Kitchener Rangers 2024-25 Season Thread, Part III

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DeBoer’s teams here played on the edge and could afford to take penalties as his PK allowed for it. We were always at or near the top of the league in that department.

Rangers are at the top of the league in PK today. They can afford to kill the odd ill advised penalty or two - though I wouldn’t want to put THAT PP on the ice any more than it needs to be.
 
If any or all of Andovoski's penalties send a message / get under the opponent's skin / gets the other team off their game I'm for it. I really don't care whether or not it supports a tough guy label. Yes, the London PP is the best in the league, and the Rangers were lucky this time round. However, this team has a choice. They can either participate in the game-in-game stuff, or they can continue to take the abuse like the last two years. The one thing that sticks with me was watching a guy like Motew (finally) get taken out of the series after two year's of playoff abuse [I'm actually surprised he lasted the 6 games worth].

This is just my own rant / opinion or whatever you want to call it, but I'd rather see this team go down fighting than watching the same old, same old. This is nothing against the way the Knights play. Hunter has them playing on the line, and he's successful. But if there's a 3rd year of this match-up, I hope to see a different Rangers team. Seeing a non-fighter like Mercer dropping the mits, likely knowing he has no chance shows me a lot and gives me hope for a different playoff-type team.
Nothing wrong with sandpaper. As the season wears on and teams are fighting for playoff positions games will get more physical. Jussi doesn't seem to mind players sticking up for one another. Teams are going to take penalties for the rough stuff. A strong PK takes the edge off the issue and at the moment the Rangers have one of the best. Just have to pick your spots.
 
DeBoer’s teams here played on the edge and could afford to take penalties as his PK allowed for it. We were always at or near the top of the league in that department.

Rangers are at the top of the league in PK today. They can afford to kill the odd ill advised penalty or two - though I wouldn’t want to put THAT PP on the ice any more than it needs to be.
Absolutely right, and there's definitely that risk playing that type of game.. Fortunately for one night the Knight's PP seemed slightly off, but for sure you don't want to take more penalties than you have to against that group.
 
Playing in your face doesn’t have to result in all the penalties. Ando was great laying out Sims, Haltunen and others. Not sure how a face wash to someone lying on the ice, a high stick in the neutral zone and dusting the goalie with snow adds up to a tough guy. To me, there is a difference, and he needs to address that. Not just last night have dumb penalties been an issue. Jussi may be willing to live with it, but the Sens may not be as understanding.
There are exactly 0 players like Ando that have a 100% success rate in determining when their hits will be perfectly legal and when they will cross the line. There are many different factors. I especially don't expect kids to always make good judgement calls when they are playing on edge.

Compared to say Xhekaj, while he's not the same calibre of fighter as X, he takes less selfish, bone headed penalties than he was taking in his final year here. I liked what X brought and accepted that once that dog is off the leash, he's not coming home until he bites half the neighbourhood.
 
I know I'm getting ahead of myself here but the following thought came across my mind. Say the Rangers Finish 3rd in the conference and have the 3rd most points in the league (which is the case right now) and they end up making it to the finals and play a Eastern conference division winner would they get home ice since they have more points or would the division winner have home ice like it would be if you were in your own conference stilly
 
Nothing wrong with sandpaper. As the season wears on and teams are fighting for playoff positions games will get more physical. Jussi doesn't seem to mind players sticking up for one another. Teams are going to take penalties for the rough stuff. A strong PK takes the edge off the issue and at the moment the Rangers have one of the best. Just have to pick your spots.
Snowing the goalie has nothing to do with sandpaper. You want to play with sandpaper, go stand on top of him, bump him a little. End of my rant.
 
There are exactly 0 players like Ando that have a 100% success rate in determining when their hits will be perfectly legal and when they will cross the line. There are many different factors. I especially don't expect kids to always make good judgement calls when they are playing on edge.

Compared to say Xhekaj, while he's not the same calibre of fighter as X, he takes less selfish, bone headed penalties than he was taking in his final year here. I liked what X brought and accepted that once that dog is off the leash, he's not coming home until he bites half the neighbourhood.
Xhekaj, as well had absolute man strength as an OA. He could toss anybody around that year. While Ando is strong and definitely a tough young man, the disparity between he and the average player is not on the same level it was with Arber.
 
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I know I'm getting ahead of myself here but the following thought came across my mind. Say the Rangers Finish 3rd in the conference and have the 3rd most points in the league (which is the case right now) and they end up making it to the finals and play a Eastern conference division winner would they get home ice since they have more points or would the division winner have home ice like it would be if you were in your own conference stilly
Partially a guess but I'm going to say that higher point total would get home ice advantage in the league final. Under the league's playoff format it distinctly refers to Conference playdowns when referring to the placement of the division winners as the top 2 seeds in the conference. But nothing about the League final.
 
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Just a question for you all and yes I'm being petty. On the Sim goal in which Cowen extends his streak why does the touch by Julien on the pass across not count towards the scoring summary. I might not understand the rules correctly but shouldn't it be Sim from Woolley and Julien and I can celebrate The Rangers ending the Cowen streak on top of beating the Knights.

