Kitchener Rangers 2024-25 Season Thread, Part IV

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So does it then make sense to take a high risk - high reward player (in the sense that he may not report) in the 1st round and do that 1st round double-dip in 2026 ? The Ranger's next pick is at the top of the 2nd round, plus this draft is so deep that after the top 5 or so, the next 35-40 are likely quality picks (somebody is welcome to correct me if I have this wrong). So if this is correct, and a few teams go off the board, this team could still get a potentially very good pick in round two and possibly a decent player in round three.

By the way, I'm not suggesting this. Just throwing it out there.
What do I know.


Me personally dont see us taking a player that wont come to get the comp pick next year. I would have to think whoever we take this year in the 1st will be traded by the deadline for an upgrade. Same with next years 1st rder. Using the player(s) picked in the 1st more as currency in a later trade. Thats what most contenders do...but who knows.

Historically the flyers start coming around the 3rd or later pending on who it is and why they arent coming but with this being the first draft since the NCAA/CHL rule change its all going to be different I feel.
I like the move with London. We simply don't have roster spots next year, and if we're trying to host for 2027 Mem Cup, this years 3rd would have to be a stud to presumably make the team in 2026. You can't trade players from this draft except 1st rounders. But we can trade the 3rd and the 5th from London next year for help next year and beyond.

Our first two picks this year are 22nd & 24th (from PBO). Draft a guy with the 24th O/A who will report and make an impact, and use the 22nd O/A for a higher end riskier pick, giving the team flexibility to trade that player or if doesn't report then we have 2 firsts next year, both of which could be traded. That's something a buddy of mine has suggested, it makes sense to me.
(Forgive me but this is long. Getting fidgety waiting for the start of round two)

The goal here should be getting to a place where this team is not looking to trade their first round pick in a contending year. Unless a player is identified as the type of first round pick that could be considered a bust, and we’ve had them here before, that player should be valuable enough to be a piece further down the road and therefore, be considered off the table.

That’s what London does. They aren’t trading away the Connor McMicheals of the world, they are trading for them. It’s the less than impressive first rounders that they trade away. Guys like Testa, Bujold, Rolofs, Rowe, etc, that they deem expendable or not close to the talent / player they thought they were when they drafted them, that they sell off while they still have value as first rounders. That organization has been evaluating that first rounder from the time they’re drafted to the deadline. They learn a ton about the player on and off ice. If that player hits the block at the deadline, there’s a reason for it.

It’s not only about 2027 and hosting the Memorial Cup. It’s about being good for a consistent period of time. That period of time seemingly started last year and should flow right through and past 2027.

It’s possible that our 08 group could surpass our 07 group - especially if Valentini reports. So there’s no reason to believe that 27-28 should be a down year that has us selling off. A successful 2025 draft would go a long way to strengthening that team. That’s another reason why I wasn’t a fan of moving that 2025 3rd rounder to London.

I don’t know about purposely drafting a player in hopes he’d be defected. Especially when that pick is at #22. The return would be minimal in trade. What did #22 Henry B bring Ottawa? 2nd, 2nd, 3rd. If we’re getting a player who can contribute at #24, I stands to reason we’ll get one at #22 as well.

I’m thinking this draft will be close to what the actual ranking are. There will be players who are true student players who’d come to the OHL now.

So suppose the handful of first round ranked players who in the past were picked outside the first round, flyers if you will, are actually picked in the first round this tear where they are ranked. Once those players are slotted in, the player available to us at #22 would have already been drafted in years past. That should increase the odds that the player we take at 22 will be of higher calibre than players taken at 22 in the past.

And I know we scored big time being able to draft both Reid and Romano in the 2023 draft. But I posed the question last year and I’ll pose it again now. Which player would have made last year’s team better, and which player would make this year’s team better?
Hage or Romano. I know who I’d pick.

I get it. Hage wasn’t coming. But, we didn’t get a landfall of picks for him in trade. One 4th rounder and of course, the comp pick used on Romano. I understand the thinking that it’s all about 2027 and possibly hosting. But I’m positive MM welcomes Hage with open arms if he’d have reported here.

For me, I look at the Hage / Romano thing as a sideways move. Basically trading player for player, thus kicking the can down the road a year. This is by no means a rip on Romano. The kid is top shelf but compared to Hage, he’s a year behind him based on age and development.

