Kingston Frontenacs 2024-25 Season Thread, Part I

leafs4life94

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Wasn’t Dervin signed for next season? I thought he may get the odd game here or there but he was going to finish the season (and school year) at St Andrews. I imagine yesterday and today may have conflicted with his schedule at St Andrews. They play Shattuck St Mary’s yesterday and today.

Next weekend they are in Groton Mass playing a three game tournament Thursday through Saturday.
Yeah it was mostly for next season but he played with them on Friday so I assumed he'd be with them all weekend on the road.

He didn't play with SAC yesterday, but you're right he's back in their lineup today.
 

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Yeah it was mostly for next season but he played with them on Friday so I assumed he'd be with them all weekend on the road.

He didn't play with SAC yesterday, but you're right he's back in their lineup today.
He played with SAC yesterday and scored the GWG

2:00:29 at this link
 
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I'd have to take a look back through their OT losses but off the top of my head it's defensive lapses and questionable shot selection leading to plays the other way.
What if it's related to the coaching staff putting the same players out who don't get the job done?
Kitchener hit a post and fired a puck into an open cage in the last OT game.

The Fronts coach only trusts a select few, this is why next year is going to be very interesting to watch with him at the helm when he's actually forced to play rookies and 2nd year players.

Hopefully ownership isn't cheaping out on the scouting side of things this hockey season or next year could be dicey
 

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What if it's related to the coaching staff putting the same players out who don't get the job done?
Kitchener hit a post and fired a puck into an open cage in the last OT game.

The Fronts coach only trusts a select few, this is why next year is going to be very interesting to watch with him at the helm when he's actually forced to play rookies and 2nd year players.

Hopefully ownership isn't cheaping out on the scouting side of things this hockey season or next year could be dicey
100% agree, but what surprised me is that they gave Dervin got icetime over several other guys - I don't remember seeing Heyes or McNamara out there at all.

Looking back through the OT losses and who's on the ice:
Ottawa - Uens, Battaglia, Soto
Erie - McGowan, Uens, Guindon (PP goal with Burns in the box)
Brantford - Pieniniemi, Battaglia, Hopkins
Niagara - Pieniniemi, Battaglia, McNamara
Kitchener - Uronen, McGowan, Hopkins

Their one OT win it was Guindon, Miedema and Williamson.

Battaglia being on for 3/4 ES OT goals isn't a great look - I get he's their best player offensively but if he doesn't have the puck he's a liability.
 

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That is an absolutely awful major call. Absolutely a minor, but in no world was there any kind of excessive force to warrant a major...

Now Kingston likely loses Burns for a game or two, while Pieniniemi will be gone at the juniors. Wonderful.
 

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Absolutely awful effort. There's not a single Frontenac playing a good game. I don't care if it's the end of a 3-in-3 there's no excuse for such a putrid effort
 

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That is an absolutely awful major call. Absolutely a minor, but in no world was there any kind of excessive force to warrant a major...

Now Kingston likely loses Burns for a game or two, while Pieniniemi will be gone at the juniors. Wonderful.
I agree. From bad to worse for this defence.

If they have to overpay on picks for Gibson get it done. Just don’t trade Hopkins. They really need a guy like Gibson or Andonovski or cam allen.

They play pieniniemi and burns probably 30 mins a night. McGowan and Williamson are alright, would probably be 5th and 6th d on an OHL champion calibre team and they’re our 3rd and 4th best d men.

Gotta pick up a top pairing rhd and a top 4 rhd imo.

Would like that and a guy like Trent swick or Connor clattenburg on flint- someone who has some size and can play top 9, and can be a physical presence if need be.

If they make 3 moves like that im not sure they need to get a better goalie because these better d men won’t be giving the other team that some of the chances that some of our d do.

But if they really are serious about contending a better goalie needs to be a move too. I don’t care if they empty out all the picks. Make a run this year. next year start the tear down process. I don’t like this middling crap. You’re either in or you’re out. Don’t trade Hopkins either cause then you need to replace his value too.
 

