Kitchener Rangers 2022-23 Off-Season Thread (Part 4)

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Question on the Hunter trade potential..............Can he veto any trades? I'd hate to see us draft Henry and then Hunter decides to stay put in order to play with bro.
I’m betting he can veto trades. Likely a main box that he needed checked in order to sign here.

That being said, I think he’d welcome a trade to Saginaw. They’re hosting next year and it’s in his home state.

All this leads me to believe that the drafting of Henry by the Rangers isn’t a certainty. Brock’s mock draft having him going to the Bulldogs at #8 is telling.
 
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The Toronto Star mock draft has Moore going to London at #18.

If I’m the Rangers and I “know” Moore will report to the OHL if it’s the right team, I consider taking him in the 1st round if he’s still on the board.

If he won’t report here but he will report to, say, London where that mock draft has him going, then you work out a deal with the Knights either in September for a landslide of picks, or at the January trade deadline for a package of picks/player(s).

Just something to think about.
 

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Question on the Hunter trade potential..............Can he veto any trades? I'd hate to see us draft Henry and then Hunter decides to stay put in order to play with bro.
Anything is possible. Most of us on here really have no idea of what direction the team will take next season. Other than rebuilding. Can't go too much further down after 8th place. 7th last year. I guess if you go to 11th place your relegated to junior B . Kidding. Lots of speculation that the first round of the draft is almost set. Agents and players sending out preferences and telling teams not to draft players with the threat of them not reporting. I really have no idea if this is true only going by what people post on the draft thread. Hunter's parents could demand he stay here in order for the Rangers to get the brother in the draft. He seems to be interested by the hint we saw in some article. As Forest Gump said "The OHL draft is like a box of chocolates". Hey maybe Saginaw gets Henry and Hunter joins him there.
 
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The Toronto Star mock draft has Moore going to London at #18.

If I’m the Rangers and I “know” Moore will report to the OHL if it’s the right team, I consider taking him in the 1st round if he’s still on the board.

If he won’t report here but he will report to, say, London where that mock draft has him going, then you work out a deal with the Knights either in September for a landslide of picks, or at the January trade deadline for a package of picks/player(s).

Just something to think about.
I think you have to take guys who you know will come here...unless you know for sure he wants to go to London, then maybe take him with our natural 1st round pick this year. Wouldn't touch him with a 30 foot poll with our compensation pick.
 
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I think you have to take guys who you know will come here...unless you know for sure he wants to go to London, then maybe take him with our natural 1st round pick this year. Wouldn't touch him with a 30 foot poll with our compensation pick.
Wouldn’t make a difference what pick we’d take him with if it’s the comp pick situation you’re referring to.

We cannot do a defective player / comp pick two years in a row period.
 
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Wouldn’t make a difference what pick we’d take him with if it’s the comp pick situation you’re referring to.

We cannot do a defective player / comp pick two years in a row period.
This + London used up most of their extra picks trading for Dickinson this year. Doesn’t matter if a player has a preferred destination, no team can afford to pay for them every year.
 

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This + London used up most of their extra picks trading for Dickinson this year. Doesn’t matter if a player has a preferred destination, no team can afford to pay for them every year.
Post ‘23 draft, London will have the standard cost for an early 1st round ranked defective player.

They’ll have 3x2nds and 3x3rds available to make trades. That would be before they possibly acquire picks via trade over the summer.

I’m not betting they do attempt to deal for a defective player this year. Moore or anyone else. But they will have the assets to close a deal on one.
 
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Find it hilarious how some Knight fans fluff off the hit on Martin as an embellishment and find Pinelli's hit worthy of a suspension. I guess when you are "OHL royalty" you are to be treated with kid gloves.;) We all look at games with our rose coloured glasses I guess. Rangers made their bed.
According to Pope the Rangers have allowed 6 goals in the 1st or final minute of the 1st period. It is a pattern this season. Not including empty net goals they have allowed 35 goals this season in the 1st or final minute of a period. I think this issue goes back a long way. I remember one season when we had season tickets where the Rangers seemed to get scored on in the first minute or two every home game.
I think you should go back and look at the tape of Pinelli targeting Barkey’s head with his elbow. He never learned a dam thing with the suspension on the Peer hit. The Leonard hit WAS bad but Martin looked over his shoulder and stopped . Had he have continued forward and played the puck instead of setting up the hit it probably would have been 2 minutes for cross-checking. What game were you watching?
 

