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Kitchener Rangers 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 2)

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EvenSteven said:
Like the Moore deal and Serpa, Valade would be a throw in. Morrison would be, what, 2x2nds 2x3rds? Rangers have the picks…
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I’m not sure that is enough. Would teams want Valade from Hamilton; and what is Valade’s approximate trade value?
 
Coaches Coroner said:
This makes little sense. He slid to 4 in a weak draft. I don't think he could have "easily gone higher" when every team in front of Seattle had him lower than where they picked. A lot of Scouts were unimpressed with his compete level and tendency to beat up on weaker teams and phoning it in against top teams.

I'm not paying extra for his "4th overall NHL pick" pedigree when he also seems to have baggage that comes with him. If the price is Rehkopf+, I think you can improve the team in other ways, addressing real needs (wright would improve but doesn't fill a need), for less. I'm not touching the kid at the price until I see him play amazing at the WJC, until he does that I don't care that he played a whopping 8 NHL games and 5 AHL games all season.

You can probably upgrade on Valade to Morrison, get a similar impact OHLer, and still have just enough assets to get a strong 3rd liner with attributes the rest of the lineup lacks.
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This is pretty much what I’ve been saying. Wright is not worth what the market value seems to be. Makes no sense to me. A great NHL prospect but he hasn’t quite lived up to expectations at the OHL Level. That is not to say he isnt’ good. HE is a great player. But, he hasn’t lived up to expectations which have been high, rightfully so.

Because he is a centre, he is worth more than Acuri but is he worth whathe went for PLUS an ‘06 1st? I don’t think so.

Again, great NHL prospect no doubt. But at the OHL level is he the right guy for that type of deal? I don’t think so.

dirty12 said:
I’m not sure that is enough. Would teams want Valade from Hamilton; and what is Valade’s approximate trade value?
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Morrison isn’t worth more than Arcuri. I think the fair market value for an elite OA is two 2nds and three 3rds. That seems to have held tru now for a solid 4-5 years. The only variable is whether the year the picks are in alignment with what the selling team is looking for.
 
OMG67 said:
This is pretty much what I’ve been saying. Wright is not worth what the market value seems to be. Makes no sense to me. A great NHL prospect but he hasn’t quite lived up to expectations at the OHL Level. That is not to say he isnt’ good. HE is a great player. But, he hasn’t lived up to expectations which have been high, rightfully so.

Because he is a centre, he is worth more than Acuri but is he worth whathe went for PLUS an ‘06 1st? I don’t think so.

Again, great NHL prospect no doubt. But at the OHL level is he the right guy for that type of deal? I don’t think so.



Morrison isn’t worth more than Arcuri. I think the fair market value for an elite OA is two 2nds and three 3rds. That seems to have held tru now for a solid 4-5 years. The only variable is whether the year the picks are in alignment with what the selling team is looking for.
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I think far too many forget
 
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OMG67 said:
This is pretty much what I’ve been saying. Wright is not worth what the market value seems to be. Makes no sense to me. A great NHL prospect but he hasn’t quite lived up to expectations at the OHL Level. That is not to say he isnt’ good. HE is a great player. But, he hasn’t lived up to expectations which have been high, rightfully so.

Because he is a centre, he is worth more than Acuri but is he worth whathe went for PLUS an ‘06 1st? I don’t think so.

Again, great NHL prospect no doubt. But at the OHL level is he the right guy for that type of deal? I don’t think so.



Morrison isn’t worth more than Arcuri. I think the fair market value for an elite OA is two 2nds and three 3rds. That seems to have held tru now for a solid 4-5 years. The only variable is whether the year the picks are in alignment with what the selling team is looking for.
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Until a team offers 2-2nds & 3-3rds for an OA the ‘67s are getting

OMG67 said:
His Playoffs goals video wouldn’t last longer than 30 seconds…..
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Again, far too many are basing Wright’s life story on (one) season while conveniently ignoring the Gretzky-Hilinka after a year off.
 
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dirty12 said:
I’m not sure that is enough. Would teams want Valade from Hamilton; and what is Valade’s approximate trade value?
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Valade? Maybe in the neighborhood of a 3rd and 4th?

For me though. I think I would rather go in the direction of Harrison from Oshawa. Assuming the same cost for Harrison is the Arcuri cost, we do that deal, for variation of that return, and we still keep Valade who can play in our top nine.
 
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EvenSteven said:
Valade? Maybe in the neighborhood of a 3rd and 4th?

For me though. I think I would rather go in the direction of Harrison from Oshawa. Assuming the same cost for Harrison is the Arcuri cost, we do that deal, for variation of that return, and we still keep Valade who can play in our top nine.
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I think Dale Hunter has beaten us to that particular punch.
 
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Tim Wallach said:
I think Dale Hunter has beaten us to that particular punch.
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Something yet to be announced? And here I was thinking the following:


Assuming the price for Harrison would be Arcuri cost, 2x2nd, 3x3rds, we could do a variation of that cost. Would Oshawa agree to this?

To Oshawa
04G-Parsons
05F-Zidlicky
2nd ‘25
3rd. ‘24
3rd. ‘25

Parsons and Zidlicky in lieu of a 2nd and 3rd.

From an Oshawa perspective: Gives them a #1 goalie for the next two years. Zidlicky on the radar of NHL central scouting.

From a Ranger perspective, we have Vandenberg and DiFelice going forward. We protect the 2nd 3rd picks in ‘23. Protecting those picks is worth the lost of Parsons and Zidlicky.

Then, maybe Michaud from Niagara for Sirizzotti cost? Similar players with similar production.

