KHL and the World Cup (Mod warning post 355)

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Paxton Fettel

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Hey I was just wondering : the KHL seasons starts in September.

IF a World Cup is held by the NHL, I assume it would be in September.

IF KHL teams don't let its players go - why should they??? - how would the World Cup qualify as a best on best?

Russia, Finland and the Czech Republic would lose 5 to 8 players each.
 
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Hey I was just wondering : the KHL seasons starts in September.

IF a World Cup is held by the NHL, I assume it would be in September.

IF KHL teams don't let its players go - why should they??? - how would the World Cup qualify as a best on best even?

Russia, Finland and the Czech Republic would lose 5 to 8 players each.

That's fair. If the KHL balks/walks, just don't hold it.
 
Hey I was just wondering : the KHL seasons starts in September.

IF a World Cup is held by the NHL, I assume it would be in September.

IF KHL teams don't let its players go - why should they??? - how would the World Cup qualify as a best on best even?

Russia, Finland and the Czech Republic would lose 5 to 8 players each.

It's not like this hasn't been discussed already in the numerous World Cup threads. Yours truly brought it up at least a year ago.
 
It would be an issue, and the tournament would lose some legitimacy. The NHL needs to find a way to get other leagues on board for the tournament to be a real success.
 
I don't want a World Cup if all the countries players are not available to play.

Either the KHL is onboard or don't bother.
 
What's the point of the World Cup anyway? Players are not in shape, the tournament is not IIHF sanctioned, team Russia plays zero games home..

And on topic, as long as NHL keeps participating in Olympics, I think KHL should participate in the WC
 
What's the point of the World Cup anyway?

The world's best players actually get to play against each other, which is a very rare occurrence.

Players are not in shape

They most certainly are in reasonable shape in this day and age. This isn't 1970. In fact, fewer players are likely to miss the tournament due to injuries incurred during the season, so you could argue their health is better.

the tournament is not IIHF sanctioned

So?

team Russia plays zero games home.

That should be fixed. Ideally the World Cup would rotate hosts, but unfortunately the way it is structured ($$$) won't allow for that. This issue should be fixed.
 
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They most certainly are in reasonable shape in this day and age. This isn't 1970. In fact, fewer players are likely to miss the tournament due to injuries incurred during the season, so you could argue their health is better.

They were not in the last one. Finland had several player coming off surgery or desperately in need of one. The more important thing is that they're not in prime gameshape or form. That is never an issue with Olympics.
 
But if KHL players aren't in the World Cup, it wouldn't be a best on best tournament and no one would care, right Canada? :sarcasm:
 
But if KHL players aren't in the World Cup, it wouldn't be a best on best tournament and no one would care, right Canada? :sarcasm:

Yeah, because the KHL is the best league in the world and would send to this tournament like 80 % of the players. Right.


But of course, I'm all in, to make the tournament when KHL can send their players, that's for sure.
 
Yeah, because the KHL is the best league in the world and would send to this tournament like 80 % of the players. Right.


But of course, I'm all in, to make the tournament when KHL can send their players, that's for sure.

But Russia wouldn't be able to send their best roster, it's unfair, it's not best on best!!11
 
But Russia wouldn't be able to send their best roster, it's unfair, it's not best on best!!11

I think most of us North Americans would acknowledge that if several of the teams couldn't send their players from the KHL then it would be unfair against them. It has already been acknowledged several times in this thread.
 
They were not in the last one. Finland had several player coming off surgery or desperately in need of one. The more important thing is that they're not in prime gameshape or form. That is never an issue with Olympics.

Why were Finnish players coming off surgery or in need of surgery in September? I can understand being still in a recovery period after a major surgery, but not still needing surgery months after the season ended.

Form is a different issue than health, and the timing is not great for form, but as long as the teams are on basically even footing here I don't have an issue.
 
Form is a different issue than health, and the timing is not great for form, but as long as the teams are on basically even footing here I don't have an issue.

I pretty much agree, but:
The Europeans watch at the World Cup pretty much as the North Americans watch at the World Championship: "their" thing.
So, if the NHL isn't really keen to stop/alter their schedule for the World Championship, why should the KHL stop/alter theirs, and why the NHL doesn't think that they should do to any other route?
 
the tournament is not IIHF sanctioned

Of all the arguments against the Canada/World Cup, this is one that I've never understood.

Why does a hockey tournament (best-on-best no less!) have less legitimacy if it isn't sanctioned by the shootout-mongers in Zurich?
 
Because, like them or not, they're the highest-level international board for hockey.

So C-squads with IIHF sanction mean more than A-squads without IIHF?

If the best players are taking part, I don't care if the tournament is being organized by the Red Cross.

Incidentally, the Euro soccer tournament is put on by UEFA, not FIFA. Doesn't effect the event's legitimacy one bit.
 
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I pretty much agree, but:
The Europeans watch at the World Cup pretty much as the North Americans watch at the World Championship: "their" thing.
So, if the NHL isn't really keen to stop/alter their schedule for the World Championship, why should the KHL stop/alter theirs, and why the NHL doesn't think that they should do to any other route?

I agree that the KHL (or any other non-NHL league) has basically 0 incentive to participate, at least with the way the tournament was last structured. That is the biggest problem facing this tournament. Really, the cost and revenue should be split up among all of the federations involved, and the host location should rotate.
 
Yeah I know. And the NHL is the top hockey league in the world.

First of all, who said that the NHL is the top hockey league in the world? You? Me? ViD? It's just our opinion. There's nothing that can "scientifically" say that the NHL is the top hockey league in the world.
And even if we can find one, it's just a private league organized by private people for private profit. The IIHF is an international board.
 
As has been discussed before, there is a perception now that because Canada is strong enough, based on consecutive Olympic Golds, why would there be a need or desire for a tournament in which Canada has far greater advantages in every sense, with every element that is a factor falling in their favor, to offer any suspense to the non-Canadian fan. There is no doubt an interest in the best players competing, but not under circumstances in which an even sub-standard Canadian effort is almost sure to produce a win. It would be seen as a competition for 2nd and 3rd place, and who really gives a **** about that?
 

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