We don’t have roster spots next year. But I think room will be made. Yes I agree two 09’s. Outside chance at three. I mean, we’re very deep this year and had Bilecki and Schaubel here all year and Headrick would have been if not for injury. But we should also make room for a flyer or two (Valentini +?), and a couple of imports.

We’ll have assets to sell. Maybe a couple we wouldn’t expect to be moved that bring good value to the draft cupboard. For instance, I wouldn’t be surprised if a guy like Bilecki is moved for value. He’s shown he’s a player in this league this year. A player with high upside. But, where does he fit in once you get past guys like Dirracolo, Campbell, Reid, and an OA? The coaching staff is playing MacNiel and Xu ahead of him for a reason and it’s not because Bilecki can’t play. It’s because we’re embarrassingly deep. If we use an OA D, today he looks to slot in at 6-7? I think he deserves and will want more minutes but so do they all. Some have mentioned moving out MacNiel but there’s a reason he’s starting in the playoffs. This management group relishes size and grit. If and when Ando graduates, who fills his shoes? For me, I see MacNiel today as a poor man’s Ando. Just as I saw Ando as a poor man’s Xhekaj.

In 26-27, we’ll need more than one 07 born D and it’s obvious he slots in behind Reid and ahead of Schneider.

What’s Bilecki worth? Well, as a second round pick of this league, who has shown he can play in this league and have good upside, he has to be worth at least a 2nd + +. That helps fill the draft cupboard, gives the player a place to play more regular minutes, and helps clear up our back end a little. Of course, this is all strictly spitballing on my part. I have no idea what’s in management plans. I’m just throwing this out as a hypothetical.

Bottom line is, moves will have to be made to make room for incoming players. Some moves that may not be popular or expected among the fan base. Again the next 8 or 9 months will be very interesting here in Rangerland.
 
The goal here should be getting to a place where this team is not looking to trade their first round pick in a contending year. Unless a player is identified as the type of first round pick that could be considered a bust, and we’ve had them here before, that player should be valuable enough to be a piece further down the road and therefore, be considered off the table.

That’s what London does. They aren’t trading away the Connor McMicheals of the world, they are trading for them. It’s the less than impressive first rounders that they trade away. Guys like Testa, Bujold, Rolofs, Rowe, etc, that they deem expendable or not close to the talent / player they thought they were when they drafted them, that they sell off while they still have value as first rounders. That organization has been evaluating that first rounder from the time they’re drafted to the deadline. They learn a ton about the player on and off ice. If that player hits the block at the deadline, there’s a reason for it.
Sorry, still reading through the whole post :)
But historically to get a top end player like a ....Brady Martin, Jake O'Brien or Owen Griffin type of player has cost in the past a 16yr (1st round pick player) and multiple picks. Sure there has been case of just picks and if there is a way to do that then great. But if you are not doing everything you can to obtain a high end player that will make your contending roster even better then whats the point. You do everything you can in a contending year to make your team the best possible.

And to your point, you and I are both wrong. The goal shouldnt be to trade the 16yr old or keep them. It should be do what is needed to make the team better. And going by historical trade, more of them included a former first rounder in a deal when obtaining a high end player. So my post may have been a little wrong in saying that but my point was, we should be bringing in a high end player each of the next 2 years to bolster our roster at whatever the cost is going to be.

And before other posters come in and say Martin wont be available or Griffin or whatever, they are just examples of high end players in that age group that we should be looking at getting.
 
Windsor got Cristoforo and McNamara back. Spellacy prob will be back for some if not all the series. Dunno about Woodall.
Both of them were out due to hits. Christoforo from a high hit. McNamara just got crunched along the boards.

Our Top D Man, Mathurin will remain out. And similarly to “they might play Thursday” with Reid & Misaljevik, we heard Belchetz was ‘rehabbing’ publicly before the playoffs, but also heard thru the grapevine he snapped his leg.

I get not disclosing all the injury info on 16-20 year olds, for personal and strategic reasons, but as fans, it’s tough not knowing if your Top 6 guy is going to be playing Thursday, coming back for Game 7, or is done for the season.

Respect to the Rangers and the rivalry, looking forward to a fun series, hopefully we can see a 5th game this time around.

If anyone’s got recommendations for local eats, feel free to message me. Plan to make my first trip to the Aud some point this series! May whomever wins this series, go all the way to the MemCup!
 
