Value of: Kotkaniemi

[OG]

Give me nothing in return and I’ll include 12 boberry biscuits

 

[Frank Drebin]

And Van, who has stated they will be active and have been tied too JK before, will offer up 15OA to get him. Imo of course.

I don’t see that type of value at 4.8 m but possibly with retention

 

[PanniniClaus]

Playing in Europe soon.

 

[Fatass]

I don’t see that type of value at 4.8 m but possibly with retention

Could be retention or Canes add a second or third?

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

How much does Carolina have to pay to dump this albatross

SeasonInitialSavingsCap Hit
2025-26$4,820,000$3,978,667$841,333
2026-27$4,820,000$3,978,667$841,333
2027-28$4,820,000$4,358,667$461,333
2028-29$4,820,000$4,358,667$461,333
2029-30$4,820,000$4,358,667$461,333
2030-31-$841,333$841,333
2031-32-$841,333$841,333
2032-33-$841,333$841,333
2033-34-$841,333$841,333
2034-35-$841,333$841,333

 

[PanniniClaus]

SeasonInitialSavingsCap Hit
2025-26$4,820,000$3,978,667$841,333
2026-27$4,820,000$3,978,667$841,333
2027-28$4,820,000$4,358,667$461,333
2028-29$4,820,000$4,358,667$461,333
2029-30$4,820,000$4,358,667$461,333
2030-31-$841,333$841,333
2031-32-$841,333$841,333
2032-33-$841,333$841,333
2033-34-$841,333$841,333
2034-35-$841,333$841,333

Yeah - they are too cheap for this.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Yeah - they are too cheap for this.

It saves money. Replace him for 775k-1M. They still save a few million per.

 

[Stuzchuk]

most analysts that I've seen talk about him all seemed to agree that it's either retention with a return or the under 26 1/3 buyout, not a single one has mention paying to dump him. Like some have said on here already, it's 4.5M with the cap jumping up significantly within the next 3 years, so what ever they decide to do wont really affect the team

The only thing that seem to be sure, it clearly looks like he's done with Carolina

 

[PanniniClaus]

It saves money. Replace him for 775k-1M. They still save a few million per.

Yes - they don't seem like a buy out team but I'd do it. Just want someone so badly overpaid away from my team. Worse, he's not NHL caliber.

 

[miscs75]

Try calling Montreal or Vancouver. I think they both need a center.

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

He’d have good value if carolina retained that.82 m on his contract rather than buying him out. Maybe the lars eller trade from Montreal is a good comparison? I think it was 2 seconds

That’s a LOOOONG time to tie up one of your retention spots for though.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Palat and a pick

In all seriousness I could see the Devils being interested in him. No idea what they'd actually offer though.

 

[Jee]

Try calling Montreal or Vancouver. I think they both need a center.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Try calling Montreal or Vancouver. I think they both need a center.

He’s make a good Isle. Chokes when it matters most!

 

[robbieberns]

Yeah - they are too cheap for this.

Same cheap team/owner that spent 6.1m in both cap and real dollars in order to buyout Marleau in exchange for the first round pick that turned into Seth Jarvis?

 

[PanniniClaus]

Same cheap team/owner that spent 6.1m in both cap and real dollars in order to buyout Marleau in exchange for the first round pick that turned into Seth Jarvis?

I think many teams would spend a fair amount to get a first rounder.

 

[TGWL]

If they retain 1-1.2, they can get a good asset back. They don't have to use a buyout option yet. He's putting up 30+ points still.

 

[MrLunatik]

most analysts that I've seen talk about him all seemed to agree that it's either retention with a return or the under 26 1/3 buyout, not a single one has mention paying to dump him. Like some have said on here already, it's 4.5M with the cap jumping up significantly within the next 3 years, so what ever they decide to do wont really affect the team

The only thing that seem to be sure, it clearly looks like he's done with Carolina

@Fig on the Flames board suggested Rory Kerins and Daniil Miromanov for Kotkaniemi. If the Canes are looking to shed his contract and aren't expecting a bigger return, it could work out for both sides

 

[robbieberns]

I think many teams would spend a fair amount to get a first rounder.

Point is, Carolina are smart with their money, not cheap. They’ll do what they can do get him moved cleanly no money remaining on the books, but a buyout at that amount if there aren’t any better options will be signed off on without much of a second thought.

 

[MrLunatik]

If they retain 1-1.2, they can get a good asset back. They don't have to use a buyout option yet. He's putting up 30+ points still.

This is a good point, next summer he will still be eligible for the 33% buyout,

 

[Bobby Ryan Getzlaf]

Can he pk and how is he on the dot?

 

[MrLunatik]

Can he pk and how is he on the dot?

He's never PK'd in the NHL, so while you could say no, he's still just 24 and could easily add that skill to his resume... yes he's good in the dot, and outside of a dip in his second season, e has improved his FO% every season; he finished this past season at 51.8

 

[NVious]

My team can fix him

 

[KevinRedkey]

I mean the team you like doesn't even have a 3C, but look at any 3C signed the past 2 years,,,, they all make 4.5m+

That's just not true.

Pinto and Henrique are the first 2 names I though of (I'm a Sens and Oilers fan), and I'm sure the list is plenty long.

He's the 57th highest paid center in the league according to CapWages. That's 2nd liner territory for 3rd liner talent and production.

 

[Doublechin]

Try calling Montreal or Vancouver. I think they both need a center.

We're looking for a 2C not a soft, underwhelming and overpaid 3C