Kitchener Rangers 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 2)

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On the Rangers gelling together and becoming a solid unit just remember they have only played 28 games. It's early in the season. Lots of games left. Teams only have issues when they bring in a player with baggage like a Steve Downie as an example. He was even disruptive at practices. Don't see that with the players brought in so far. They want to be here. When a franchise decides to make a run of some sort you need a few leaders on the squad not just one or two IMO. Still have to win a lot of games going forward against some tough opponents before you can really make an assessment.

I gotta admit that I personally hate the thought of giving up more high draft picks to further improve this team, but Josh Brown made a good point in his article a few days ago. Next season the OHL hosts the Memorial Cup tournament - meaning more team's in this league potentially on the Buyer's side....at least in theory. I think there is little argument that next year the Rangers are sellers.

EvenSteven, I really like your thinking of possibly moving Valade and Sop on the 3rd line to improve in that area should the right additional player be acquired. I think it was CC who mentioned (?) that Valade tends to have a better 2nd half of the season. Perhaps were starting to see that.

You can bet that MM is looking at all options. I think it's fair to say that he had paid a reasonable price for Arcuri and Moore. I have faith that he won't overpay for any potentially beneficial piece that might still be available to add to this line-up.
I like Valade's game at the moment. He is making an impact.
 

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All I am saying is if your team (or any team for that matter) requires tinkering on the 3rd line in addition to adding 3-4 players, the team isn’t good enough to contend to begin with. Swapping out 6 players isn’t realistic for any team.

Agreed. As EvenSteven pointed out though, wholesale changes aren't necessary IMO. I think there was enough talent on this squad to begin this season. It appears that they may just now be finally (hopefully) be getting it together.

The reference to the 3rd line tinkering in this case I think is valid. Before the Arcuri trade, I believe there was arguably a gap in talent below the top 6 - with inclusion of Martin when he returns. If the Rangers were to acquire the right piece - whomever MM feels is that key player - it would allow the Rangers to move Valade and Sop to the 3rd as mentioned, along with a guy perhaps like Swick. Up front that would be just adding a couple of players. Agreed though, you can overdo it. We've seen that play out over the years.
 

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Agreed. As EvenSteven pointed out though, wholesale changes aren't necessary IMO. I think there was enough talent on this squad to begin this season. It appears that they may just now be finally (hopefully) be getting it together.

The reference to the 3rd line tinkering in this case I think is valid. Before the Arcuri trade, I believe there was arguably a gap in talent below the top 6 - with inclusion of Martin when he returns. If the Rangers were to acquire the right piece - whomever MM feels is that key player - it would allow the Rangers to move Valade and Sop to the 3rd as mentioned, along with a guy perhaps like Swick. Up front that would be just adding a couple of players. Agreed though, you can overdo it. We've seen that play out over the years.

Ah, ok. That makes more sense. Agreed. Acquire one additional Piece to drop a more complete 3rd line that sort of already plays together.
 

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MM has to do everything in his power this season to bolster this lineup. Especially now that he made commitments to the players he traded for recently and earlier. I don't believe he is done yet. There is more to come.
 
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The problem with hunting the Mississauga players is that both Beck and Del Bel Belluz are likely back next year as well, so that'd jack up the price significantly or require a lot of conditions. Either would be a huge lift to this team though.
Could maybe swing it if the GM has plans to flip them at the deadline next year to get a rebate on part of the cost.
 

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Mindless scrolling today because let's be honest, who's getting any work done this week! It's crazy to go back to page 1 of this thread. A lot has happened in 2 weeks. Hopefully the push continues and we don't end up repeating ourselves.
 

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Windsor won the first of back to back Memorial Cups that season. London was let down by poor goaltending if I recall.

Many are obviously dead against trading for Wright. I'm in the minority - get him if we can. More than that I have complete faith in whatever MM tries. A month ago most here including myself were ready to flush the season. At the end of the day no matter what MM does, the best he can do is put us in a position to win. There are no guarantees.
It was also a series where all 5 games went to OT, the team that s ored first lost every game, and yes the goalie let in few very soft OT winners but had concussion earlier tgat year. Not sure if that played a role or not. Closest 5 game series ever in a best of 7 lol.
I still think Ktown has a good shot at a serious run. Have since pre season and was surprised by their start.
I'm personally not a huge fan of adding that superstar but it can work. I like when treams grab those tye players early in their career ( non signed 1st, trades in yr 1 or 2 type deals )
But I do think Wright would add alot to your team.......guess its just a matter of cost. I see him staying in the East. But I know nothing, see nothing, hear nothing lol
 
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It was also a series where all 5 games went to OT, the team that s ored first lost every game, and yes the goalie let in few very soft OT winners but had concussion earlier tgat year. Not sure if that played a role or not. Closest 5 game series ever in a best of 7 lol.
I still think Ktown has a good shot at a serious run. Have since pre season and was surprised by their start.
I'm personally not a huge fan of adding that superstar but it can work. I like when treams grab those tye players early in their career ( non signed 1st, trades in yr 1 or 2 type deals )
But I do think Wright would add alot to your team.......guess its just a matter of cost. I see him staying in the East. But I know nothing, see nothing, hear nothing lol
The thing about adding the best player available is it's a double win. Not only does he add to your team, he's not adding to another team. It worked for Hamilton last season adding MacTavish.
 

