Kitchener Rangers 2022-23 Off-Season Thread (Part 5)

[Krangers08]

I’m excited to see the return they will get at the deadline. Brzustewicz/ Martin is going to bring a big hall. Brzustewicz will be the number 1 available at the deadline, will they do a brother swap?I think swick is going to have a big year with many teams calling at the deadline. Curious to see if they want strictly picks or take Mississauga’s approach

 

[Krangers08]

When Joe Birch presented the financial report, he said we payed out Dennis to honour his contract ($200k) so that hit was quite possibly taken in full.


Agreed, though he could definitely use another exhibition period or three to experience more OHL game pace after struggling to stop 2/5 shots in the 3rd of Sunday's laffer. If Parsons is somehow already on the block, Edwards may well stay up with the team.

Edwards is 16 and can only play 10 games as he would be on a Jr B card

 

[Jives]

I think if Parsons is traded in part of the return will be a weaker goalie.

 

[EvenSteven]

I think if Parsons is traded in part of the return will be a weaker goalie.

It’ll have to be.

 

[TheBlueMonster]

I think as an assistant coach, David Bell is the HC

My bad all.

I am fake news lol.


Yes, AC. I misread.

Mondays...lol

 

[EvenSteven]

I’m excited to see the return they will get at the deadline. Brzustewicz/ Martin is going to bring a big hall. Brzustewicz will be the number 1 available at the deadline, will they do a brother swap?I think swick is going to have a big year with many teams calling at the deadline. Curious to see if they want strictly picks or take Mississauga’s approach

Yes I believe that Brzustewicz will be one of, if not the top defenceman made available for trade at the deadline. Martin however, needs to show that he can stay healthy and score at a pace that was expected of him last year. If he can do that, he will bring good return at the deadline.

Swick is an interesting case. In the off-season, based on his market value, I fully expected him to be a candidate to be an OA for us next year.

But in this preseason, and yes I know it’s just the preseason, he has been a beast out there. Using his size as a power forward and getting some points on the board. If he keeps that up, we may get some calls on him leading up to the deadline.

 

[TheBlueMonster]

Yes I believe that Brzustewicz will be one of, if not the top defenceman made available for trade at the deadline. Martin however, needs to show that he can stay healthy and score at a pace that was expected of him last year. If he can do that, he will bring good return at the deadline.

Swick is an interesting case. In the off-season, based on his market value, I fully expected him to be a candidate to be an OA for us next year.

But in this preseason, and yes I know it’s just the preseason, he has been a beast out there. Using his size as a power forward and getting some points on the board. If he keeps that up, we may get some calls on him leading up to the deadline.

I like Swick. He looks much better this year too.

The available OA group to us next year isn't strong. I imagine MM might like to snag a decent 04 off the market this year that would be available next year as an OA. Not a buy move. Maybe just someone wanting to play closer to home or just wanting more time on ice.

I think considering his goal scoring ability, we could see Rehkopf dealt at the deadline. With the OHL hosting the memmer this season, it might be a sellers market. Teams like Ottawa, Barrie, might be willing to over pay knowing that if Saginaw does make it through the West, there would be a back door entry if they make it to the finals.

For now, I am excited to see the Rookies and what they can do. And some players who will have more ice time (Missle, Mercer, Hamara)

I originally had Missle as a bubble player but he seams to have worked on his game this offseason.

I have never been a big fan on Antonino Pugliese but he didn't do enough for me last year to warrant a spot now in his 19yo season. Wondering if he hits waivers when everybody is back from NHL camps.

This would have been a perfect year for a player like Adam Zidlicky,

 

[EvenSteven]

I like Swick. He looks much better this year too.

The available OA group to us next year isn't strong. I imagine MM might like to snag a decent 04 off the market this year that would be available next year as an OA. Not a buy move. Maybe just someone wanting to play closer to home or just wanting more time on ice.

I think considering his goal scoring ability, we could see Rehkopf dealt at the deadline. With the OHL hosting the memmer this season, it might be a sellers market. Teams like Ottawa, Barrie, might be willing to over pay knowing that if Saginaw does make it through the West, there would be a back door entry if they make it to the finals.

For now, I am excited to see the Rookies and what they can do. And some players who will have more ice time (Missle, Mercer, Hamara)

I originally had Missle as a bubble player but he seams to have worked on his game this offseason.

I have never been a big fan on Antonino Pugliese but he didn't do enough for me last year to warrant a spot now in his 19yo season. Wondering if he hits waivers when everybody is back from NHL camps.

