GDT: Kings off-season thread

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The Kings have to decide what direction they want to go in. Try and win now, rebuild, or keep doing the in-between thing.

If you're trying to win now, the biggest roster need is clearly #1 center.

For win now mode we need:
#1 Center
#1 Winger
High end LHD
 
The mantra was not just get in. Everyone was expecting 2013 to be the first year for contending, then lightning struck with the Carter deal, Voynov's arrival, and discovering Quick has ice water in his veins.

After that, "just getting in" was no longer acceptable.

In 2012 the Kings won as a team that missed finishing 1st in the Pacific by 2 points. Your disdain for Lombardi is obvious, and difficult to understand, but keep going with the "he just got lucky" narrative.

It's not a disdain. It's juts that he also relied on people he knew. Canadian farm boys that he knew, no less. People that he worked with, but people that he never won with. It's that his big move, Richards, wasn't working. It was damn near a total disaster. The line between winner and loser is that thin. The plan wasn't firing Murray. If that was part of the plan, it would've happened before it did. There was no, oh, obviously we'll get Jeff Carter. No, that was a move made in total desperation, and luckily Carter cried about having to live in Columbus.

It's just that his whole grand plan, the whole grand design, was not working. But because they did end up doing what the franchise has never done, we give him nothing but credit(Pre-June 2014. Everything after that, we've all agreed that DL was a total moron). But that's in hindsight. He completely whiffed on a top 4 pick, but that's discounted because he ended up winning. But before the team won, that was a big deal. As was trading and/or losing Purcell and Moulson for nothing. Those moves were the end of the world, until the Kings won. Then they became funny footnotes.

Nothing matters if you win. If you don't win, every detail matters. We'll obsess about every little move Blake makes, until they win. If you had said that DL would completely mess up a top 4 pick, before it happened, who says they'd still end up winning the Cup? Nobody. We all hate the Cloutier signing, but nobody really thinks about it anymore. It's just sort of, haha, remember when DL did that? That was crazy.

But DL at least played the part of a guy that knew what he was doing. Which was confirmed by the fact that they won. But how close were they to not winning? If Carter was happy in Columbus, who else are they getting that puts them over the top? Because they were totally desperate for offense in 2012, with nobody else like Carter on the market. And if there's no Carter in 2012, then 2013 and 2014 might look different.
 
The Kings will be in very bad shape if the current trend on prospect developement continues. Vilardi, Byfield, Turcott have not developed so far to NHL caliber talent, Now I know many are going to say Byfield is young and its only his first full year but I don't buy that thinking. Drew Doughty was drafted high and he came in and made an impact in his first year and on. That is the type of draft picks the Kings should be making. Not ones that you have to wait 3 years to even see if he will develop to NHL Talent. The good drafts picks are the ones that come in immediately and contribute, Caufield is another example. I for one am tired of hearing about how great the Kings propsects are and then when they give them a chance they clearly fall on their faces. Brown is gone, Kopitar, Quick and Doughty are going to decline in their level of play and if the Kings don't have players ready to replace them and make a positive impact on the team, then those draft picks will set the Kings back even further. Personnaly the Kings have not done a good job draft. Deanno came in and predicted in 5 years the Kings would win the Cup and he delievered. So far the Blake rebiuld is in what the 4th year and this team is nowhere close to winning a Cup, Heck Blake is not even mentioning when he thinks this team will be Cup contenders.
 
Frk, like Tkachev, can make more salary overseas. Frk is one of the lowest paid players in the org. Both are likely moving on.

I’d put the odds of AA coming back at less than 40%. If he signs, it’ll be right around training camp if there is a lack of forward depth. He’s getting a one year deal from any team, so he’ll go to the highest bidder. He’s not worth $2.7M to the Kings, given his inability to stay in the lineup, never mind wildly inconsistent and completely one dimensional play.

Maata has redeemed his career with his play this calendar year. Even with the relative bounce back, it’s hard to see him getting more than 2 years on the UFA market. But if someone offers him $2.5M x 2 years, I could see it in a place like Ottawa, Detroit, Buffalo, Arizona, etc. On a one year deal for $2M, I think it would be ok to bring him back.