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I thought that if a player got ejected and then suspended from a penalty in the first half of the game that game counted as the first of the suspension? Or is it different if it's and automatic 2 game suspension?
 
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I thought that if a player got ejected and then suspended from a penalty in the first half of the game that game counted as the first of the suspension? Or is it different if it's and automatic 2 game suspension?
In the Media Notes on the OHL website says that rule is not in place for the playoffs

SUSPENSIONS:
The following list of suspensions is for information purposes only. It should not be construed as necessarily a complete listing of all suspensions.

TEAMPLAYERDATEDISCIPLINERETURN
KITLuke EllinasApr. 42 gamesApr. 14
PBOLiam LaddsMar. 212 gamesGame 2 of 2025-26
PBOThanasi MarentetteMar. 153 gamesGame 1 of 2025-26
Consideration of timed served factored into the length of suspensions where players have been ejected prior to the 10:00 mark of the second period is not in effect for the 2025 OHL Playoffs.
 
Sorry, still reading through the whole post :)
But historically to get a top end player like a ....Brady Martin, Jake O'Brien or Owen Griffin type of player has cost in the past a 16yr (1st round pick player) and multiple picks. Sure there has been case of just picks and if there is a way to do that then great. But if you are not doing everything you can to obtain a high end player that will make your contending roster even better then whats the point. You do everything you can in a contending year to make your team the best possible.

And to your point, you and I are both wrong. The goal shouldnt be to trade the 16yr old or keep them. It should be do what is needed to make the team better. And going by historical trade, more of them included a former first rounder in a deal when obtaining a high end player. So my post may have been a little wrong in saying that but my point was, we should be bringing in a high end player each of the next 2 years to bolster our roster at whatever the cost is going to be.

And before other posters come in and say Martin wont be available or Griffin or whatever, they are just examples of high end players in that age group that we should be looking at getting.
The hope with the “all in” 26-27 season is that the expensive rental player that we would have to trade for would already be on the team. The surprise signing of Jacob Xu and the possible signing of Adam Valentini, would be two additions that would fortify this team and should take away the need to trade for expensive rental players.

Again with London, they don’t trade for expensive rental players very often. Usually, they have a solid team and they add secondary pieces to augment. The only time they trade first rounders, is when they’ve deemed that first rounder not worthy, and they need to get rid of him while that player still has first round value.

I don’t mind trading a first rounder on a rental player if that first rounder is deemed “not first round value” to us. There’s a reason in years we contended we did not trade Pinelli or Rehkopf for example. There’s also a reason we did trade Ladd. But it’ll be a sad day if we have to trade away the likes of Pinelli and Rehkopf calibre players in a rental deal, the way Hamilton did, but they traded McMichael to London.
 
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The hope with the “all in” 26-27 season is that the expensive rental player that we would have to trade for would already be on the team. The surprise signing of Jacob Xu and the possible signing of Adam Valentini, would be two additions that would fortify this team and should take away the need to trade for expensive rental players.

Again with London, they don’t trade for expensive rental players very often. Usually, they have a solid team and they add secondary pieces to augment. The only time they trade first rounders, is when they’ve deemed that first rounder not worthy, and they need to get rid of him while that player still has first round value.

I don’t mind trading a first rounder on a rental player if that first rounder is deemed “not first round value” to us. There’s a reason in years we contended we did not trade Pinelli or Rehkopf for example. There’s also a reason we did trade Ladd. But it’ll be a sad day if we have to trade away the likes of Pinelli and Rehkopf calibre players in a rental deal, the way Hamilton did, but they traded McMichael to London.
I get the hope....with the NCAA/CHL rule change, that makes things unknown so who knows how that will affect the Xu's, Valentini's etc.
I usually dont like comparing to other teams and their models but the Hunters have been successful. I choose more to see what MM has done and Jussi have to build a successful model to follow. We should have been rebuilding the last 2 years yet atop of the league. Even in a down year, London doesnt always get a top 4 finish in the West (although thats rare.)
We will probably still disagree but I think you do whatever you have to, to get to the Mem Cup when you have a chance. I remember 2003 Mem Cup and much less but still the 1982 Mem Cup. I have no idea what players we traded away to get there unless I google it. I am fine trading Headrick next year if that means a Brady Martin comes back for a solid run at it.
 
