Value of: Kirby Dach

[Buffdog]

Is this the same Kirby Dach who was untouchable in a PLD trade becaue he was destined for the HHOF?

 

[Sasha Orlov]

No point trading him, he can’t stay healthy and isn’t that good

Better to just keep him and hope for the best

 

[bud12]

Is this the same Kirby Dach who was untouchable in a PLD trade becaue he was destined for the HHOF?

Yes the same who would still not be traded for PLD.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

Is this the same Kirby Dach who was untouchable in a PLD trade becaue he was destined for the HHOF?

More like, no one sane would trade positive value assets for an overpaid bitch like Dubois. That doesn’t make Dach untouchable, though.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Is this the same Kirby Dach who was untouchable in a PLD trade becaue he was destined for the HHOF?

You mean the PLD who ended up being a cap dump less than a year after his acquisition? If so, then yes, it’s the same Kirby Dach

 

[Buffdog]

You mean the PLD who ended up being a cap dump less than a year after his acquisition? If so, then yes, it’s the same Kirby Dach

Yeah, the guy who has 45 more points than Dach over last season and this season because getting hit with a light breeze doesn't put him on IR for the season

 

[Baksfamous112]

Yeah, the guy who has 45 more points than Dach over last season and this season because getting hit with a light breeze doesn't put him on IR for the season

Dach played a game and a half.

Also, if I remember properly, you were one of biggest Dach fanboy at the time and expressed multiple times that he NEEDED to be added to any deals including PLD.

Weren’t you also the biggest Laine fanboy ever telling everyone how he is easily a top 5 winger in the league then started sh*tting on him the second he left Winnipeg?

We have a name for those kind of people here. I’m sure you can figured it out what it is

 

[sansabri]

lol he's not going anywhere

 

[Buffdog]

Dach played a game and a half.

Also, if I remember properly, you were one of biggest Dach fanboy at the time and expressed multiple times that he NEEDED to be added to any deals including PLD.

Weren’t you also the biggest Laine fanboy ever telling everyone how he is easily a top 5 winger in the league then started sh*tting on him the second he left Winnipeg?

We have a name for those kind of people here. I’m sure you can figured it out what it is

Exactly (to the bolded). The guy is a walking bandaid

Yes, I was pushing for Dach in a PLD trade. I still think it would have worked out well for both sides (thus my comment in this thread - I found it ironic that a Habs poster wants to move him)

No, I'm not that Laine guy

So take your word (whatever it is) and apply it to someone else

Anyway, I hope you continue to enjoy your perpetual rebuild. Maybe someday it will get better for Habs fans

 

[Snuggs]

RHD Justin Holl, 2nd round pick, 4th round pick, and F Elmer Soderblom(prospect).

Red Wings can afford to roll the dice and play him on the wing with Compher/Kane, Kasper/Tarasenko or Larkin/Raymond.

Idk why Montreal trades him, they'll never get good value.

 

[Eegs]

Is this the same Kirby Dach who was untouchable in a PLD trade becaue he was destined for the HHOF?

The hyperbole is strong in this one.

 

[Northernhawk]

Gavrikov LA for Dach

 

[Baksfamous112]

Exactly (to the bolded). The guy is a walking bandaid

Yes, I was pushing for Dach in a PLD trade. I still think it would have worked out well for both sides (thus my comment in this thread - I found it ironic that a Habs poster wants to move him)

No, I'm not that Laine guy

So take your word (whatever it is) and apply it to someone else

Anyway, I hope you continue to enjoy your perpetual rebuild. Maybe someday it will get better for Habs fans

How would that have worked out for Winnipeg if Dach can’t stay healthy as you previously said?

Also, Habs are in year 3 of a rebuild. Not sure where you’re going with your perpetual rebuild but we both know where they’re headed and it’s to a bright future whether you want to admit it or not

 

[Barsky]

The entire Habs team isn’t doing well. Dach on the block would return a ton for the Habs. Not seeing them doing that though. He’d be impossible to replace.

Davidson sure didn't think he was impossible to replace and I imagine you and Hughes won't think so either by the time he's an RFA, if not sooner

 

[Buffdog]

How would that have worked out for Winnipeg if Dach can’t stay healthy as you previously said?

Also, Habs are in year 3 of a rebuild. Not sure where you’re going with your perpetual rebuild but we both know where they’re headed and it’s to a bright future whether you want to admit it or not

We ended up with Vilardi, who is another bandaid - so it would have been equivalent lol

As for your rebuild, they can take a decade or more - in fact, ask Buffalo fans. And Detroit fans. And all the other markets where the idea of tanking didn't work

It *almost* worked in edmonton, but look at the volume of top 5 picks they've had

Just because you're adding top 10 picks each draft doesn't mean you might not ever see a winning team in the next decade

The hyperbole is strong in this one.

I'm just repeating what I was told by Habs fans a couple of years ago

 

[Mats26]

Dach's career ended when Makar undressed him for that beauty of a goal.

 

[McJedi]

As is often the case with the Habs fan base, a large portion of it has badly overvalued the Habs players.