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If they pull the trigger on an OA goalie upgrade I don't think it'll be a crazy price, particularly because I don't think there's a major market so they could get a Parsons or Schenkel for a pick or two - if that's enough to get them on the market.

I'm conflicted on a forward OA upgrade. I think I said at the beginning of the year I'd be very disappointed if Heyes was around because I felt like he was ripe for an upgrade but credit to him, he's been a lot better than I thought, already clearing his career high in points and one of the few players that consistently plays with some jam.

If they keep Heyes, that definitely increases the cost of a forward but even though it sucks other teams' cycles are peaking this year they're too deep invested, so as far as I'm concerned empty the pick stash and focus on recouping next year with Battaglia, some OAs and maalyne Hopkins.
Hounds might do Schenkel for like Weir and a 2nd Seems like a change of scenery is needed for the latter.
 

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I agree. From bad to worse for this defence.

If they have to overpay on picks for Gibson get it done. Just don’t trade Hopkins. They really need a guy like Gibson or Andonovski or cam allen.

They play pieniniemi and burns probably 30 mins a night. McGowan and Williamson are alright, would probably be 5th and 6th d on an OHL champion calibre team and they’re our 3rd and 4th best d men.

Gotta pick up a top pairing rhd and a top 4 rhd imo.
Defence is a weakness, but consider this: You lost Burns for a couple of games. However, if, as you thought he might, he had gotten a WJC spot, you would be down your top[ 2] for six weeks.

OA defenceman will be a problem for you. If you get an OA D Do you give up Heyes and them have to move up Weir to more ice time?

The player you need is Mews, but I wonder if Boyd would trade or if you could afford the price. You seriously need to be looking at 19-year-old players and forget about OA.
Would like that and a guy like Trent swick or Connor clattenburg on flint- someone who has some size and can play top 9, and can be a physical presence if need be.

If they make 3 moves like that im not sure they need to get a better goalie because these better d men won’t be giving the other team that some of the chances that some of our d do.

It's the same thing. You can not look at OA and say that it is the player we need; it is like going into the store with just enough money to buy a Coke or bag of chips. If you get one then you have to get rid of something else. If you get rid of 3 OAs in trades, then you have to release 3 OAs. Is losing your tiop center going to help you?
But if they really are serious about contending a better goalie needs to be a move too.
It's the same with a goalie; forget about OA. The only one that might be worthwhile is Flores, but then we Schenkel. But consider also the defence that is in front of these guys. If you have a good defence, then they can make any average goalie look good
I don’t care if they empty out all the picks. Make a run this year. next year start the tear down process. I don’t like this middling crap. You’re either in or you’re out. Don’t trade Hopkins either cause then you need to replace his value too.

Going all in if you have the parts is good, but right now, the Fronts do not have all the parts. Consider that you got hammered by one of the teams you will be competing with for players.

Middling, as you put it, is never a good thing, but in some cases, it is the only thing you can do. Kingston ended up in this position by bad trades and bad drafting. Yes, you drafted players that had good scoring touches. However, they did not look at the character and had to trade 2 important pieces for this year and drafted a player who told everyone he would not report. That is what hurt this team.


That is why this year you are not the powerhouse that you should be.
 

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100% agree, but what surprised me is that they gave Dervin got icetime over several other guys - I don't remember seeing Heyes or McNamara out there at all.

Looking back through the OT losses and who's on the ice:
Ottawa - Uens, Battaglia, Soto
Erie - McGowan, Uens, Guindon (PP goal with Burns in the box)
Brantford - Pieniniemi, Battaglia, Hopkins
Niagara - Pieniniemi, Battaglia, McNamara
Kitchener - Uronen, McGowan, Hopkins

Their one OT win it was Guindon, Miedema and Williamson.

Battaglia being on for 3/4 ES OT goals isn't a great look - I get he's their best player offensively but if he doesn't have the puck he's a liability.
Maybe sitting on the bench during OT with the coach explaining why would be a wake up call. In OT, you need players who can score but also players who can get back and help.

I am just trying to get a perspective of Battabglia, so please don't shoot me, but he sounds a little like Moon. Is that a fair comparison?
 

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