I get the hope....with the NCAA/CHL rule change, that makes things unknown so who knows how that will affect the Xu's, Valentini's etc.
I usually dont like comparing to other teams and their models but the Hunters have been successful. I choose more to see what MM has done and Jussi have to build a successful model to follow. We should have been rebuilding the last 2 years yet atop of the league. Even in a down year, London doesnt always get a top 4 finish in the West (although thats rare.)
We will probably still disagree but I think you do whatever you have to, to get to the Mem Cup when you have a chance. I remember 2003 Mem Cup and much less but still the 1982 Mem Cup. I have no idea what players we traded away to get there unless I google it. I am fine trading Headrick next year if that means a Brady Martin comes back for a solid run at it.
Not sure about 82, but we did next to nothing as far as loading up goes in 03. Mostly depth moves.

And I don’t even have to look it up! Lol!

Ryan Ramsay to Plymouth for Gregory Campbell.

OA Mike Amodeo moved to the Soo to make room for incoming OA George Halkidis.

And of course, Steve Eminger was returned after WHC from Washington.

A couple minor moves for depth players David Clarkson and Nathan O'Nabigon.

Nothing at the deadline though save for the depth addition of Jesse Boucher from NCAA. PD did try to improve on Scott Dickie but deals fell through.
 
You guys have a "shutdown line" for Windsor's top line of Greentree, Protas, and Morneau? They can be dominant, play 45 minutes a game (very slight exaggeration). Should be a great series.
I would say that the Mercer, Grisolia, Hlacar line would be the closest thing to a shutdown line. But Jussi may choose to have one of our top two lines go against them head to head.
 
I have a feeling we see a Xu goal this series, bullet from the point.
Hlacar can be a difference maker in this series if he keeps it within the lines. He wore out the middle 6 in the flint series hitting everything that moves.
Xu had a strong series. Big hit in game 5. Obviously Reid back in is great, but I'm not as nervous on the back end.

Where I am nervous is up front. Misal and Ellinas being out is pretty substantial. While the team doesn't rely on any one player, those are still big shoes to fill.
 
Xu had a strong series. Big hit in game 5. Obviously Reid back in is great, but I'm not as nervous on the back end.

Where I am nervous is up front. Misal and Ellinas being out is pretty substantial. While the team doesn't rely on any one player, those are still big shoes to fill.
I suppose we see two of Headrick, Ellis, Cameron subbing in up front? Those two losses up front are substantial. Will we see that top line split up for a game to spread out the offence?

Going to be interesting.
 
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Not sure about 82, but we did next to nothing as far as loading up goes in 03. Mostly depth moves.

And I don’t even have to look it up! Lol!

Ryan Ramsay to Plymouth for Gregory Campbell.

OA Mike Amodeo moved to the Soo to make room for incoming OA George Halkidis.

And of course, Steve Eminger was returned after WHC from Washington.

A couple minor moves for depth players David Clarkson and Nathan O'Nabigon.

Nothing at the deadline though save for the depth addition of Jesse Boucher from NCAA. PD did try to improve on Scott Dickie but deals fell through.
Not sure about the specific trades but you can kind of figure it out by the footnotes at the bottom

 
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Good read, thanks for posting. Gotta love the Jussi quotes, he's so direct, lol. Didn't fluff his assessment of Pridham for the article by any means at all lol
His interview in the news was pure Jussi fashion.
“we had 4 more points in the season then they did, finished 2nd in the whole league and yet we have to draft second last with no home ice advantage. For me that pretty stupid by the league”.
 
His interview in the news was pure Jussi fashion.
“we had 4 more points in the season then they did, finished 2nd in the whole league and yet we have to draft second last with no home ice advantage. For me that pretty stupid by the league”.
And I agree with him. Farwell has been pumping this as well, on the radio and his podcast.

If you ask me, Division winners should be rewarded. In the WHL however, after round 1, they reseed based on points, which I think is a good method of doing this. If you want to give Windsor home ice in round 2 against a higher finishing team points wise, then swap the draft picks...
 
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The goal here should be getting to a place where this team is not looking to trade their first round pick in a contending year.
I personally am of the opinion you never “waste” a First Round pick. They have proven (pretty much every year) to be far too valuable of a player in the OHL. Even picking where we pick (Knights) these picks are normally key contributors. Again in London it’s normally in Year 2 but just too valuable and too big a part to throw away IMO? Second Rounders are no slouches but nothing like a First Rounders in my mind!!
 
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