Edler is going to retire or sign a one year deal for around $1.8 M with a pacific division team. If someone overpays for Maata, then that could be the Kings. I don’t see Edler chasing a cup or going out east to a high bidder. His loss would most hurt the Kings from a size perspective.

Who knows with Stecher. He’s probably in camp one way or another. Whatever the case, he’s a sub $1M player on any team. Combined, these guys are over $13.5M in cap space, almost $20 M when you add in Brown. But it’s 7 players, so less than $3M per on average. And 5 of them were late season starters. All of them if you include the Reign.

So whoever replaces them will be filling a big hole.
 
The Kings will be in very bad shape if the current trend on prospect developement continues. Vilardi, Byfield, Turcott have not developed so far to NHL caliber talent, Now I know many are going to say Byfield is young and its only his first full year but I don't buy that thinking. Drew Doughty was drafted high and he came in and made an impact in his first year and on. That is the type of draft picks the Kings should be making. Not ones that you have to wait 3 years to even see if he will develop to NHL Talent. The good drafts picks are the ones that come in immediately and contribute, Caufield is another example. I for one am tired of hearing about how great the Kings propsects are and then when they give them a chance they clearly fall on their faces. Brown is gone, Kopitar, Quick and Doughty are going to decline in their level of play and if the Kings don't have players ready to replace them and make a positive impact on the team, then those draft picks will set the Kings back even further. Personnaly the Kings have not done a good job draft. Deanno came in and predicted in 5 years the Kings would win the Cup and he delievered. So far the Blake rebiuld is in what the 4th year and this team is nowhere close to winning a Cup, Heck Blake is not even mentioning when he thinks this team will be Cup contenders.
Why use Caufield as an example? When he was used like the Kings forward prospects he was so bad and sent to the AHL also. Byfield got what 4 minutes of ice time in game 1?
Kopitar Doughty and Quick are going to decline but are still treated like #1 superstars. Kopitar is declining more so than Doughty and should not be pencilled into a top six next year automatically.
 
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Quick question

if Blake only makes 2 off-season moves are bringing in Chychrun and Fiala and allows the rookies like Byfield, Kaliyev and Bjornfot to come back more mature, stronger and eager would that satisfy a majority of our fans number 1 and would that be a legitimate playoff team number 2?

Fiala - Kopitar - Kempe
Moore - Danault- Arvidsson
Grundstrum- Byfield- Kaliyev
Lemieux- Lizotte- Kupari

Doughty - Anderson
Roy - Chychrun
Durzi/Spence/Walker - Bjornfot
Moverare

Quick
Peterson

If you don’t see a player from this season up there I assume they are included in trades or not re-signed

Iafallo, Vilardi, two of the excess right shot Dman, 2022 1st round pick etc.

I believe Arizona would love a Durzi in a package

I believe Faber would be a part of the package to Minny. I think Fiala is that line driver that would help Kopitar and be able to fly w Kempe

Heavy costs but great young skillled players.

And yes I do worry about Jacobs injury past but the dude can flat out be a PP stud.
Adding two players of the age and caliber of Fiala and Chychrun is mandatory for this offseason. Yes, it will be expensive in terms of picks/prospects but it is really the only option the team has. Even if they wanted to do a Rebuild Part II, they don't have the older assets to pull it off anymore.
 
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I'm looking into getting one of Nylander or Lanie for winger help. And one of Sergachev or Chychrun for the LHD help. Anything else that is not a young core builder for the Byfield/Clarke age is minor add to not help the team.
 
The things i'm hoping for next year? Subractions:

Brown - At least we know this is finalized and as much as I love him he looked done this year. Completely ineffective pretty much if every aspect of his game. During the playoffs the amount of fumbled passes was mind blowing, father time caught up to him hard these past few years.

Athanasiou - During the regular season he came through with some clutch offense when it was much needed, but during the playoffs he was shutdown easily along with having multiple defensive collapses. I really dislike his game and hope he doesn't get resigned next year.

