Kingston Frontenacs 2024 25 Season Thread Part Iii

[ScoutLife4]

There are a lot of guys on both teams that have history going back to minor hockey days both as former teammates and opponents - lots of the GTA/Durham region rival stuff, for what that's worth.

Every team in the O has that though to some degree.
This is where Burns needs to keep composure and lead by example. -Its often him losing it against Oshawa.

I was in Peterborough last night and he was single handedly the one that caused the game to come back within reach for Peterborough early on when they made a push on that ridiculous cross check after the play in front of his net.
Burns spent the next several shifts on the bench and the team i think took note and stopped getting pulled into stupid penalties.
I was sitting with all the scratched Kingston players and even they were like what the f*** is he doing lol.
Betts did defend Burns saying it was because the Peterborough player postured up in front of Vaccari.

 

[frontsfan67]

Every team in the O has that though to some degree.
This is where Burns needs to keep composure and lead by example. -Its often him losing it against Oshawa.

I was in Peterborough last night and he was single handedly the one that caused the game to come back within reach for Peterborough early on when they made a push on that ridiculous cross check after the play in front of his net.
Burns spent the next several shifts on the bench and the team i think took note and stopped getting pulled into stupid penalties.
I was sitting with all the scratched Kingston players and even they were like what the f*** is he doing lol.
Betts did defend Burns saying it was because the Peterborough player postured up in front of Vaccari.

Yeah he absolutely loses his cool I’ve noticed against the teams in our division but especially Oshawa since over the last few years they’ve probably been Kingstons #1 rival. Goes back to the wright draft year with Stewart, Poole, Heyes etc all of them going at it with Oshawa and burns is tight with them off the ice.

However I believe they showed a stat last game and it was something like 24 pims in 7 games and that was before last game vs Oshawa. For a guy with 90+ pims and over 20 of them coming against 1 team it’s pretty clear he has to keep his composure especially against them and especially if we end up playing them in the playoffs in the near future.

 

[leafs4life94]

Yeah he absolutely loses his cool I’ve noticed against the teams in our division but especially Oshawa since over the last few years they’ve probably been Kingstons #1 rival. Goes back to the wright draft year with Stewart, Poole, Heyes etc all of them going at it with Oshawa and burns is tight with them off the ice.

However I believe they showed a stat last game and it was something like 24 pims in 7 games and that was before last game vs Oshawa. For a guy with 90+ pims and over 20 of them coming against 1 team it’s pretty clear he has to keep his composure especially against them and especially if we end up playing them in the playoffs in the near future.

Just looked at the stats and he has 31 PIMs against Oshawa - all coming in 5 games.

Looking back through the games -
Sep 27 - 2 for slashing and 2 for tripping
Oct 25 - 14 of the 31 PIMs came in this game when he got instigated upon twice, both hits had minors along side (check to the head and elbowing).
Dec 1 - 7 PIMs, 2 for High Stick (usually reckless) and 5 for being instigated upon
Jan 3 - 2 for High Stick
Feb 23 - 2 for Unsportsmanlike - this was a reputation call at the beginning of the third, I don't remember exactly what happened but I remember thinking if it's anyone other than Burns (or maybe Hay) it's not a penalty

It's not nearly as many undisciplined penalties as I would've guessed - I would've bet thousands of dollars he'd had a roughing penalty against them at some point year.

Regardless - he has to pick his spots - not much you can do about being instigated upon, but in all 3 cases it was a net win for Oshawa because Kingston loses 5 minutes of Burns, while they only lose Torrance/Sandhu/O'Toole.

 

[Logosarejusttargets]

Every team in the O has that though to some degree.
This is where Burns needs to keep composure and lead by example. -Its often him losing it against Oshawa.

I was in Peterborough last night and he was single handedly the one that caused the game to come back within reach for Peterborough early on when they made a push on that ridiculous cross check after the play in front of his net.
Burns spent the next several shifts on the bench and the team i think took note and stopped getting pulled into stupid penalties.
I was sitting with all the scratched Kingston players and even they were like what the f*** is he doing lol.
Betts did defend Burns saying it was because the Peterborough player postured up in front of Vaccari.

I was there as well. I understand why Burns did what he did- the fact that it was Stonehouse and that he’d done the exact same move every shift he was on, often skating within inches of the goalie.

 

[Logosarejusttargets]

Just looked at the stats and he has 31 PIMs against Oshawa - all coming in 5 games.