If he touched it, and it appears he did, then the assist should be his, not Cowan's. The trouble is, it's not 100% conclusive and the player will deny touching it to preserve his teammate's streak. So it's probably moot unless the league really wants to be accurate.
Julian touched the puck, therefore he should’ve gotten the assist instead of Cowan. But, that’s not on the Knights. That’s on the Ranger stats crew. Whoever was tracking the play missed the Julian touch and Cowan was awarded the assist.

For those, who don’t know, the way it works upstairs is that there is a person with pen and paper and his sole job is to record the number of each player who touches the pluck during the entire play for each team. He’ll jot down the number of each player who touches the puck and then stop when a goal is scored or the puck changes possession, and resume recording the numbers of the other team. So leading up to this goal, he likely recorded 7, 90, 51, 90, goal. When in fact, he should’ve been recording 7, 13, 90, 51, 90, goal. (Sim redirected the puck to Woolley with his skate after Julian touched it with his stick).

Often, when a team has an issue with the official scoring, they’ll approach the official scorer with their concern. Sometimes they get things changed and sometimes they don’t. Had the Knights been looking to get Julian credited with an assist, they probably would’ve sent somebody to talk to the official scorer. Back in the day, I’ve seen Jim McKellar approach official scorers at the Aud during an intermission, politely questioning a scoring play. “Didn’t a particular player touch the puck? Etc. etc..”.

There was even an issue years ago, where Steve Spott got into a confrontation with the Rangers official scorer, demanding Ryan Murphy be credited with an assist. The scorer told him he couldn’t issue him an assist because he didn’t touch the park. He told Spott that he didn’t work for the Rangers, he worked for the league. Spott said back to him, that might be true, but we decide who works in your position. Murphy wasn’t credited with an assist.

If it meant anything to the Knights that Julian get the assist, no doubt they would pursue. But as Tim Wallach said on here, Julian will probably say he didn’t touch it so Cowen keeps the streak alive.

I doubt the Rangers really care either way to pursue it themselves.

If the league wants to get particular about it, they could review the tape and take the assist away from Cowan, and give it to Julian. But, I would assume that the league would rather leave it the way it is as it’s probably makes for a better story.
 
Julian touched the puck, therefore he should’ve gotten the assist instead of Cowan. But, that’s not on the Knights. That’s on the Ranger stats crew. Whoever was tracking the play missed the Julian touch and Cowan was awarded the assist.

For those, who don’t know, the way it works upstairs is that there is a person with pen and paper and his sole job is to record the number of each player who touches the pluck during the entire play for each team. He’ll jot down the number of each player who touches the puck and then stop when a goal is scored or the puck changes possession, and resume recording the numbers of the other team. So leading up to this goal, he likely recorded 7, 90, 51, 90, goal. When in fact, he should’ve been recording 7, 13, 90, 51, 90, goal. (Sim redirected the puck to Woolley with his skate after Julian touched it with his stick).

Often, when a team has an issue with the official scoring, they’ll approach the official scorer with their concern. Sometimes they get things changed and sometimes they don’t. Had the Knights been looking to get Julian credited with an assist, they probably would’ve sent somebody to talk to the official scorer. Back in the day, I’ve seen Jim McKellar approach official scorers at the Aud during an intermission, politely questioning a scoring play. “Didn’t a particular player touch the puck? Etc. etc..”.

There was even an issue years ago, where Steve Spott got into a confrontation with the Rangers official scorer, demanding Ryan Murphy be credited with an assist. The scorer told him he couldn’t issue him an assist because he didn’t touch the park. He told Spott that he didn’t work for the Rangers, he worked for the league. Spott said back to him, that might be true, but we decide who works in your position. Murphy wasn’t credited with an assist.

If it meant anything to the Knights that Julian get the assist, no doubt they would pursue. But as Tim Wallach said on here, Julian will probably say he didn’t touch it so Cowen keeps the streak alive.

I doubt the Rangers really care either way to pursue it themselves.

If the league wants to get particular about it, they could review the tape and take the assist away from Cowan, and give it to Julian. But, I would assume that the league would rather leave it the way it is as it’s probably makes for a better story.
Just makes me wonder how many phantom points that Cowen got during his streak? While it may be honourable forJulien to not to ask for a review, it could also be said its equally dishonorable for Cowen to take this phoney assist.
 
Just makes me wonder how many phantom points that Cowen got during his streak? While it may be honourable forJulien to not to ask for a review, it could also be said its equally dishonorable for Cowen to take this phoney assist.
It's not IMO, I've watched the games long enough and been a scoresheet tracker to be able to say with confidence that it happens more often than you'd like to see across the league, and I've never heard of a player giving back an assist after a game if the league/ref's don't do it.
 
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Just makes me wonder how many phantom points that Cowen got during his streak? While it may be honourable forJulien to not to ask for a review, it could also be said its equally dishonorable for Cowen to take this phoney assist.
Reminder that the league added the off-ice scorer review after the season Locke and Foy in Ottawa were record hunting with a number of phantom assists. The Ottawa crew was giving them assists if their relatives had ever vacationed in the same area code.

Apparently the impetus were NHL teams complaining that they were being duped by inaccurate stat totals and made some vague threats about the league's credibility.

It has been much better since, but obviously it still happens.
 
Looks like Parsons gets a rest.......

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