Edler - Looked decent during the first half of the season but fell off when he came back from his injury. Had a pretty rough time in the playoffs, never had confidence in him when he was paired with Stecher.

Stecher - Disliked his defensive play, was lost out there on defense especially with Edler in the playoffs. Chipped in with a couple goals though so....yeah I guess that was alright.

Some (or all) of the coaching staff - It's amazing that we made it into the playoffs with the special teams we had, something has to change. Personally I don't think anyone should be safe, shouldn't take you a full season to realize that somethings not working. Also didn't like the kids being shelved at weird times of the season for underperforming vets.




Along with all of that just a healthier year and more progress with the young prospects. I'm one of the few not writing off Vilardi, Byfield and Turcotte yet.
 
I'm looking into getting one of Nylander or Lanie for winger help. And one of Sergachev or Chychrun for the LHD help. Anything else that is not a young core builder for the Byfield/Clarke age is minor add to not help the team.
Is Chychrun worth what it's going to cost to get him? I don't know much about him but I've read he's this elite power play guy but his numbers sure don't reflect him being an offensive dman. I know he's in Arizona but still.

I've read he's likely going to cost something like Bjornfot, Turcotte, another prospect, plus a first round pick. Seems like a lot.
 
I don’t want Sergachev, players than won multiple times lose their fire and desire. They don’t want to run through that wall for a championship. We’ve already seen what 2 hungry players in Danault and Arvidsson can add to a roster. We don’t need a repeat of post 2014 of players just going through the motions.

Not all athletes are your Brady’s and Jordan’s who have to be the best constantly.
 
I don’t want Sergachev, players than won multiple times lose their fire and desire. They don’t want to run through that wall for a championship. We’ve already seen what 2 hungry players in Danault and Arvidsson can add to a roster. We don’t need a repeat of post 2014 of players just going through the motions.

Not all athletes are your Brady’s and Jordan’s who have to be the best constantly.
I don't think Sergachev has been playing with big dick energy either after getting absolutely whooped by Bennett.

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maybe it's the pain of losing (especially in the playoffs), but i just don't understand some of the bitching & whining. It was a great year. We finally made it back to the playoffs, won a game in forever and got to a game 7. All of this without DD. Without Arvy in the playoffs. The season without so many Dmen.

Yes the offensive prospects maybe struggled. Way too impatient for my taste. Give them time. The great thing is we have so many prospects that even if the top guys don't pan out as hoped (Turc, GV, etc.), we have others that can potentially over exceed expectations -- Chrom, Thomas, Laf, Pinelli, Kasper, Lee, etc. Even without those guys, it was a great year for AK34. I also say some big improvement over the year for Kuoari. Byfield is still a baby and needs to learn a lot, add girth and use his body -- but i believe he'll get there eventually.

On the Dmen side, how can you not be excited. The only problem here is we have TOO many guys. Lack of size maybe too. But seriously, this future looks fantastic.

I'm pretty stoked about this team. I can't wait to see what Blake does in the offseason. We have lots of ammunition/assets that can be moved. Pretty exciting time imo.
I genuinely don’t know how you can look at this team with the failures in forward star power and think this was a good year. I’d be happier if the Kings missed the playoffs and the prospects looked good in forward.

The only legitimate observation is that this year was an anomaly. Kopitar will continue to get worse and it looks very likely that prospects won’t get that much better to offset anything.

Unless for some reason you saw star potential in the forwards for some bizarre reason that many others aren’t.

Decent amount of you guys are looking at this season without any context. They made it to the playoffs but no one is thinking about what made them get there.

Similarly the same people who saw game 1 Kopitar getting a ton of ice time and getting a W thinking that the context of the win was working Kopitar to death. And then he looked shit most of the series.

Look at the context, not the result. Anomalies are anomalies but context will provide a better understanding of the future outcomes.

And also, I don’t see Kempe being as good next season as he was this season.he had an anomalous year. Kopitar is only going to get worse. What are we looking at exactly? Be realistic.