This would have been a perfect year for a player like Adam Zidlicky,

I don’t see us trading for an 04. Truth be told, guys like Miseljevic and Pugliese, and I thought Swick until his strong play this post season, are the perfect kind of OA’s to have around in a rebuilding year. Next year we’ll be a little better, but we’ll still be rebuilding. It’ll be a year where our youth will get a ton of minutes in all the important situations. Guys like Miseljevic and Pugliese shouldn’t have a problem playing middle six minutes.

If Rehkopf plays like we know he can, he’ll be one of the more sought after elite players at the deadline. The return would be significant. I keep saying it: Owen Beck comparable return.

 

[rangersblues]

I like Swick. He looks much better this year too.

The available OA group to us next year isn't strong. I imagine MM might like to snag a decent 04 off the market this year that would be available next year as an OA. Not a buy move. Maybe just someone wanting to play closer to home or just wanting more time on ice.

I think considering his goal scoring ability, we could see Rehkopf dealt at the deadline. With the OHL hosting the memmer this season, it might be a sellers market. Teams like Ottawa, Barrie, might be willing to over pay knowing that if Saginaw does make it through the West, there would be a back door entry if they make it to the finals.

For now, I am excited to see the Rookies and what they can do. And some players who will have more ice time (Missle, Mercer, Hamara)

I originally had Missle as a bubble player but he seams to have worked on his game this offseason.

I have never been a big fan on Antonino Pugliese but he didn't do enough for me last year to warrant a spot now in his 19yo season. Wondering if he hits waivers when everybody is back from NHL camps.

This would have been a perfect year for a player like Adam Zidlicky,

I know you didn't mean anything by it but "the memmer " needs to be called the Memorial Cup. It's to honour young men, including Junior hockey players who gave their lives in World War I. It's not the Mem Cup either. I was even more peed off when MasterCard held the rights and insisted it be called the MasterCard Memorial Cup.

It's a trophy that needs to be duly respected.

 

[Krangers08]

I like Swick. He looks much better this year too.

The available OA group to us next year isn't strong. I imagine MM might like to snag a decent 04 off the market this year that would be available next year as an OA. Not a buy move. Maybe just someone wanting to play closer to home or just wanting more time on ice.

I think considering his goal scoring ability, we could see Rehkopf dealt at the deadline. With the OHL hosting the memmer this season, it might be a sellers market. Teams like Ottawa, Barrie, might be willing to over pay knowing that if Saginaw does make it through the West, there would be a back door entry if they make it to the finals.

For now, I am excited to see the Rookies and what they can do. And some players who will have more ice time (Missle, Mercer, Hamara)

I originally had Missle as a bubble player but he seams to have worked on his game this offseason.

I have never been a big fan on Antonino Pugliese but he didn't do enough for me last year to warrant a spot now in his 19yo season. Wondering if he hits waivers when everybody is back from NHL camps.

This would have been a perfect year for a player like Adam Zidlicky,

I think they keep rehkopf as he would get a similar return at next year deadline and won’t make Seattle. Brzustewicz must be dealt as he is late birthday (04) resulting in being a OA next year or playing in the Ahl. The Zidlicky trade is a double edge sword as he would be a good pair with Razor but also brought them MacNiel who will be a 1st spring d

 

[EvenSteven]

I think they keep rehkopf as he would get a similar return at next year deadline and won’t make Seattle. Brzustewicz must be dealt as he is late birthday (04) resulting in being a OA next year or playing in the Ahl. The Zidlicky trade is a double edge sword as he would be a good pair with Razor but also brought them MacNiel who will be a 1st spring d

They may keep Rehkopf this year, but it won’t be because they’d get similar return next year.

For 1.5 years of a player of his stature, he’d bring a ton more this year than next.

We’re rebuilding this year. We will not contend next year. Therefore, there’s no real reason to keep Rehkopf until next year’s deadline. MM needs to listen to offers for him at this year’s deadline to achieve maximum return.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

I know you didn't mean anything by it but "the memmer " needs to be called the Memorial Cup. It's to honour young men, including Junior hockey players who gave their lives in World War I. It's not the Mem Cup either. I was even more peed off when MasterCard held the rights and insisted it be called the MasterCard Memorial Cup.

It's a trophy that needs to be duly respected.