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I think you should go back and look at the tape of Pinelli targeting Barkey’s head with his elbow. He never learned a dam thing with the suspension on the Peer hit. The Leonard hit WAS bad but Martin looked over his shoulder and stopped . Had he have continued forward and played the puck instead of setting up the hit it probably would have been 2 minutes for cross-checking. What game were you watching?




Martin was on the receiving end of that hit. The onus is not on him. Is he supposed to look back and ask himself, is he going to run me into the boards?

Martin can look anywhere he wants. The responsibility is on Leonard to not run someone into the boards and to not lead with his stick.

We're all watching the same game. Leonard committed and he paid the price. It was a good call.
 

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Martin was on the receiving end of that hit. The onus is not on him. Is he supposed to look back and ask himself, is he going to run me into the boards?

Martin can look anywhere he wants. The responsibility is on Leonard to not run someone into the boards and to not lead with his stick.

We're all watching the same game. Leonard committed and he paid the price. It was a good call.
When Martin held up from going into the boards, Leonard had a choice to make and time to make it.

He chose wrong.
 

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Leonard didn’t react quick enough and it was a bad hit. At some point you have to decide in a split second not to finish check but I still believe Martin set himself up for it to some point. What about Pinelli’s elbow to the head? He targeted Barkey’s head and there is no way it can be shown different as video evidence confirms it. If he continues that bullshit at next level someone will had him his head on a plate.
 

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Leonard didn’t react quick enough and it was a bad hit. At some point you have to decide in a split second not to finish check but I still believe Martin set himself up for it to some point. What about Pinelli’s elbow to the head? He targeted Barkey’s head and there is no way it can be shown different as video evidence confirms it. If he continues that bullshit at next level someone will had him his head on a plate.
Seriously? You already posted your crazy crap once and got a reply. Why post the same crazy crap again except to antagonize?
 
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Leonard didn’t react quick enough and it was a bad hit. At some point you have to decide in a split second not to finish check but I still believe Martin set himself up for it to some point. What about Pinelli’s elbow to the head? He targeted Barkey’s head and there is no way it can be shown different as video evidence confirms it. If he continues that bullshit at next level someone will had him his head on a plate.
I don't think I've ever seen a case where someone said this, and the player in question's head was "had" to them at the next level. Usually just an emotional reaction to a play they didn't like from a fan that leads to fantasies of said player getting hurt at the next level.
 

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I think you should go back and look at the tape of Pinelli targeting Barkey’s head with his elbow. He never learned a dam thing with the suspension on the Peer hit. The Leonard hit WAS bad but Martin looked over his shoulder and stopped . Had he have continued forward and played the puck instead of setting up the hit it probably would have been 2 minutes for cross-checking. What game were you watching?
Superdee , your barking up the wrong tree with your green and gold glasses on. Talk to the refs. They make the calls . I never mentioned your handle anywhere and here you are sniping at me. Your crying over spilled milk. If Leonard gets suspended its not up to a bunch of armchair GMs on social media. Just silly talk.
 
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I doubt Leonard’s defence of his actions if he’s asked to explain himself will be, “But look at what Pinelli did!”

Bottom line, he had time to not make the hit but chose to anyway. As I said before, he’s lucky there wasn’t an injury on the play. This league suspends on the outcome of infractions every time.
 

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I doubt Leonard’s defence of his actions if he’s asked to explain himself will be, “But look at what Pinelli did!”

Bottom line, he had time to not make the hit but chose to anyway. As I said before, he’s lucky there wasn’t an injury on the play. This league suspends on the outcome of infractions every time.

Agreed bad hit. Leonard has to own it deal with the wheel.of justice lol. Glad No injury.
But as posted before, last series an OS player got a 5 n a game for a hit, with an injury. No additional games. No biggie. Who knows with this league office how they make decisions ( other than favour the Knights lol )

Really hoping LK can stop KW from getting this series back to the Aud. It wouldn't leave me feeling warm n fuzzy lol.
 
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I think you have to take guys who you know will come here...unless you know for sure he wants to go to London, then maybe take him with our natural 1st round pick this year. Wouldn't touch him with a 30 foot poll with our compensation pick.
Exactly. To quote MM in Brown's recent article:

"Expect the Rangers to focus on sure things this time around.

