes up for the other stuff.
Confirmed with Link: Kovacevic Traded to the Devils for 2026 4th Round pick (Highest of the three 4th Rounders the Devils own)
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Estimated_Prophet
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Kovacevic is easily the inferior dman between these two who played sheltered minutes and just processed the game too slow. He is a fine 6/7 on most teams but he is a poor puck mover and should not be relied on by any team who has playoff aspirations.
+/- means absolutely nothing in most cases and should never be quoted by anyone trying to build a case for or against a player.
LaP
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Barron has to play in the NHL next season. We have to test him and know what he is made of before taking a final decision. So that's Savard and Barron. It would be ill advised to have Reinbacher and Mailloux start their NHL career the same year and also ill advised to have one on a 2nd pairing in the AHL. Ideally you want to have one in the NHL next season and one in the AHL (1st pairing) so that's 3 RHD in the NHL (Mailloux/Reinbacher-Savard-Barron).No shortage of right handed d-men? Only if some prospects win their spots I believe. Are they making it easy for Mailloux?
Or we're getting a RD UFA...
The 7th dman will be a LHD since there's a lockjam there (Matheson, Guhle, Harris. Xhekaj and Struble). I know lot of people are super high on Kova i mean been there done that this kind of story always excite the beer infused crowd but he's not even remotely close to be good enough to warrant not testing the kids we have to be sure we're not missing something. We don't want in 2 years to be put in a situation where we have to test 3-4 kids the same year cause we have keep all of them in the AHL for 2 years (some of them on a 2nd pairing in the AHL).
We will already have Hutson-Reinbacher/Mailloux in the AHL next season and one of Struble/Harris/Xhekaj). If we keep Kova that'd going to be two of Struble/Harris/Xhekaj. At one point those kids got to play and we have to test them before we have to dump some of them. Kova is a nothing burger 7th dman. I know half the fanbase would dump their girlfriend for a weekend with Kova but he really is nothing special.
Yes that's why the 7th dman has to be LHD and not RHD.Does Hughes know our logjam is on the left side?
Estimated_Prophet
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He's ok, he is the most athletic Chad on this board....ask him, he loves telling us all about it.
I'm just telling you what I saw.
Barron was Physical BTW he started using his big frame to his advantage.
People are convinced he's shit so he's shit.
I laugh because I see a player who is progressing and who has a ton of skills and talents others don't possess.
It'll be hard for him to break the bias because when this fan base doesn't get what they expected they turn on the player.
Eller went through it no matter what he did it was never going to be good enough.
The funny thing is a lot of the same people who were critical of Lehkonen calling him a dime a dozen fourth liner complain about Barron.
I hope he makes people choke on their words this season.
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I haven't been in the fitness thread in a while, which correlates with my being unfit since having babies, regardless, I hope he's ok, and more generally, I think that extreme lifestyles associate with psychological risk.
The world in general is shit right now. Most of the things I care about and follow in the arts and in politics are going to hell. I will not be giving further details because I don't want to be banned, you probably know what I mean. But, I look at the Habs and I think they may be the only product/organization I care about with good management right now. So this isn't the board to complain.
We all do, but I don’t see it. And he really isn’t progressing. He’s not really any better than when he first got here. I’d rather prioritize Mailloux’s development at this point. That’s a player that has actually been progressing.
LaP
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may i say that your perception of the role of the fans is erratic ; Hugues, Gorton, Saint-Louis are the ones that are taking the decisions. No way they trade Barron because the fans evaluation.
Eller was traded because he was going to get a salary raise, now was it Danault that took his spot for less money ?
NobleSix
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There is one thing you need to understand Barron is not competing with Mailloux and never was.
Mailloux is still behind Justin Barron in the pecking order one has to be waived the other doesn't.
We all saw how Ylonen was given every chance to prove himself as an asset before they were forced to let him go.
Do you honestly think they are going to waive an extremely mobile 6'2' right shot defender who can move the puck with his legs.
Both players will be playing for deck chairs not of the same role.
Reinbacher's chair is currently being held by Kaiden Guhle Mailloux's chair is currently being held by David Savard.
Kovacevic was in and out of Barron's projected spot as were others.
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I don’t think a 3rd would have been crazy expectations… I understand that free up the log jam / contract is valuable to us but NJ aren’t doing us a favour they are getting a cheap player that they will use, Kulak as a rental plus retention return a 2nd+
I think you’re confused here. Savard, Reinbacher, Mailloux, and Barron are all RD. Guhle is a LD. Anyway, now that Kovacevic is gone it’s not as pressing. Reinbacher, Barron, and Mailloux should all be battling for the last two spots after Savard. One of them will end up in Laval.
I guess the real logjam is on LD:
Matheson
Guhle
Harris
Xhekaj
Hutson
Struble
Trades are coming soon, I would think.
Liked him too, big boy on RD but at best a 6th D. Looked like a nice guy well liked by his teammates.
We got him for free, gave him a good home and helped him look good. We get a 4th for a player that had no future in the core. This means this season we'll probably live and die with Mailloux and Barron alternating and Ghule on the right. Hopefully Savard gets traded at TDL if Mailloux-Barron can both play steady.
The role of the fans what are you even talking about?
I'm saying a lot of fans have bad takes and bias and pre-conceived notions about certain players.
I'm saying I don't agree with it I'm not saying it has anything to do with what management decide to do.
I used Lars Eller as an example because we traded that God Halak for him and it turned out Lars wasn't the first line scoring center they felt they were supposed to get in return. So no matter how good he was at the role he was given it was never going to be good enough.
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Mrb1p
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I'll be alright when this team is properly managed. Wasting away 2nd rounders for a marginal difference in players and passing on a kid that's broken record in the Q while he was available in the 5th f***ing round, not trading for Marino, drafting random plugs instead of talent-high upside guys.
Not adressing Guhle on the RD is probably even worse than all those.
I'm not alright.
Confused?????
1st pairing second pairing 3rd pairing RD
There is absolutely no confusion Reinbacher is projected to be 1st pairing
Mailloux is projected to be 2nd pairing.
Barron is projected to be 3rd pairing.
These are only projections it may end up being different but they are all different roles.
Guhle is currently the placeholder for the 1st pairing RD role.
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Anybody seeing what Hugues did here? Now the Devils cannot trade these 4th round picks as there is a lean on them... kind of put them in a bind. Slick.Highest of the three 4th rounders is actually pretty hilarious because I’m picturing the negotiations where this was specified.Maybe i’m just overtired but that shit is funny for some reason.
Solid trade. Waiver pickup, played parts of two solid seasons. He was the obvious odd man out.
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He also did it to them with the Allen deal with it being a 3rd but can be converted to a 2nd
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They can trade them as conditional 4th just like they just did. Trade to MTL get the highest, trade to X get 2nd highest, trade to Y get the last.
I agree that the draft was pretty suspect after the first round - a legacy pick, an extremely obscure goalie, an enforcer and a bunch of over-agers. It seemed like they all got drunk after round 1, and then just winged it the next day, like they were too enamoured with their round 1 picks to care what happened after
.However, I do think it was worth it to move up for Hage. I doubt he’d have been there at 26. We’ll see how it turns out.
As for Poirier, he’s a seriously flawed player and it has nothing to do with his size. 31 teams passed on him multiple times. I’d be very surprised if he ever ends up as a full-time NHL player.
The rest, Hughes has all summer to sort out. Take a breather lmao.