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We aren’t looking for an OA upgrade as we lose that depth if we do. I still think forsure we are needing 1 more forward. I’d prefer it be very good 2nd line option and I’m not opposed to also getting a Center allowing Rekopf to drop to the 3rd line. Come playoff time it’s very hard for a 17 year old to play 2nd line trying to win a championship. Meaning Sop gets to keep his top 6 spot…which he has deserved and being older/mature player for a championship run.

Sop - Pinelli- Acuri
Mesar - ADD - Martin
Swick - Rehkopf - Valade

If I’m GM that is my one trade target to complete the top 9. I’d also be ok with trading a Swick or Zidlicky or whoever (maybe 2 or 3 of them) past our top 8 to get a true 3rd line experienced player. I’m not sold on Swick or anyone past are top 8 to really fill out that 3rd line.
 
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We aren’t looking for an OA upgrade as we lose that depth if we do. I still think forsure we are needing 1 more forward. I’d prefer it be very good 2nd line option and I’m not opposed to also getting a Center allowing Rekopf to drop to the 3rd line. Come playoff time it’s very hard for a 17 year old to play 2nd line trying to win a championship. Meaning Sop gets to keep his top 6 spot…which he has deserved and being older/mature player for a championship run.

Sop - Pinelli- Acuri
Mesar - ADD - Martin
Swick - Rehkopf - Valade

If I’m GM that is my one trade target to complete the top 9. I’d also be ok with trading a Swick or Zidlicky or whoever (maybe 2 or 3 of them) past our top 8 to get a true 3rd line experienced player. I’m not sold on Swick or anyone past are top 8 to really fill out that 3rd line.
We won a Memorial Cup in 03 with a 17 year old centering the 2nd line.

Just sayin.

I’d try and trade for a top line forward to slot into the second line. Center or right wing. Right now, I think we’re good at LW.

Martin, Arcuri and Sop. Bring in a center and Rehkopf drops to third line center. Bring in a RW and Valade drops to third line RW.
 

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Hello Rangers fans
Tonight I am reaching out to the broader hockey family and communities not as a London Knights fan, but as a concerned human being. As you know, one of our Knights players died tragically this past Saturday. His friends, family and the community are devastated.
Please consider donating to the GoFundMe page set up by his family to help with the funeral arrangements.
Thank you

 

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Hello Rangers fans
Tonight I am reaching out to the broader hockey family and communities not as a London Knights fan, but as a concerned human being. As you know, one of our Knights players died tragically this past Saturday. His friends, family and the community are devastated.
Please consider donating to the GoFundMe page set up by his family to help with the funeral arrangements.
Thank you

Thank you for posting
 

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Hello Rangers fans
Tonight I am reaching out to the broader hockey family and communities not as a London Knights fan, but as a concerned human being. As you know, one of our Knights players died tragically this past Saturday. His friends, family and the community are devastated.
Please consider donating to the GoFundMe page set up by his family to help with the funeral arrangements.
Thank you

Hi again.
Seems the page has been taken down for some reason.
The Knights are checking into it with the family right now. Please stay tuned.
 

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We won a Memorial Cup in 03 with a 17 year old centering the 2nd line.

Just sayin.

I’d try and trade for a top line forward to slot into the second line. Center or right wing. Right now, I think we’re good at LW.

Martin, Arcuri and Sop. Bring in a center and Rehkopf drops to third line center. Bring in a RW and Valade drops to third line RW.
No offense to Carson, be he has nowhere near the heart or desire of Mike Richards at 17. Richie had that attitude of always playing every shift hard and going through a brick wall to make plays happen. Rehkopf on the other hand is happy on the perimeter and relies on others to get the play to come to him... he's got a deadly shot once this occurs. Unfortunately this style of play embodies the type of player that becomes invisible in the playoffs. You need to want it enough to make your own luck. I'm not seeing that night in night out, much less shift by shift from Carson.
 

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No offense to Carson, be he has nowhere near the heart or desire of Mike Richards at 17. Richie had that attitude of always playing every shift hard and going through a brick wall to make plays happen. Rehkopf on the other hand is happy on the perimeter and relies on others to get the play to come to him... he's got a deadly shot once this occurs. Unfortunately this style of play embodies the type of player that becomes invisible in the playoffs. You need to want it enough to make your own luck. I'm not seeing that night in night out, much less shift by shift from Carson.
Few players are the caliber of Mike Richards. You're right - unfair comparison.
 

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Richards was a player that comes by very rarely at 17. Rehkopf is not at his level. This is why I think the biggest need in our top 9 is a 2nd line Center. If you can get a center and keep Sop in the top 6 this gets Rehkopf and Valade to the 3rd line which is true depth needed to win a championship.
 

