Proposal: Kings/Sens

[Neiler]

Alex Formenton for Matt Roy

Hate to give up Formenton with the breakaway speed but I feel like adding Roy would really make a solid addition to the senators defence for the next couple years and give them some flexibility to use some assets to maybe grab Fiala or someone. Zaitsev would be sent to another planet if possible.

LA seems to have some strong RD youth coming through so it makes me wonder if Roy could be available.

Am I underselling or overselling Roy?

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[Lt Dan]

underselling. I don't think he is available either. Walker will be though

 

[stempniaksen]

The five year age gap alone has me questioning this and I'm probably lower than a lot of Sens fans on Formenton.

This isn't the case in a Roy deal specifically, but I'd rather give up Formenton++ for a more significant upgrade/younger piece or give up less than Formenton for more of a placeholder for the other RD's in the Sens system.

While Roy is absolutely an upgrade, I question if it's only a short term upgrade on a team that, while looking to take a step, isn't looking at shortening a potential contention window.

 

[JKG33]

Honestly not a bad offer and it's awfully tempting for LA. But even with Doughty-Durzi on the right side I'd still rather wait to move Roy and/or Walker until Clarke and Faber are in the NHL

 

[Kurrilino]

I guess i would be in favor for that trade.
Hate to give up Roy and his aggressiveness though

 

[Fat Elvis]

Formenton for Durzi

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Pass; Formenton being available only for a clear upgrade in the forward position; not D.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Sens already have 6 Dmen "fighting" for 2 spots next year (Chabot, Holden, Hamonic, and Zub likely being locks):
Zaitsev, MDZ, Sanderson, JBD, Thomson, Brannstrom

Shipping out forwards for Dmen is not what the Sens should be doing is what I'm saying. Not unless it's a no brainer, which this isn't IMO.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Walker for a 4th.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Alex Formenton for Matt Roy

Hate to give up Formenton with the breakaway speed but I feel like adding Roy would really make a solid addition to the senators defence for the next couple years and give them some flexibility to use some assets to maybe grab Fiala or someone. Zaitsev would be sent to another planet if possible.

LA seems to have some strong RD youth coming through so it makes me wonder if Roy could be available.

Am I underselling or overselling Roy?

In a world where we move Zaitsev, or where we didn't get Hamonic, or where we add a very good top 6er without losing anyone significant from our roster? Hell ya. Value favours Ottawa... but not sure it fits from a team needs perspective

 

[Neiler]

Chabot - Zub
Sanderson - Roy
Holden - Hamonic

Would be the best d-core they've had in ages. Really need a solid guy for Sanderson because it he gets stapled to Zaitsev fans are going to burn down the CTC

 

[KevinRedkey]

Chabot - Zub
Sanderson - Roy
Holden - Hamonic

Would be the best d-core they've had in ages. Really need a solid guy for Sanderson because it he gets stapled to Zaitsev fans are going to burn down the CTC

I'm hoping he gets paired with Zub and we sign Jan Rutta to play with Chabot.

 

[unicornpig]

Sens already have 6 Dmen "fighting" for 2 spots next year (Chabot, Holden, Hamonic, and Zub likely being locks):
Zaitsev, MDZ, Sanderson, JBD, Thomson, Brannstrom

Shipping out forwards for Dmen is not what the Sens should be doing is what I'm saying. Not unless it's a no brainer, which this isn't IMO.

that doesnt mean anything, just means you have a lot of bad defenseman. roy would be a lock.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

IMO we need Formenton far more than Roy.

Formenton will be a pivotal piece for our 2nd or 3rd line. His skill set is more unique.

Like @Kevin8se7en said, you sign someone even like Rutta with Chabot and you're doing well.

Formenton, if ever traded, will be for a top tier player on F or D.

The value, though, is pretty good.

 

[Altimus]

im too attached to Formy, deal me out. Our right side improves by subtraction aka Zaitsev.

 

[bert]

Why so sens fans hate Formenton I do not get it.

 

[Clamshells]

Why so sens fans hate Formenton I do not get it.

Same with Connor Brown. Some people just seem so insistent on dismantling the 3rd line and top PK unit for some bewildering reason.

 

[Akrapovince]

Formenton is a future Blake Coleman, Barclay Goodrow type player. Players you need to win. His speed alone keeps players on their heels.

I also have an affinity for talent that we’ve drafted and developed ourselves. He has a pretty unique skill set (kind of), great mix of speed and grittiness. This team is built upon players like him.


Someone fill me in, how good is Roy? Is he LA’s equivalent to Zub? And would Kleven, Thomson, JBD ever be able to fill a position that Roy would? Looking up and down our pipeline, I don’t see anyone with 20 goal PK upside like I see with Formenton.

