Proposal: Kings goalies x Sharks goalies

[TheBeard]

Maybe. I think we'll need to see how the year plays out and see what it looks like closer to the trade deadline.

The offer would have to be outstandingly in our favor and even then, that would mean Blackwood is having a phenomenal season. I don't know how he is lockerroom-wise and how he is mentoring, but if he's good enough and works well with Askarov then I would be more than happy to have that combo for the next 3 or so years.

But you're right, there's a whole season to play out before thinking like this.

It's a sign that everyone really needs hockey

Honestly, I just want the season to start because Grier is making the offseason too exciting.

 

[Djp]

Kings get out of a horrible contract. Sharks don't want a horrible contract. Kaliyev is nice and all, but we'll look elsewhere to shore up talent up front.

Keumper us thst horrible?

 

[Juxtaposer]

Keumper is thst horrible?

$5.25M for three more seasons for a very bad goaltender? Yeah, it's bad. I knew it was bad but I didn't realize how bad until I just looked it up.

Nice try, Kings fans.

 

[McJedi]

Kings get: Blackwood, Vanecek, SJ 3rd in 25.

Sharks get: Kuemper, Rittich/Copley, Kaliyev

what an odd trade for the Kings to make.

 

[Kurrilino]

It's a sign that everyone really needs hockey

I guess it's a good sign then....
Calling our team uninspiring would still be wild bragging.
If some people can't wait for hockey it's a good sign

 

[Mattb124]

Kuemper's contract sucks but he is a better option as a 1A goalie for an ostensibly contending team than a tandem of VV and Blackwood.

When you wrote “ostensibly contending”, you meant “ostensibly contending to not come in last place in the league again”, right?

 

[innitfam]

When you wrote “ostensibly contending”, you meant “ostensibly contending to not come in last place in the league again”, right?

I'm talking about LA preferring to keep Kuemper rather than having VV/Blackwood. The ostensibly contender is LA in that scenario.

 

[Dr Quincy]

I’d honestly rather they extend Blackwood for another couple seasons (if he wanted). He’s only 27 and I’d like to see some kind of a 1a 1b situation the way Boston ran with Swayman and Ullmark.

The difference being those guys are actually really good.

 

[TheBeard]

The difference being those guys are actually really good.

Blackwood was fine. He was fine in Jersey but had injury issues. Boston has a strong fundamental game and a fantastic defense. Ullmark was a mediocre goaltender in Buffalo when he signed on. San Jose does not have the defensive structure or the pieces to make any goalies numbers look better than they played.

 

[TheNewEra]

simplify it maybe?

blackwood for one of rittich/copley, kaliyev and 3rd/4th

sharks free up a spot for askarov, waive whichever goalie they get. Kaliyev is essentially the main piece coming back but is fully a buy low move for the sharks.

Kings get better support for keumper (not by much but better support)

 

[aircobra]

In no world do the Sharks do this trade. Kuemper is old, overpaid, and not better than what the Sharks already have.

 

[pth2]

Why would either team do this?

When a post doesn't explain both teams reasons, it's usually bad news.

 

[Juxtaposer]

simplify it maybe?

blackwood for one of rittich/copley, kaliyev and 3rd/4th

sharks free up a spot for askarov, waive whichever goalie they get. Kaliyev is essentially the main piece coming back but is fully a buy low move for the sharks.

Kings get better support for keumper (not by much but better support)

Why exactly do we want Kaliyev? There's a reason he can't find ice time on the Kings.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Blackwood was fine. He was fine in Jersey but had injury issues. Boston has a strong fundamental game and a fantastic defense. Ullmark was a mediocre goaltender in Buffalo when he signed on. San Jose does not have the defensive structure or the pieces to make any goalies numbers look better than they played.

I don't think you watched Ullmark in BUF or have looked up the numbers. He actually performed well there. I can go into the numbers for you if you'd like.

Here are Ullmark's SV% outside of his 1 Vezina year in BOS, but including his 2 other BOS years:

913
905
915
917
917
915

Here are Blackwood's for his years outside of SJ
918
915
902
892
893

I can go into more advanced numbers if you want like GSAA and adjusted SV% but BUF Ullmark will still come out on top of NJ Blackwood.

 

[TheNewEra]

Why exactly do we want Kaliyev? There's a reason he can't find ice time on the Kings.

honestly, i saw it as a buy low on a young asset that might work and that might not. More importantly i see it as a way to open up a spot for Askarov.

I dont think the Kings or another team would trade a 2nd for Blackwood. Could be wrong. So if your going to get a later pick back might as well take a lottery ticket too.

 

[TheBeard]

I don't think you watched Ullmark in BUF or have looked up the numbers. He actually performed well there. I can go into the numbers for you if you'd like.

Here are Ullmark's SV% outside of his 1 Vezina year in BOS, but including his 2 other BOS years:

913
905
915
917
917
915

Here are Blackwood's for his years outside of SJ
918
915
902
892
893

I can go into more advanced numbers if you want like GSAA and adjusted SV% but BUF Ullmark will still come out on top of NJ Blackwood.

This is in credibly disingenuous. He played like 90 games in 6 seasons in Buffalo. He was mediocre at a time when goaltending still reigned supreme. He wasn’t bad, he wasn’t great. He was fine.

He was also the victim of being on a bad Buffalo team. I could say the same for Blackwood on a bad New Jersey and now San Jose squad.

 

[Juxtaposer]

honestly, i saw it as a buy low on a young asset that might work and that might not. More importantly i see it as a way to open up a spot for Askarov.

I dont think the Kings or another team would trade a 2nd for Blackwood. Could be wrong. So if your going to get a later pick back might as well take a lottery ticket too.

Appreciate the thought, and absolutely if you aren't a Sharks fan I wouldn't expect you to be super familiar with the Sharks system, but neither of those things help us.

As far as Askarov goes, he'll be given every opportunity to win a role with the Sharks if he outplays Blackwood or Vanecek in camp. There's no reason to move one of those guys to make space for Askarov because if he can't outplay one of them then he deserves to start in the AHL. I think starting Askarov with the Cuda is probably the right play anyway and what I'm guessing will happen. If Askarov does make the Sharks, then you hope to sneak Vanecek through waivers because we do not have a quality AHL goaltender if we trade him.

As for Kaliyev, I think he's a better fit for a contender right against the cap hoping for a kid to grab a top-6 scoring spot for cheap. The Sharks already have tons of forwards competing for bottom-6 NHL spots; every forward other than Eklund/Zetterlund/Granlund/Toffoli/Wennberg/realistically Celebrini is technically competing for an NHL spot, and that includes Will Smith. So you have W. Smith, Kunin, Sturm, Dellandrea, Gushchin, Bordeleau, Kostin, Musty, Goodrow, Grundstrom, G. Smith, Graf, and Cardwell competing for six or seven spots. We already have tons of young NHL wingers trying to get established in the NHL, Kaliyev just adds another tweener to the list.

 

[67 others]

Kuemper's contract sucks but he is a better option as a 1A goalie for an ostensibly contending team than a tandem of VV and Blackwood.

And the sharks would rather play those two and trade one or both for a 4th at the deadline

 

[Mattb124]

I'm talking about LA preferring to keep Kuemper rather than having VV/Blackwood. The ostensibly contender is LA in that scenario.

Got it, totally misunderstood your comment - although I will say Blackwood is a damned good goalie ***when healthy***.

 

[Oddbob]

Yes, cause these kind of trades always happen. How about Buffalo trades their defence for Carolina's defence, or Tampa Bay trades their forwards for Colorado's forwards???