Kings Prospect #8
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So Jones, Kozun, and Deslauriers are probably three of our top prospects, all have a legitimate shot at playing in the NHL this upcoming season, and players like Prokhorkin, and Michael Mersch are somehow being rated higher by the group of "experts" on this board. I MAY understand it if somehow those players had even a higher pedigree at the lower levels of hockey, but they don't. Prokhorkin is languishing in Russia somewhere, and Mersch is still in University, and from everything I have heard, has a LONG way to go to even become a productive AHL player. I guess my point is, it seems a lot of you seem to value prospective players based exclusively on a short-term approach, where the closer we are to the players draft year, the more highly rated you value them. I guess I will get straight to the point-- most of you have no idea what you are talking about.
Moses Doughty
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I don't know where you're getting that with Mersch. He carried Wisconsin on offense last year. Only two other players scored 10 goals. He had 23. The year before he finished 3rd on the team, behind 21 and 22 year olds.
Or some of us....you know...actually WATCH all of our prospects? You have no idea so you clearly shouldn't be criticizing others.
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Please stop posting... Pretty please. If not please just stop insulting people with every post...
kingsfan
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Jones is a backup, assuming he even makes it at all. There's a reason why DL got Scrivens rather than handing the job to Jones. Kozun is debateable to even make it, and hasn't been given on NHL games after. If he does make it, he seems likely to be a 3rd line guy, not a scoring line forward (at least not primarily). Deslauriers, I frankly just am not high on him at all. I just don't seem him being a NHL player. Not to mention he's been the worst +/- player in Manchester two straight years (this year it wasn't even close either).
To call those three as three of our top prospects is purely your opinion, which is fine. But to say we have no idea what we are talking about is also your opinion.
Unless you can prove you are any more of an expert than I am, I suggest getting off your soap box.
You do realize Mersch is returning to University for his senior season, and by all accounts is a pretty terrible skater? Those to me do not sound like the qualities of a high end prospect, let alone somebody who should be ahead of some of the players we currently have in the system. I guess my point is simple, some people on these boards understand hockey, and they are capable of judging correctly who will and will not be a player. Then there are others who buy into hype, draft pick position, and place an emphasis on individual "skills" rather than the collective "makeup" of the player. It is quite easy to pick out who those people are around here, and it is easy to pick out who is not. Judging by the quality of our prospect list, outside of maybe the first 3 or so guys, It would be my guess there are a lot more of the former, rather than the latter around here. Hopefully as I did not name any specific names, and took a more general approach to the posters of this board, no-one around here is offended by my comments. Becoming a successful pro, especially at the NHL level, requires players who do ALOT of things right. That includes skating ability, stickhandling ability, aggressiveness, smarts, and work ethic. Seeing a player score 22 goals as a Junior in US College Hockey does not impress me, and apparently the Kings feel the same way, as he remains unsigned. Not trying to pick on this player individually, just an example, and I may turn out to be wrong on him... But I doubt it.
I think this is a rational response. Perhaps we both should exchange lists and see how far apart we really are?
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You do realize that Lindey Vey was a 4th rounder and PLAYED his way to being the 3rd rated prospect on this list? And Kevin Gravel was a 5th rounder who did the same? And while I don't agree with how high he is ranked, Kitsyn was a 6th rounder. They're ranked above four 3rd rounders in Shore, Weal, Deslauriers, and Andreoff. And some of them are above first and second rounders in Forbort and Zykov. So you might wanna do some research before you just reduce the voters on here to ranking just by draft position. And skill? Kevin Gravel probably won't score more than 15 points a year and was ranked highly. I will agree that Forbort is that high SOLELY for his draft position and I 100% disagree with his ranking.
Why are you even bringing up Mersch? Out of the 63 votes in this poll, he has four. And you do realize he's steadily improved his overall game over the past 3 years? And that he was the leading scorer on his team and had 8 more goals than anyone else? You act like he's a total scrub. And by the way, returning for your senior year means nothing. If he improves off of the year last year, I'd bet that he gets a contract from the Kings.
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King'sPawn
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Didn't the Kings try to sign Mersch? Seems ignorant to use his unsigned status as proof of how far away he is, or pretending to know what management thinks of him
Jonathan Quick spent TWO years in college. THAT'S what made him a great goalie. He left early. Clearly.