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No offense to Carson, be he has nowhere near the heart or desire of Mike Richards at 17. Richie had that attitude of always playing every shift hard and going through a brick wall to make plays happen. Rehkopf on the other hand is happy on the perimeter and relies on others to get the play to come to him... he's got a deadly shot once this occurs. Unfortunately this style of play embodies the type of player that becomes invisible in the playoffs. You need to want it enough to make your own luck. I'm not seeing that night in night out, much less shift by shift from Carson.
Never said Rehkopf was as good as Richards. We haven’t had a Richards, since Richards. Period.

That being said, Rehkopf is good. Damn good. IMO (don’t know how much weight that carries. Lol), he’s good enough to be a third on the second line.

In the 03 playoffs, DeBoer often put 16 year old McGrath on the top line with Roy and Campbell. Sure Clarkson spent time there two. But McGrath was good enough to be a third on that line. If you remember, as good as McGrath was and eventually became, he couldn’t lace Richards’ skates either. Initially, Kanko played on that top line and it was the best line in the league. Went to the all star game as a line and everything. But DeBoer changed it up putting Kanko beside Richards to strengthen the second line.

If we want to spread scoring throughout the top three lines, the best way to do it is by having lines with two higher end players and a good third to complete the line. Especially on the top two lines. Martin is a good third on one line. Ditto Rehkopf on another.

If we want a strong third line, we have to put some quality on it. Based on their play of late, Valade and Sop would make up two thirds of a dangerous third line vs other team’s third lines.

I suggested bringing in another very good to higher end forward and maybe an inexpensive veteran forward to play on the third line.

If, for example, we were to bring in, say, a high end RW, (Winterton?). I play him on the 2nd line with Arcuri on the left side and probably try Rehkopf in the middle. Then bring in an inexpensive center (Michaud?) for the 3rd line.

The top nine could look something like this:

Martin. Pinelli. Mesar.
Arcuri. Rehkopf. Winterton.
Sop. Michaud. Valade.

Hey, those combinations are just examples. (Mix and match Pinelli, Arcuri, Mesar and Winterton if you will). But nobody would be expecting Rehkopf to carry that 2nd line. He’d have two high end line mates. Ditto Martin on line one.

And of course, if we were to bring in a high end center, then Rehkopf drops to third line LW with Valade RW on line two. And who knows, perhaps Mesar gets a try at second line center. Dennis would have time to experiment to get the right combos together.

Hey, one of the more common complaints on here during our mediocre period this year was that Rehkopf was buried on the third line only to be brought up to the top six, and often the top line, when the going got tough. People wondered why he didn’t play top six from the opening face off. Once he was elevated onto the top six, we had better results.
 
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No offense to Carson, be he has nowhere near the heart or desire of Mike Richards at 17. Richie had that attitude of always playing every shift hard and going through a brick wall to make plays happen. Rehkopf on the other hand is happy on the perimeter and relies on others to get the play to come to him... he's got a deadly shot once this occurs. Unfortunately this style of play embodies the type of player that becomes invisible in the playoffs. You need to want it enough to make your own luck. I'm not seeing that night in night out, much less shift by shift from Carson.
I don't think Rehkopf will be invisible come playoffs, wasn't last year. Richards is my favourite player maybe of all time...that style of play takes a toll and in Richie's case lead to pain problems, and the problems associated with trying to relieve it constantly. Rehkopf has more projectible pro tools than Richards had at the same age (his skating was an issue for the next level, but he had the work ethic to overcome the flaws that would be an issue at the next level). Few have the heart and desire and willingness to ruin their body and take on a substance problem if in the process it helps him win. That's what made him one of a kind; saying Carson isn't Richards shouldn't be the weirdly negative spin on Carson that it has become.
 

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We aren’t looking for an OA upgrade as we lose that depth if we do. I still think forsure we are needing 1 more forward. I’d prefer it be very good 2nd line option and I’m not opposed to also getting a Center allowing Rekopf to drop to the 3rd line. Come playoff time it’s very hard for a 17 year old to play 2nd line trying to win a championship. Meaning Sop gets to keep his top 6 spot…which he has deserved and being older/mature player for a championship run.

Sop - Pinelli- Acuri
Mesar - ADD - Martin
Swick - Rehkopf - Valade

If I’m GM that is my one trade target to complete the top 9. I’d also be ok with trading a Swick or Zidlicky or whoever (maybe 2 or 3 of them) past our top 8 to get a true 3rd line experienced player. I’m not sold on Swick or anyone past are top 8 to really fill out that 3rd line.
Respectfully a hard NO putting Rehkopf on the 3rd line vs a Sop on the first. Rehkopf's numbers improved since CD finally moved him up off the 3rd line. Perhaps a Mesar-Pinelli-Acuri combo with Rehkopf- ADD - Martin or some such combination.
 
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