Dach, Dvorak, Newhook, Savard. These guys simply don't carry the value y'all wish or believe they did.

And the Habs don't win all their trades. Not under MB and not under Hughes.

I don't see the platform or reason for the Habs to trade either of Dach or Newhook today. If the expectation is they'll return picks.... who replaces them in the lineup?

Dach's career ended when Makar undressed him for that beauty of a goal.

It really ended when he hurt his arm in the WJC.

Started the long list of injuries he's suffered that have derailed his development.

I remember Gabriel Landeskog getting suspended for hitting Dach on a play where Kirby lost an edge but kept trying to dangle the puck from his knees along the boards. Landy just skated over and played the body and crushed him. I'm thinking... what is this kid doing trying to dangle the puck when he's in such a vulnerable position. It was a dumb play by Dach. He's not a smart player when it comes to protecting his body. Byram wasn't either when he joined the NHL. Byram always tried to hold the puck that extra second to make the right play and often took some big hits for it. Girard was the same earlier in his career.

Both of them eventually learned the season is 82 games long. Don't try to make the perfect play most times. Let go of the puck a bit sooner and avoid taking a hit you don't need too. Dach never learned this lesson. He assumed his size protects him. But not in the NHL where you're playing a man's game that charges a man's price to play.

 

[Barsky]

lol he's not going anywhere

Correct, cause no one wants a giant made of glass on a planet with earth's gravity. He'd do good on the moon though I'm sure

 

[Baksfamous112]

We ended up with Vilardi, who is another bandaid - so it would have been equivalent lol

As for your rebuild, they can take a decade or more - in fact, ask Buffalo fans. And Detroit fans. And all the other markets where the idea of tanking didn't work

It *almost* worked in edmonton, but look at the volume of top 5 picks they've had

Just because you're adding top 10 picks each draft doesn't mean you might not ever see a winning team in the next decade


I'm just repeating what I was told by Habs fans a couple of years ago

They can if you start from scratch but Montreal started theirs with a decent group of kids to build off and a good prospect pool.

They have all the tools to exit the rebuild now. They just need more experience as a group and a top 4 RHD in his prime to ease in the next group of young D.

It’s hard to be truly competitive when 4/6 of your D corp has under 110 games of experience in the league.

As is often the case with the Habs fan base, a large portion of it has badly overvalued the Habs players.

Dach, Dvorak, Newhook, Savard. These guys simply don't carry the value y'all wish or believe they did.

And the Habs don't win all their trades. Not under MB and not under Hughes.

I don't see the platform or reason for the Habs to trade either of Dach or Newhook today. If the expectation is they'll return picks.... who replaces them in the lineup?

That’s the point some fans can’t understand. Habs are not subtracting any more for picks and Newhook was never brought to be a core player but much needed depth down the line-up.

Newhook doesn’t need to be more than a speedy forechecker who puts up 35-45 points and it’s just fine like that. Role players are important too.

 

[HuGo Sham]

this thread is embarrassing.. he's basically played a handful of games over the last 18 months. No one knows what he is yet.
imo, at worst he's a top 6 winger with size - if he can't play consistently at C - which as mentioned, he's not in game shape yet.
Injuries remain a concern, but let's see.
Way too early to give up on him, or newhook for that matter.
Some fellow habs fans losing their f***ing minds over a 4-5-1 start which is the same record as like 4 other teams in the Atlantic

 

[ManofSteel55]

Does he come with a warranty?

 

[Frank Drebin]

Dach at 1 goal five points and minus 9 is your definition of great?

Let me guess Hutson is doing great as well?

Dach was a bust when the habs acquired him and the fact that the hawks dumped him at 21 after being a 3rd overall pick was a pretty big red flag.

Yes, blackhawks were definitely a team to follow at the time

 

[Barsky]

this thread is embarrassing.. he's basically played a handful of games over the last 18 months. No one knows what he is yet.
imo, at worst he's a top 6 winger with size - if he can't play consistently at C - which as mentioned, he's not in game shape yet.
Injuries remain a concern, but let's see.
Way too early to give up on him, or newhook for that matter.
Some fellow habs fans losing their f***ing mind over a 4-5-1 start which is the same record as like 4 other teams in the Atlantic

It's insane that any fans are mad about the start, Montreal is in a rebuild, the goal should have been to be 0-10-0. They've only missed the playoffs for 3 years now and a proper rebuild should see them out for 5 at least. they still need a few more high end picks, and then need them to actually work out, better than Newhook and Dach so far at least

 

[HuGo Sham]

It's insane that any fans are mad about the start, Montreal is in a rebuild, the goal should have been to be 0-10-0. They've only missed the playoffs for 3 years now and a proper rebuild should see them out for 5 at least. they still need a few more high end picks, and then need them to actually work out, better than Newhook and Dach so far at least

yes. Agreed.
Friedman just mentioned that hughes already said they aren't touching pieces of the rebuild for short term gains.
It's guys likes dvorak, armia, savard etc that are being moved for whatever.
As of today, habs have 4 picks in the top 50 of the 2025 draft.