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Right. Let me fix that.
Derek Forbort TOTALLY is our 5th best prospect.
You still don't get it.
It's KOZUN and DESLAURIERS. They have more professional experience than the rest of the prospects. Upside be damned, they are the best prospects!
You guys just get infatuated with draft position and the novelty of prospects.
And Forbort is a better prospect than Gravel and Mersch... He's signnnnnnned! Nevermind that DL tried to sign both of them after their junior seasons ended.
David Meckler has played sooooo many AHL games. And man. Alexandre Giroux? AHL LEGEND. We have to sign him. He's got so much pro experience and he's proven to be a great AHL player. He'd be our best prospect.
Please stop. You're just embarrassing yourself at this point. I do not think Meckler has the skill-set, pedigree, or statistics to back up a comparison with any of the players I am currently advocating for on these forums. Do you? Obviously you don't, and if you don't, it really makes you sound stupid to even bring up the comparison in the first place, right? Really dumb. Point is, everyone is entitled to their opinion, my only point is I think your opinion when it comes to our prospects is worthless. I really think those who only base their opinion on 3 minute youtube videos, and have not seen a Monarchs game in the past 2 years should not be allowed to vote.
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Of the Kings 30+ prospects, only 13 of them have played at least 1 game in the past two years. So... thinking the only people qualified are those who have watched a Monarchs game in the past two years (and even then, not every Monarch player would be seen) isn't a very strong argument either.
Not everyone has the resources to watch Monarchs games. Not everyone has resources to watch junior, NCAA, or European games, either. This is supposed to be a FUN debate in which people are collectively welcomed to discuss which prospects they like more, whether it's through observations or reading.
Why do you have to
a) take the fun out of the debate and discussion by jumping in the past several threads telling us how pointless and worthless it is?
b) try to say which people are and aren't qualified to vote?
Just don't participate if you really think most or all of us are that clueless.
I'm embarrassing MYSELF? It's pretty obvious to everyone on here I'm completely kidding about Meckler and Giroux. And you think my opinions on prospects is worthless? I'm so offended. I GUARANTEE I've seen more of our prospects play than you. You come on here basically just to call us idiots for voting for prospects that you don't like (pot kettle black. I know.) and then say my opinion doesn't matter? Go back to your closet. There you'll be the smartest person in the room. Your justification of players playing pro hockey meaning they're better prospects is complete ********. By that rationale, you'd essentially say a player like Mikael Granlund, who has spent time playing in the SM-liiga and last year split between the NHL and AHL (where he scored very well) is a better prospect than Nathan MacKinnon.
I base my rankings off of a combination of things. Potential, likelyhood to reach that potential, and fit in our system. If you don't like that, that's fine. But your first post in this thread was to say that Jones, Kozun, and Des were our top 3 prospects and all 3 have a shot at the NHL this year. NONE have a shot this year at making the opening day roster. Scrivens will be our backup and that is cemented by the fact that part of his salary is being eaten by Toronto and we are up against the cap. And Jones is still far too inconsistent shot to shot to warrant NHL time. Kozun is small and plays at arguably our deepest position right now. I'd LOVE to see him get a shot but unless someone goes down in camp, he's not making the team. And he wouldn't even be the first callup due to injuries. Deslauriers took a while to adjust to the pro game but he seemed to have really started to put it all together by the end of last year. But you do realize we have 9 NHL defenseman right now and Deslauriers isn't beating out any of them. I'm a fan of all three players but you saying they all have real chances at making the NHL this year is absolutely false.
Bottom line: if you're this upset about the rankings, quit partaking in them and quit posting here. And if you want to stay, stop being a dick. Saying people here don't have a clue what we're talking about is a ****ing joke. I've watched nearly every one of our prospects play and not just one game and not just YouTube highlights. I may not like some people here but there really are quite a few knowledgeable people here. You seem to think we're all riding the short bus pointing at the shiny new draft picks in awe at how great they are.
Moses Doughty
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You know what other Kings prospect was a scoring dynamo and a top sniper but needed work on his skating? Tyler Toffoli, the obvious choice for top prospect on the team. Or did he not deserve his top 3ish prospect praise in the past because of his bad skating? And who the heck cares if he didn't go to Manchester? He doesn't automatically have to sign if LA wants to sign him, he has to want to go too.