“This year we will definitely resort to being more selective,” said McKenzie. “I wouldn’t expect us to be looking at picking guys for two years down the line.”
 

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I doubt Leonard’s defence of his actions if he’s asked to explain himself will be, “But look at what Pinelli did!”

Bottom line, he had time to not make the hit but chose to anyway. As I said before, he’s lucky there wasn’t an injury on the play. This league suspends on the outcome of infractions every time.
Dale Hunter was asked after the game about reffing. He said something along the lines of the refs did a good job in this game. The refs did give him the benefit on a couple of calls where Knight players fell down like they were stoned and looked up at the refs like lost puppies. This is what I observed through my newly purchased blue coloured glasses.
 
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Leonard didn’t react quick enough and it was a bad hit. At some point you have to decide in a split second not to finish check but I still believe Martin set himself up for it to some point. What about Pinelli’s elbow to the head? He targeted Barkey’s head and there is no way it can be shown different as video evidence confirms it. If he continues that bullshit at next level someone will had him his head on a plate.
:blah::blah::blah: :rolleyes:
 
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If the Rangers decide to show up tonight they have an opportunity to still make this a series. Hope they come out and play hard nosed hockey and bring the series back to the Aud. This would be incredible. Can't imagine the atmosphere in the old barn if that were to happen. One more kick at the can tonight.
 

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Exactly. To quote MM in Brown's recent article:

"Expect the Rangers to focus on sure things this time around.

“This year we will definitely resort to being more selective,” said McKenzie. “I wouldn’t expect us to be looking at picking guys for two years down the line.”
That really doesn’t tell us a whole heck of a lot. I suppose it means he’ll not draft a 1st round ranked player who he hopes will report after a couple year in the Program (ie. Schmidt).

But if he has a Pinelli / Rehkopf situation in front of him, he’ll jump on it.

Which means taking a “flyer” in the 1st is a possibility.
 

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That really doesn’t tell us a whole heck of a lot. I suppose it means he’ll not draft a 1st round ranked player who he hopes will report after a couple year in the Program (ie. Schmidt).

But if he has a Pinelli / Rehkopf situation in front of him, he’ll jump on it.

Which means taking a “flyer” in the 1st is a possibility.
I saw a mock draft yesterday that had the Rangers taking a skilled Dman at 10th and Hunters bro Henry at 11th. In the report on Henry they thought it was stretching it taking him in the first round. The draft is a crap shoot particularly in the first round. Guess each team sits there with a list of players in a certain order and most will take the BPA up next on their pecking order.
 
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I saw a mock draft yesterday that had the Rangers taking a skilled Dman at 10th and Hunters bro Henry at 11th. In the report on Henry they thought it was stretching it taking him in the first round. The draft is a crap shoot particularly in the first round. Guess each team sits there with a list of players in a certain order and most will take the BPA up next on their pecking order.
I remember when we drafted Pinelli when he turned Windsor down, Windsor was seen as reaching for Wyatt Johnston, who was more like a late 1st to 2nd rounder, and he's turned out to be one of the best players of that draft, graduating to the NHL early and putting up 20+ goals and 40+ points in the NHL.
 

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I remember when we drafted Pinelli when he turned Windsor down, Windsor was seen as reaching for Wyatt Johnston, who was more like a late 1st to 2nd rounder, and he's turned out to be one of the best players of that draft, graduating to the NHL early and putting up 20+ goals and 40+ points in the NHL.
Spits have a knack for finding these highly skilled forwards. They seem to have a player or two high up in the stats column every year. When you look at the NHL draft , scouts have to project how they suppose a certain young player will develop further down the road. I guess it's the same deal with the OHL draft. Some players adapt quicker than others to the speed and size of this league. All the scouting reports on prospects sound glowing. Players drafted look great amongst peers in the rookie camp. As an example Hage made something happen every time he had the puck on his stick last year. Then reality sets in at the main camp when you see vets skating circles around some rookies. It will be interesting to see who the Rangers pick. They will target some certain players but they could be gone by the tenth pick.
 

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The player I saw the Rangers taking in a mock draft the other day was RHD Rylan Singn. 5'8" 145 lbs. Supposedly a slippery offensive defenseman. Saw his name on another GTA list only ranking at about number 30 for that league. I doubt they take him but who knows? A few years back I saw Ryan Murphy on an obscure scouting list and mentioned it not thinking they would take him.
 
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