Did anyone in their right minds think that William Karlsson randomly broke out into a prolific goal scorer in one season? No. There was nothing to suggest that he would retain that new found glory. His career suggested that he’d come down to earth and boy he did.


Kings were lucky this season. The only way the Kings do better next season is if Blake fires the entire staff and gets Trotz. Better special teams will win more games, and better development team for the prospects will be huge however there’s nothing to indicate that anyone will be losing their job.
 
The Kings have to decide what direction they want to go in. Try and win now, rebuild, or keep doing the in-between thing.

If you're trying to win now, the biggest roster need is clearly #1 center.

For win now mode we need:
#1 Center
#1 Winger
High end LHD
You need to add a legit goalie to that list. One injury to Quick and it's over for the Kings. Cal is too inconsistent.
 
You need to add a legit goalie to that list. One injury to Quick and it's over for the Kings. Cal is too inconsistent.
So all we need is a #1 center, #1 winger, #1 caliber LHD, and #1 goaltender.

Then we'll be a contender. Easy.


In all seriousness, this is why trying to "win now" is kind of insane. There's literally nothing that can be done to this roster in the off season to make them a contender.
 
Quick question

if Blake only makes 2 off-season moves are bringing in Chychrun and Fiala and allows the rookies like Byfield, Kaliyev and Bjornfot to come back more mature, stronger and eager would that satisfy a majority of our fans number 1 and would that be a legitimate playoff team number 2?

Fiala - Kopitar - Kempe
Moore - Danault- Arvidsson
Grundstrum- Byfield- Kaliyev
Lemieux- Lizotte- Kupari

Doughty - Anderson
Roy - Chychrun
Durzi/Spence/Walker - Bjornfot
Moverare

Quick
Peterson

If you don’t see a player from this season up there I assume they are included in trades or not re-signed

Iafallo, Vilardi, two of the excess right shot Dman, 2022 1st round pick etc.

I believe Arizona would love a Durzi in a package

I believe Faber would be a part of the package to Minny. I think Fiala is that line driver that would help Kopitar and be able to fly w Kempe

Heavy costs but great young skillled players.

And yes I do worry about Jacobs injury past but the dude can flat out be a PP stud.
What is the point of bringing in Fiala to play with Kopitar? That is a colossal waste of time. Fiala should be playing with Byfield and Kempe, if the Kings bring him in here.

Also, if that happens they should be moving Arvidsson or Moore to make room for a younger player. Kaliyev should be playing in the top six.

It is time to make room on the top six for the forwards who will actually be in the NHL in three years from now. I also don't see Vilardi anywhere on the roster. Are you just giving up on him?
 
What is the point of bringing in Fiala to play with Kopitar? That is a colossal waste of time. Fiala should be playing with Byfield and Kempe, if the Kings bring him in here.

Also, if that happens they should be moving Arvidsson or Moore to make room for a younger player. Kaliyev should be playing in the top six.

It is time to make room on the top six for the forwards who will actually be in the NHL in three years from now. I also don't see Vilardi anywhere on the roster. Are you just giving up on him?

I think management has given up on Vilardi
 
So all we need is a #1 center, #1 winger, #1 caliber LHD, and #1 goaltender.

Then we'll be a contender. Easy.


In all seriousness, this is why trying to "win now" is kind of insane. There's literally nothing that can be done to this roster in the off season to make them a contender.
...and it is obvious. I have no problem bringing in a guy like Fiala, because he is 25 years old and should play with Byfield to spark his offense, but if Blake brings in a guy like Fiala, he needs to blow out one of the older forwards in a trade to make room for younger talent.

I think management has given up on Vilardi
Then they need to trade Vilardi at the draft, and get on with it.
 
So all we need is a #1 center, #1 winger, #1 caliber LHD, and #1 goaltender.

Then we'll be a contender. Easy.


In all seriousness, this is why trying to "win now" is kind of insane. There's literally nothing that can be done to this roster in the off season to make them a contender.
It will be 2 more years before Kings will be real contenders
 
...and it is obvious. I have no problem bringing in a guy like Fiala, because he is 25 years old and should play with Byfield to spark his offense, but if Blake brings in a guy like Fiala, he needs to blow out one of the older forwards in a trade to make room for younger talent.