Looking back through the games -
Sep 27 - 2 for slashing and 2 for tripping
Oct 25 - 14 of the 31 PIMs came in this game when he got instigated upon twice, both hits had minors along side (check to the head and elbowing).
Dec 1 - 7 PIMs, 2 for High Stick (usually reckless) and 5 for being instigated upon
Jan 3 - 2 for High Stick
Feb 23 - 2 for Unsportsmanlike - this was a reputation call at the beginning of the third, I don't remember exactly what happened but I remember thinking if it's anyone other than Burns (or maybe Hay) it's not a penalty

It's not nearly as many undisciplined penalties as I would've guessed - I would've bet thousands of dollars he'd had a roughing penalty against them at some point year.

Regardless - he has to pick his spots - not much you can do about being instigated upon, but in all 3 cases it was a net win for Oshawa because Kingston loses 5 minutes of Burns, while they only lose Torrance/Sandhu/O'Toole.

Well good thing we will not see that come to fruition as Brampton will win.

 

[TrustInPuck]

For those hoping Lardis would miss tonight. Unfortunately not. Lardis will play tonight

 

[TrustInPuck]

Lineup for Kingston against Brantford tonight:

Battaglia-Guindon-Uronen
Miedema-Hopkins-Willis
Pickell-Hay-Heyes
Clark-Dervin-Soto

Burns-Bishop
Pieniniemi-Uens
McGowan-Williamson

Schenkel starts

The same lineup as last night's game against Peterborough. If Kingston loses tonight, Brantford clinches the #1 spot in the east and will likely lock Kingston into a first-round series against Sudbury. If they win, they'll have an excellent chance at #1 on Sunday against a Brampton team likely resting their top stars.

 

[frontsfan67]

I was there as well. I understand why Burns did what he did- the fact that it was Stonehouse and that he’d done the exact same move every shift he was on, often skating within inches of the goalie.

That’s the type of game Stonehouse has always played. Good riddance to him thank god we don’t have to play him again. Always playing right on the line. The Pete’s announcer even said so.

I’m okay with burns roughing it up with the guy for that- protecting the goalie but if you’re going to take one make sure the other guy goes too. Don’t like the cross checking for example- just a frustration penalty and never a good time for that. If anything try and drop gloves with guy or rag doll him and usually the refs give coinciding minors

 

[frontsfan67]

Lineup for Kingston against Brantford tonight:

Battaglia-Guindon-Uronen
Miedema-Hopkins-Willis
Pickell-Hay-Heyes
Clark-Dervin-Soto

Burns-Bishop
Pieniniemi-Uens
McGowan-Williamson

Schenkel starts

The same lineup as last night's game against Peterborough. If Kingston loses tonight, Brantford clinches the #1 spot in the east and will likely lock Kingston into a first-round series against Sudbury. If they win, they'll have an excellent chance at #1 on Sunday against a Brampton team likely resting their top stars.

Gotta win tonight for sure. Have to absolutely lock down Lardis. If he scores he usually scores in bunches as of late. Last time he was against us we broke his streak of 17 games in a row with a goal.

Starts there and then we have to get lots of shots on Leenders and make it tough on him- he is great so those shots that catch the goalie off guard, they’ll have to do a lot of that tonight.

Hope they win this- biggest game of the season obviously.

 

[ottsabrefan]

I really hope Kingston is reading stuff that's said online and using it as a chip on their shoulder - even though they have a very real shot at 1st, I've seen on several other teams boards and other social media that Kingston is considered clearly the 4th best team in the East, several teams wanting to play Kingston, talking about how teams will have to go through Barrie and Brantford to make it out of the East.

I get Kingston has the stink of no success over the past X years, but it never fails to surprise me at how overlooked this team is.

25-6-2 at home this year (best in the East), probably the deepest group of forwards in the East - 7 20 goal scorers (Soto needs 2 more to get there too), 10 10 goal scorers (and Pieniniemi). Barrie is similar depth-wise but they don't have any 30 goal scorers, let alone 40.

Goes without saying - tonight needs to be a statement game to prove to people they actually belong.

You mentioned their offence, but comparing the goalies though might be your answer as to why they aren’t being respected. If they don’t get better goaltending they may not make it out of the first round.

 

[leafs4life94]

Kingston doesn't deserve to be in this game, but Reid is an embarrassment to all refs.

 

[Logosarejusttargets]

Kingston doesn't deserve to be in this game, but Reid is an embarrassment to all refs.

Absolutely. What a lazy and pathetic excuse for a ref.

 

[leafs4life94]

Absolutely. What a lazy and pathetic excuse for a ref.

I have never seen a scrum where a ref calls out one person, sends them to the box and then takes a person from the other team after they had gone back to the bench. Heyes had rightfully thought he had drawn a penalty, just to be sat down himself.... Brutal...

 

[beastintheeast]

Seems that one team wanted it more. OK But it is going to be an easier run against the Wolves should be a good series.