 

[bert]

Formenton is a future Blake Coleman, Barclay Goodrow type player. Players you need to win. His speed alone keeps players on their heels.

I also have an affinity for talent that we’ve drafted and developed ourselves. He has a pretty unique skill set (kind of), great mix of speed and grittiness. This team is built upon players like him.


Someone fill me in, how good is Roy? Is he LA’s equivalent to Zub? And would Kleven, Thomson, JBD ever be able to fill a position that Roy would? Looking up and down our pipeline, I don’t see anyone with 20 goal PK upside like I see with Formenton.

Formenton is way ahead of both those players at this age. That's the crazy part, he made the WJC team at 18. He isn't close to done developing. So many sens fans label him as a career 3rd liner ready to trade him at the drop of a hat. Makes no sense.

 

[Akrapovince]

Formenton is way ahead of both those players at this age. That's the crazy part, he made the WJC team at 18. He isn't close to done developing. So many sens fans label him as a career 3rd liner ready to trade him at the drop of a hat. Makes no sense.

Until there is another alternative, Formenton with Stützle & Batherson is a great top six line.

I think Formenton in terms of effectiveness will be similar to Brown. A player that can play all throughout the top nine.

Something I’m glad the Senators didn’t do is pigeon hole Formenton into a defensive specialist and stunt his growth. He could’ve turned into a fourth line speedster that PKs the way some other teams develop.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Someone fill me in, how good is Roy? Is he LA’s equivalent to Zub? And would Kleven, Thomson, JBD ever be able to fill a position that Roy would? Looking up and down our pipeline, I don’t see anyone with 20 goal PK upside like I see with Formenton.

I think that's the best way to put it, could probably make an argument +/- for either guy. I think Kleven or JBD would grow into that role but Roy is there now, excellent placeholder and replacement for Zaitsev.

But as others have mentioned probably not at the cost of Formenton.

 

[Akrapovince]

I think that's the best way to put it, could probably make an argument +/- for either guy. I think Kleven or JBD would grow into that role but Roy is there now, excellent placeholder and replacement for Zaitsev.

But as others have mentioned probably not at the cost of Formenton.

I would assume you guys put Roy’s value at around 1st + b prospect if he had to be moved? Because that would be my expectation for Zub.

I don’t think Formenton is worth a first + b prospect if I’m completely honest.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I would assume you guys put Roy’s value at around 1st + b prospect if he had to be moved? Because that would be my expectation for Zub.

I don’t think Formenton is worth a first + b prospect if I’m completely honest.

Value wise probably, yet it's tough to pull the trigger because the Kings don't really need any more B prospects, like mentioned above for the sens, Kings kind of need young sure-thing NHLers or bluechippers. Maybe for an equivalent LHD or goalie.

 

[Neiler]

Why so sens fans hate Formenton I do not get it.

It's quite the opposite - much rather have him on the roster with the breakaway speed and other great qualities he has but there's going to be a price for picking up a very solid middle pair RD who can play up the lineup if needed.

Same with Connor Brown. Some people just seem so insistent on dismantling the 3rd line and top PK unit for some bewildering reason.

I'm with you here, would love to keep Brown around too. Both very valuable players but unless you give something of value up it's pretty tough to get something of value back.

I think the reason both of these players have their names tossed around is because they are likely the most valuable guys outside of the top of the roster which of course no one would move under any circumstance. It was certainly my thought process here. If Fiala (or someone) was added it makes the Formenton loss easier to stomach.

I kinda think Joseph's arrival may have also made the idea of losing Formenton a little easier for me.

 

[bert]

Until there is another alternative, Formenton with Stützle & Batherson is a great top six line.

I think Formenton in terms of effectiveness will be similar to Brown. A player that can play all throughout the top nine.

Something I’m glad the Senators didn’t do is pigeon hole Formenton into a defensive specialist and stunt his growth. He could’ve turned into a fourth line speedster that PKs the way some other teams develop.

I mean that was happening until the injuries. Which between Stutzle playing center and Formenton elevated might be a blessing in disguise long term. Part of the reason the team started so terribly was the roster construction along with the ice time distribution. Sens fans are just impatient with the rebuild at this point. Formenton is trending towards being a 25 to 30 goal pk specialist that is hard to play against. People need to be more patient he just played his 100th NHL game he is 22. He is still filling out. When he develops more finish and strength he is going to be a real impact player at both ends of the ice and pain in the ass to play against. It's his first real pro season without covid interrupting it.

Its not the same thing as Brown or even Joseph. Formenton played NHL games at 18 made the wjc at 18. He has more pedigree and is ahead of both those players at this age. In two years when the sens rebuild is actually over that's when you see a more finished product. Brown should be available to trade he will be out of his peak when they are starting to compete and contend.