Then we are:

Martin. Pinelli. Mesar.
Arcuri. Harrison. Valade.
Rehkopf. Michaud. Sop.
Swick. Mercer. Miseljevic
Bottineau.Morey.Pugliese

Schmidt. Moore.
Brzustewicz. Hamara.
Motew. Andonovski.
Hollett. Scott.

Costantini.
Vandenberg.
DiFelice.
 
EvenSteven said:
Something yet to be announced? And here I was thinking the following:


Assuming the price for Harrison would be Arcuri cost, 2x2nd, 3x3rds, we could do a variation of that cost. Would Oshawa agree to this?

To Oshawa
04G-Parsons
05F-Zidlicky
2nd ‘25
3rd. ‘24
3rd. ‘25

Parsons and Zidlicky in lieu of a 2nd and 3rd.

From an Oshawa perspective: Gives them a #1 goalie for the next two years. Zidlicky on the radar of NHL central scouting.

From a Ranger perspective, we have Vandenberg and DiFelice going forward. We protect the 2nd 3rd picks in ‘23. Protecting those picks is worth the lost of Parsons and Zidlicky.

Then, maybe Michaud from Niagara for Sirizzotti cost? Similar players with similar production.

Then we are:

Martin. Pinelli. Mesar.
Arcuri. Harrison. Valade.
Rehkopf. Michaud. Sop.
Swick. Mercer. Miseljevic
Bottineau.Morey.Pugliese

Schmidt. Moore.
Brzustewicz. Hamara.
Motew. Andonovski.
Hollett. Scott.

Costantini.
Vandenberg.
DiFelice.
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Parsons is a #1 goalie? .849 this year 2nd last in the league.

In Petes land I wonder if McCoy is made avaailble. I could see a Valade+3rd for McCoy then Petes get Braden Hache and Rangers have an open OA spot to add again
 
Square Corners said:
Parsons is a #1 goalie? .849 this year 2nd last in the league.

In Petes land I wonder if McCoy is made avaailble. I could see a Valade+3rd for McCoy then Petes get Braden Hache and Rangers have an open OA spot to add again
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Based on Parsons play in the postseason last year? Yes. His future is as a number one goalie in this league.

His numbers this year can be attributed to the poor play of the team overall at the start of the season.
 
EvenSteven said:
Based on Parsons play in the postseason last year? Yes. His future is as a number one goalie in this league.

His numbers this year can be attributed to the poor play of the team overall at the start of the season.
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Agreed. Possibly Parsons injury could have affected his play too. It could also lessen his trade value.
 
Square Corners said:
Parsons is a number #1 goalie?.849 this year
In Petes land I wonder if McCoy is made avaailble. I could see a Valade+3rd for McCoy then Petes get Braden Hache and Rangers have an open OA spot to add again
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5 game sample size from when the Rangers as a team were playing abysmal hockey...over 22 games last year he had the same .898 SV% as the Ottawa 67's current goalie does, except Ottawa is much better this year than last years Rangers (or this years so far).
 
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Coaches Coroner said:
5 game sample size from when the Rangers as a team were playing abysmal hockey...over 22 games last year he had the same .898 SV% as the Ottawa 67's current goalie does, except Ottawa is much better this year than last years Rangers (or this years so far).
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Someone above said he'd be worth the equiv of a 2nd+3rd. Theres no way. At best hes a 1A/1B goalie tandem guy next yuaer
 
OMG67 said:
Morrison isn’t worth more than Arcuri. I think the fair market value for an elite OA is two 2nds and three 3rds. That seems to have held tru now for a solid 4-5 years. The only variable is whether the year the picks are in alignment with what the selling team is looking for.
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The elite OA move at the deadline last year was Xhekaj to Hamilton for 2x2nds, 2x3rds, a conditional 4th and Mutter. That pretty much lines up with your post as it could be argued that Mutter and the 4th = a 3rd.

I supposed Hamilton should expect the same value this year for Morrison.
 
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EvenSteven said:
The “someone above” said he and Zidlicky would be worth a 2nd and 3rd.
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IMO, Parsons likely won't be coveted anywhere for trade until he's fully recovered and returns to regular play at a level resembling his 2022 playoff form. Zidlicky's lackluster play since October, especially this month, probably wouldn't recover MM a replacement 6th round pick at this point in time. I'd love to be wrong here, but...

EvenSteven said:
I supposed Hamilton should expect the same value this year for Morrison.
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Agreed, I expect Morrison has broader appeal too. Would we 'settle' for Hayes in a Valade upgrade deal if deeper pockets were after Morrison?
 
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K2 said:
IMO, Parsons likely won't be coveted anywhere for trade until he's fully recovered and returns to regular play at a level resembling his 2022 playoff form. Zidlicky's lackluster play since October, especially this month, probably wouldn't recover MM a replacement 6th round pick at this point in time. I'd love to be wrong here, but...
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Hard to argue your point on Parsons. But once he recovers and returns to his level of play in the 22 playoffs, he’d be worth the 2nd and 3rd himself.
 
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EvenSteven said:
The elite OA move at the deadline last year was Xhekaj to Hamilton for 2x2nds, 2x3rds, a conditional 4th and Mutter. That pretty much lines up with your post as it could be argued that Mutter and the 4th = a 3rd.

I supposed Hamilton should expect the same value this year for Morrison.
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Xhekaj was an extremely rare OA. I don't recall any OAs who stepped directly into the NHL next season, although there must be some.
 
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OMG67 said:
His Playoffs goals video wouldn’t last longer than 30 seconds…..
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To be fair, would an overall Kingston playoff goals video since 1994 be any longer lol?

I like the Fronts. Great fans. Never the ability to put together a complete team that allows for everyone to be successful including Shane Wright.
 
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