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Kitchener Rangers 2024-25 Season Thread, Part III

Glass half empty, glass half full. Doesn't matter if it's shit in the glass.

It's one more example of MM having a plan, this time seemingly committing to it (trading Rehk in off season), and then reversing course at the last second when the team is over achieving. IMO Not much different than the year we added Zhilkin when we should have sold. If the result is the same, the optimism others are showing now will be a forgotten memory and we'll all say he should have stayed on course.

The only reason I can see to not stay the course is if MM thinks both Parsons and Ahokas are huge parts of it, and if he know Ahokas is soon to be eyeing moving on.
I get your point but things have changed. The CHL/NCAA rule was after the Rehkropf deal. The team overachieving again was after the Rehkropf deal. When situations change, good GM's have to adapt. And yes, every GM is going to make a bad deal here and there, its how they make up for it.

People who may be down on MM, just be grateful we dont have Spott running the ship anymore or look at Flint or Sudbury. We could have McPharlan of Papineau....yikes!
 
The CHL/NCAA agreement has changed the playing field.
Well bookmark my comment, we'll see what the tune is if we trade too much and achieve too little in the playoffs once again, when we had an opportunity to set this organization up with a draft cupboard and young players that we haven't had (and have badly needed) since the DeBoer era.

I get your point but things have changed. The CHL/NCAA rule was after the Rehkropf deal. The team overachieving again was after the Rehkropf deal. When situations change, good GM's have to adapt. And yes, every GM is going to make a bad deal here and there, its how they make up for it.

People who may be down on MM, just be grateful we dont have Spott running the ship anymore or look at Flint or Sudbury. We could have McPharlan of Papineau....yikes!
Things have changed for every team in the league, not just Kitchener, and it remains to be seen exactly how it will effect things. I don't think it changes things to the extent that this lazy half-in, half-out every year (that we have done recently and everyone hated it) strategy is suddenly viable. I guess we'll see, I just think there's a sudden surge of not fully thought out optimism that I've seen before.
 
Well bookmark my comment, we'll see what the tune is if we trade too much and achieve too little in the playoffs once again, when we had an opportunity to set this organization up with a draft cupboard and young players that we haven't had (and have badly needed) since the DeBoer era.


Things have changed for every team in the league, not just Kitchener, and it remains to be seen exactly how it will effect things. I don't think it changes things to the extent that this lazy half-in, half-out every year (that we have done recently and everyone hated it) strategy is suddenly viable. I guess we'll see, I just think there's a sudden surge of not fully thought out optimism that I've seen before.
Speaking of DeBoer, he won two OHL championships here. In 2003, no major deadline deal. In 2008, just one major deadline deal (Mason).

In the two years leading up to hosting in 2008, he was a buyer. 2006 (David Lomas, Kory Konecny). 2007 (Steve Downie).

Maybe MM is taking a page out of his book.
 
Glass half empty, glass half full. Doesn't matter if it's shit in the glass.

It's one more example of MM having a plan, this time seemingly committing to it (trading Rehk in off season), and then reversing course at the last second when the team is over achieving.
Overachieving is a good thing at the end. It shows we have made improvements in the organization with regards to coaching. But you are not doing the organization any favours when you show future or current players that you don't trust them when they are in 2nd or 3rd place in a rebuild year. Not really developing future fans either. And the team will be torn apart during this success. It is a tough position to be in a a GM.
 
Well bookmark my comment, we'll see what the tune is if we trade too much and achieve too little in the playoffs once again, when we had an opportunity to set this organization up with a draft cupboard and young players that we haven't had (and have badly needed) since the DeBoer era.


Things have changed for every team in the league, not just Kitchener, and it remains to be seen exactly how it will effect things. I don't think it changes things to the extent that this lazy half-in, half-out every year (that we have done recently and everyone hated it) strategy is suddenly viable. I guess we'll see, I just think there's a sudden surge of not fully thought out optimism that I've seen before.
Only thing I would add...things have changed for every team in the league, but, every team doesn't benefit equally. Kitchener has gained the most at the start of this. Players look at attractive places to play. I just think that the Kitchener, London, Oshawa, Ottawa's for example will benefit more from this than some of the smaller market teams. Similar to late flyer draft picks in the priority draft, some teams have better chances of getting those players to report than others. I see that being the same case with this CHL/NCAA rule change.

I get the skepticism but Kitchener is in a better situation now than most teams with little to no draft picks in their cupboard.
 
HAHAHA. Well, Pinelli is a 48 goal scorer so….

Ranger fans are pretty good. I don’t like the fear of the London Knights much but I can understand being gun shy.

I always down for a good discussion with multiple levels. When the discussion doesn’t delve down into a sheer pissing match, the conversation is usually really great. Everyone can learn from everyone else’s insight, especially when it is fans from different teams that have more intimate knowledge of their teams.

I am learning more about the Rangers in this discussion which is great. Being a fan of an Eastern Conference team, most discussion pertains to the Eastern Conference. It is fun this time of year to mingle out of conference.
I personally, don't think it is a fear of the Knights. I think it is a fear of THIS YEAR'S KNIGHTS. I personally feel this is their best team ever outside of that "team of the century". (Can't recall the year) You must admit this year's version of the green machine is pretty formidable?
 
Only thing I would add...things have changed for every team in the league, but, every team doesn't benefit equally. Kitchener has gained the most at the start of this. Players look at attractive places to play. I just think that the Kitchener, London, Oshawa, Ottawa's for example will benefit more from this than some of the smaller market teams. Similar to late flyer draft picks in the priority draft, some teams have better chances of getting those players to report than others. I see that being the same case with this CHL/NCAA rule change.