Then they need to trade Vilardi at the draft, and get on with it.
Which older forward? There aren't that many left.
 
What is the point of bringing in Fiala to play with Kopitar? That is a colossal waste of time. Fiala should be playing with Byfield and Kempe, if the Kings bring him in here.

Also, if that happens they should be moving Arvidsson or Moore to make room for a younger player. Kaliyev should be playing in the top six.

It is time to make room on the top six for the forwards who will actually be in the NHL in three years from now. I also don't see Vilardi anywhere on the roster. Are you just giving up on him?
Fiala is only 26, same age as Kempe and is a ppg player with the ability to help drive a line. He will be productive through the length of his contract or at least the majority of it meaning he will play with Byfield and Kaliyev and whatever new comers we acquire or draft.

At this point Byfield can’t even carry Kopitars jock. We may be down on Kopitar but it’s about time we being in players to carry him instead of rely on him to do the heavy lifting. Fiala fits this need. Now if Byfield can take not just the next step but many steps then yes, I would love for him to take that top spot and play with Fiala and Kempe.

I love, love, love Kaliyev but he needs to improve his skating and keep maturing to get top line minutes. He has show chemistry with Byfield and the third line helps shield both players. I am hoping next year to see both players in the third line getting 12 to 14 5 on 5 mins a night and I want to see both unleashed On PP1. (Yes I take Kopitar off the top unit).

As for Vilardi I still think he is a player, but he is similar to Kaliyev in he is a bigger bodied, slower winger with offensive potential. Like I said if I didn’t include them above they are used in trades. Don’t need two similar wingers on the team when there are teams out there like Minny and The Coyotes begging for center depth and could still see him as a center. I use him in a trade because we got to give to get.
 
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I don't think the Kings should bring in any UFA forwards.

Pair each defensively responsible veteran forward (Danault, Kopitar, Iafallo) with a young player/rookie.

Moore-Danault-Kaliyev
Kupari
-Kopitar-Kempe
Iafallo-Byfield-Arvidsson
Lemieux-Lizotte-Grundstrom

Roll the lines. Kopitar should be playing 14-17min per night.

Acquire a young LHD with high upside who can be here for the long term, and blue chip goalie prospect.

Yes it will make for a long season. I'm fine with that. Draft in the top 10 in 2023.

Consider trading Kopitar if he's not down for this.
 
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I don't think the Kings should bring in any UFA forwards.

Pair each defensively responsible veteran forward (Danault, Kopitar, Iafallo) with a young player/rookie.

Moore-Danault-Kaliyev
Kupari
-Kopitar-Kempe
Iafallo-Byfield-Arvidsson
Lemieux-Lizotte-Grundstrom

Roll the lines. Kopitar should be playing 14-17min per night.

Acquire a young LHD with high upside who can be here for the long term, and blue chip goalie prospect.

Yes it will make for a long season. I'm fine with that. Draft in the top 10 in 2023.

Consider trading Kopitar if he'd not down for this.
The one thing the Kings aren't going to do is stand pat. They will bring in some offensive help this offseason. I doubt there is anyone in the organization who wants to deliberately take a step (or several steps) back next year. Any talk of top 10 drafting needs to take place after Kopitar/Doughty/Denault are gone. That is just reality.
 
Which older forward? There aren't that many left.
If you read the post, I identified two to consider, if they bring in Fiala.

The one thing the Kings aren't going to do is stand pat. They will bring in some offensive help this offseason. I doubt there is anyone in the organization who wants to deliberately take a step (or several steps) back next year. Any talk of top 10 drafting needs to take place after Kopitar/Doughty/Denault are gone. That is just reality.
Why, because the Kings are going to contend with Kopitar on the roster?
 
If you read the post, I identified two to consider, if they bring in Fiala.


Why, because the Kings are going to contend with Kopitar on the roster?
When you said "move" Moore and Arvidsson I thought you meant to different lines...I couldn't believe you meant to actually trade them.
 

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