I get your point, but the utter pointlessness and waste of WWI when you study it is so overshadowed by the patriotism of remembrance of bravery and self sacrifice that the lesson's learned from it are generally the wrong one's imo. Many of those poor young men were conscripted and sold a false bill of goods that it would be some kind of grand adventure filled with travel and over soon; scarified by powers greater than themselves and often for little more than a few feet of dirt (that would be lost, retaken, lost, then retaken again etc). I think it's good to make sure to distinguish the Memorial Cup as a WWI trophy and not a blanket "all wars" trophy, thoigh.

It's also what the kids vying to play in it call it. I cut 'em a break because no one seems interested in actually teaching them about WWI now (outside of coach's telling graphic stories of a guy killing his friend by accident to emphasize not giving "suicide pass's" in summer hockey camp).
I've never liked "hockey lingo" though, and it's only gotten dumber as far as I can tell.

 

[Krangers08]

They may keep Rehkopf this year, but it won’t be because they’d get similar return next year.

For 1.5 years of a player of his stature, he’d bring a ton more this year than next.

We’re rebuilding this year. We will not contend next year. Therefore, there’s no real reason to keep Rehkopf until next year’s deadline. MM needs to listen to offers for him at this year’s deadline to achieve maximum return.

True I guess. Will be interesting to see how mm approaches his last 2 years here. 2 years in the draft lottery will only help the rebuild.

 

[Habsrule]

The Rangers actually have a lot of movable assets if they dig deep enough.

Rehkopf could have a Beck like return from last year; 16 year old first round player, two seconds, third, fourth. That is only if Rehkopf puts up big point numbers

Brzustewicz could have a Kyrou like return from last year; 16 year old second round player, two seconds, third, fourth, fifth

Swick is in a category that not many players are. He is very tall and can still skate well. He was not drafted by an NHL team so he very likely is back as an over age player next season. Many teams would be looking for his service

Martin is big and can play physical and can score. He is everything that a playoff team looks for. He plays a playoff style of hockey. A team could view him as an upgrade as an overager

Sop just seems to be a point producing machine in preseason so far. 3 goals and 6 assists in four exhibition games. He won’t produce at that rate but if he is over PPG he could be an overage upgrade on many teams

Motew doesn’t do anything special but he just does everything right. I think he is high IQ type of defenceman. He would be an upgrade and could play in just about every teams top four. If a team is trying to solidify their defence or they get a few injuries on the back end then Motew could be a good option

 

[Krangers08]

I don’t often pay attention to preseason but I can’t help but notice how small the roster is this year. 1 extra forward ( who’s recovering from surgery) and 1 extra defender. Gotta be to smallest roster in the league. Will MM make a move or two before opening night? Perhaps for a late round pick.

 

[rangersblues]

I don’t often pay attention to preseason but I can’t help but notice how small the roster is this year. 1 extra forward ( who’s recovering from surgery) and 1 extra defender. Gotta be to smallest roster in the league. Will MM make a move or two before opening night? Perhaps for a late round pick.

Rangers have run like that for years now. A couple of injuries and an illness and we're not even icing a full lineup. I don't recall that ever happening years ago.

 

[LDN]

Yes I believe that Brzustewicz will be one of, if not the top defenceman made available for trade at the deadline. Martin however, needs to show that he can stay healthy and score at a pace that was expected of him last year. If he can do that, he will bring good return at the deadline.

Swick is an interesting case. In the off-season, based on his market value, I fully expected him to be a candidate to be an OA for us next year.

But in this preseason, and yes I know it’s just the preseason, he has been a beast out there. Using his size as a power forward and getting some points on the board. If he keeps that up, we may get some calls on him leading up to the deadline.

London would be interested I would think in having both brothers

 

[Jives]

The Rangers actually have a lot of movable assets if they dig deep enough.

Rehkopf could have a Beck like return from last year; 16 year old first round player, two seconds, third, fourth. That is only if Rehkopf puts up big point numbers

Brzustewicz could have a Kyrou like return from last year; 16 year old second round player, two seconds, third, fourth, fifth

Swick is in a category that not many players are. He is very tall and can still skate well. He was not drafted by an NHL team so he very likely is back as an over age player next season. Many teams would be looking for his service

Martin is big and can play physical and can score. He is everything that a playoff team looks for. He plays a playoff style of hockey. A team could view him as an upgrade as an overager

Sop just seems to be a point producing machine in preseason so far. 3 goals and 6 assists in four exhibition games. He won’t produce at that rate but if he is over PPG he could be an overage upgrade on many teams

Motew doesn’t do anything special but he just does everything right. I think he is high IQ type of defenceman. He would be an upgrade and could play in just about every teams top four. If a team is trying to solidify their defence or they get a few injuries on the back end then Motew could be a good option

Parsons - If he plays well he is a top 10 goalie in this league. Take a weaker experienced goalie back in the trade plus some picks.