I get the skepticism but Kitchener is in a better situation now than most teams with little to no draft picks in their cupboard.
You were saying?

Apologies … image is attached weird. Noah Powell from Ohio State to Oshawa. Nice freebie pick-up.
 

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Today, including next year’s three OA’s and signed 07’s and 08’s, MM has 25 returning players going into next year. That doesn’t include Valentini, etc. Doesn’t include the 2025 1st rounder. Doesn’t include a couple imports.

This team can afford to move out assets, be that bodies with value or non 2025 picks to close a deal for a vet.
 
I personally, don't think it is a fear of the Knights. I think it is a fear of THIS YEAR'S KNIGHTS. I personally feel this is their best team ever outside of that "team of the century". (Can't recall the year) You must admit this year's version of the green machine is pretty formidable?

I’m not that sure. They have a solid collection of players, that is for sure.

I am not sold on Elliot in net. He lost his net in the playoffs to the backup in each of the last two seasons on a 100+ point team. Anything can happen but if history is a predictor of the future, I am not sold on him being the guy.

Medvedev is a great goalie too but he is 17 years old. Can he withstand the pressure and expectation? Elliot was unable to. Who is to say Medvedev will?

If you look at their goaltending, there is a possibility it breaks down. If that happens, the team plays way differently. They will need to go more into a shell and protect vs attack.
 
Speaking of DeBoer, he won two OHL championships here. In 2003, no major deadline deal. In 2008, just one major deadline deal (Mason).

In the two years leading up to hosting in 2008, he was a buyer. 2006 (David Lomas, Kory Konecny). 2007 (Steve Downie).

Maybe MM is taking a page out of his book.
If he stands pat, I'm ok with it. If he trades a ton of assets I'm not.

Overachieving is a good thing at the end. It shows we have made improvements in the organization with regards to coaching. But you are not doing the organization any favours when you show future or current players that you don't trust them when they are in 2nd or 3rd place in a rebuild year. Not really developing future fans either. And the team will be torn apart during this success. It is a tough position to be in a a GM.
It wasn't good at the end in the year we added Zhilkin.

If we don't do well and give up a lot of assets, I just have a feeling I'm going to see the same people currently excited, act like they wanted to stick to the plan all along and knew he was making a mistake.
I'll eat my crow if we trade young players and picks and things turn out well.
 
If he stands pat, I'm ok with it. If he trades a ton of assets I'm not.


It wasn't good at the end in the year we added Zhilkin.

If we don't do well and give up a lot of assets, I just have a feeling I'm going to see the same people currently excited, act like they wanted to stick to the plan all along and knew he was making a mistake.
I'll eat my crow if we trade young players and picks and things turn out well.

If MM knows Sale is back I’m ok making a splash. If not I think stand pat and hold on to young players / picks is the way to go.
 
Wow…seems like NTC are holding up the Pinelli trade. I’d guess that means Lam, Headrick, O’Donnel (Brant) or Giffin (Oshawa).

Pinelli could go for a lot cheaper then expected as this is last minute headaches for OTT.
Where would this come from? Not seeing anything regarding the issue.
 
Only thing I would add...things have changed for every team in the league, but, every team doesn't benefit equally. Kitchener has gained the most at the start of this. Players look at attractive places to play. I just think that the Kitchener, London, Oshawa, Ottawa's for example will benefit more from this than some of the smaller market teams. Similar to late flyer draft picks in the priority draft, some teams have better chances of getting those players to report than others. I see that being the same case with this CHL/NCAA rule change.

I get the skepticism but Kitchener is in a better situation now than most teams with little to no draft picks in their cupboard.
“Better situation than most teams”. Is that how we evaluate a GM? Not for me. Are we in any position to hang a banner. Don’t think so. Should have moved assets for the future. Let’s revisit your assessment of MM when we get bounced by London in 4 straight, not even close, games yet again.
 
I get your point but things have changed. The CHL/NCAA rule was after the Rehkropf deal. The team overachieving again was after the Rehkropf deal. When situations change, good GM's have to adapt. And yes, every GM is going to make a bad deal here and there, its how they make up for it.

People who may be down on MM, just be grateful we dont have Spott running the ship anymore or look at Flint or Sudbury. We could have McPharlan of Papineau....yikes!

The Rehkopf trade only really makes sense if McKenzie anticipated the CHL/NCAA rule change, though. No one trades their best player and WJT guy in August. And I mean that literally, players of Rehkopf's calibre just aren't traded pre-season.

I don't think the bar for McKenzie should be Spott or Papineau, either. There's no reason the Rangers can't have a top 5 GM in this league.

Speaking of DeBoer, he won two OHL championships here. In 2003, no major deadline deal. In 2008, just one major deadline deal (Mason).

In the two years leading up to hosting in 2008, he was a buyer. 2006 (David Lomas, Kory Konecny). 2007 (Steve Downie).

Maybe MM is taking a page out of his book.

2003 was kind of before big deadline deals took hold, no? Though I also recall the idea floated that Eminger returning was the big deadline "add" that year. Mason and Shutron was also about as big an add as they come.

Anyway, good for McKenzie if he lowballed Ottawa, and even better for the Rangers' young guys if they exercised their no-trade clauses. They're there for a reason. And hey, players want to be here, that's a good thing.
 

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