Hamara - I think he is going to be a different player under Jussi. The skill is there. If you have a chance to exchange imports either taking a weaker older import back and adding some picks or just switching him for a younger import and less picks or zero picks both options have to be explored. This is all depending on Hamara having a great start to the season which I really think he is going to impress.

Misaljevic - 19 year old. Yes we probably want some options as an OA next year but it’s looking like he is starting with Carson and Swick which maybe 20 games into the season his value will never be as high as if could be with a quick start.

 

[rangersblues]

I get your point, but the utter pointlessness and waste of WWI when you study it is so overshadowed by the patriotism of remembrance of bravery and self sacrifice that the lesson's learned from it are generally the wrong one's imo. Many of those poor young men were conscripted and sold a false bill of goods that it would be some kind of grand adventure filled with travel and over soon; scarified by powers greater than themselves and often for little more than a few feet of dirt (that would be lost, retaken, lost, then retaken again etc). I think it's good to make sure to distinguish the Memorial Cup as a WWI trophy and not a blanket "all wars" trophy, thoigh.

It's also what the kids vying to play in it call it. I cut 'em a break because no one seems interested in actually teaching them about WWI now (outside of coach's telling graphic stories of a guy killing his friend by accident to emphasize not giving "suicide pass's" in summer hockey camp).
I've never liked "hockey lingo" though, and it's only gotten dumber as far as I can tell.

I agree with most of what you just said but perhaps the teams (or at least the Rangers) could teach 20 kids some history and respect.

 

[bobber]

Using a fishing analogy here. When fishermen are catching lots of fish they have a limit to follow. They put fish on a stringer when caught. If they catch a bigger fish they release a smaller fish from the stringer. The Hunters in London must be good fishermen. They project the skill level of players they draft and speculate how much impact they will have going forward. If they find an opportunity to improve their roster via trade they jump in quick. They have no qualms about moving players that don't fit their plans. Usually the trading partner is getting something of value but the Knights seem to find a way to come out on top in these deals. Even when they aren't considered contenders they can't be counted out of the mix. Keeping a team in the OHL up in the standings is not easy to accomplish. The Rangers have some talented rookies this year who need mentors like Rehkopf. They also have some bubble players from the last couple seasons that really haven't accomplished anything notable. Maybe they should look at moving a couple of these bottom dwelling vets and give their ice to rookies.

 

[bobber]

I agree with most of what you just said but perhaps the teams (or at least the Rangers) could teach 20 kids some history and respect.

Blues I see your point. It is a mistake to forget your history. Both my wife and I grew up in Wartime housing as our fathers were WW2 vets in France and Italy. These guys were 18 years old when they signed up. My father actually lost an eye to a land mine in France. At 17 he was a goaltender on a Intermediate A team that won the Ontario championship. He had to leave the team to volunteer for war. It's my experience that a lot of these vets died young from the stress of war including my father and father in law. Not sure how many people in today's society really respect what they did back then. It was a long time ago for most. Makes it difficult to be passionate for young people who only here stories about it. They look at the to great wars as ancient history in a lot of cases. I do like the fact that they named the Memorial Cup in honour of war vets.

 

[rve24]

London would be interested I would think in having both brothers

First ya wanna move LK D out, now you want to add a D?

 

[LDN]

First ya wanna move LK D out, now you want to add a D?

Yup lol

 

[Krangers08]

Kitchener seems to have a lot of NHL/AHL guys showing up at practices this year who are local to the area. I think this will be beneficial for the rookies and allow them to battle professionals in practice. Saw someone with a Calgary flames bag walk into the aud today.

 

[sbpointer]

London would be interested I would think in having both brothers

Disagree.. Not because of the quality of player to come in but his timeline doesnt make sense.
Who do you take off the current D core to accomodate?
Hunter Brzustewicz is going to return a big haul for Kitchener but not an area of need for London to pay up on..

If you are looking at a deal with the Rangers that might help an area of need I'd make a call on Jackson Parsons. Doesn't use an OA spot and wont come with the cost/risk of a Simpson..

Sorry Rangers fans... As you were...+

( Thanks Evensteven for pointing out my typo )