Post-Game Talk: KFC 3 Ducks 2

[Jets 31]

I don't see games this year where the team just gives up for a period or two. That was far too common the last few years. Doesn't mean that we are always dominating, not saying that at all. But we always seem to be fighting hard.

We iced a relatively weak lineup for us, and pulled out a hard fought win. Not going to nit pick - nothing to complain about at all. Great win.

Totally agree, 10-4-1 is very good especially with one of our top players Ehlers only playing in 3 of those games.

 

[DRW204]

yeah but according to the SN power rankings, Leafs are still better!

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The much maligned, and apparently Jets haters in the athletic had us 7th. Behind njd, bos, VGK, CAR, DAL and COL.

Think the first 3 are in a tier of their own then there's the next 5ish teams that are pretty close to each other.

 

[CorgisPer60]

I don't pay attention to the power rankings because I have a massive inferiority complex. I think the Jets are actually higher than where they should be, because we still see the glaring deficiencies that could cause the wheels to fall off. They have a real hard time scoring goals, and still aren't getting secondary scoring. Now they're down three top nine forwards and two defensemen. Samberg/Capo aren't a pairing that inspires confidence. Something has to give.

 

[Jet]

I don't pay attention to the power rankings because I have a massive inferiority complex. I think the Jets are actually higher than where they should be, because we still see the glaring deficiencies that could cause the wheels to fall off. They have a real hard time scoring goals, and still aren't getting secondary scoring. Now they're down three top nine forwards and two defensemen. Samberg/Capo aren't a pairing that inspires confidence. Something has to give.

That's definitely an opinion, and has validity. I see it as a more positive thing. We've continued to win despite still working through some game deficiencies and missing some players.

I think we're seeing the Jets have a resolve and battle level we haven't seen in years. They don't implode when they get down or something bad happens to them. When you have Helle in net and gamebreaking scorers that all adds up to a very dangerous team.

I see us getting healthy and scoring more, and continuing to adopt our new systems and commit them to muscle memory.

I think the Jets had a bit of good fortune earlier in the season that will set us up very nicely come spring.

I do think we need to add at minimum a middle 6 guy, though. Why not call up Lambert just for a few games? See if he can hang and if not no harm no foul.

 

[surixon]

That's definitely an opinion, and has validity. I see it as a more positive thing. We've continued to win despite still working through some game deficiencies and missing some players.

I think we're seeing the Jets have a resolve and battle level we haven't seen in years. They don't implode when they get down or something bad happens to them. When you have Helle in net and gamebreaking scorers that all adds up to a very dangerous team.

I see us getting healthy and scoring more, and continuing to adopt our new systems and commit them to muscle memory.

I think the Jets had a bit of good fortune earlier in the season that will set us up very nicely come spring.

I do think we need to add at minimum a middle 6 guy, though. Why not call up Lambert just for a few games? See if he can hang and if not no harm no foul.

Lambert has been so so in the AHL since coming back from his illness. I'm in no rush to get him up, he needs to get back up to speed first.

I don't pay attention to the power rankings because I have a massive inferiority complex. I think the Jets are actually higher than where they should be, because we still see the glaring deficiencies that could cause the wheels to fall off. They have a real hard time scoring goals, and still aren't getting secondary scoring. Now they're down three top nine forwards and two defensemen. Samberg/Capo aren't a pairing that inspires confidence. Something has to give.

I think our defensive schemes have definitely tightened up significantly, our PK has become a strength and our ability to break out of our zone is much improved.

I do agree though about our transition and offensive schemes though. They are very much still a big work in progress. I am hoping that they will be given much more attention going forward. My thinking is Bones want3d that defensive base put in place first but I guess we will have to see.

 

[Jet]

Lambert has been so so in the AHL since coming back from his illness. I'm in no rush to get him up, he needs to get back up to speed first.

That's fair but who can fill the gaps? Obviously Gagner was important in last night's win but he doesn't really fit in with 81 and 55, and I don't know anyone else would, either. The 81 55 17 line was interesting but not sure if really works, either

 

[GNP]

That's definitely an opinion, and has validity. I see it as a more positive thing. We've continued to win despite still working through some game deficiencies and missing some players.

I think we're seeing the Jets have a resolve and battle level we haven't seen in years. They don't implode when they get down or something bad happens to them. When you have Helle in net and gamebreaking scorers that all adds up to a very dangerous team.

I see us getting healthy and scoring more, and continuing to adopt our new systems and commit them to muscle memory.

I think the Jets had a bit of good fortune earlier in the season that will set us up very nicely come spring.

I do think we need to add at minimum a middle 6 guy, though. Why not call up Lambert just for a few games? See if he can hang and if not no harm no foul.

I agree, why not call Lambert up, he has the speed to keep up with anyone, and likely better scoring hands than anyone on our bottom 6 forwards. Put him in the lineup and see how he does. Lot of people say he's to young, or it will destroy his confidence, but I don't buy that. We went thru that with Kyle Connor.

 

[KingBogo]

That's fair but who can fill the gaps? Obviously Gagner was important in last night's win but he doesn't really fit in with 81 and 55, and I don't know anyone else would, either. The 81 55 17 line was interesting but not sure if really works, either

Gagner fits well when they have possession and are cycling in the O zone. He is smart and can find space and is a good passer. Where he doesn’t fit is he can’t keep up with the other 2.

 

[surixon]

That's fair but who can fill the gaps? Obviously Gagner was important in last night's win but he doesn't really fit in with 81 and 55, and I don't know anyone else would, either. The 81 55 17 line was interesting but not sure if really works, either

I really don't think we have a player that is currently ready for that spot. We likely have to trade for one if Fly is going to miss a significant amount of time.

None of our top forward prospects on the Moose looks close to ready at this point.

 

[LowLefty]

Gagner fits well when they have possession and are cycling in the O zone. He is smart and can find space and is a good passer. Where he doesn’t fit is he can’t keep up with the other 2.

I'm fine with Gagner - he's smart enough to play with those two but you're right - he might struggle a bit with the speed - but so far, he's holding his own.

I have my own thoughts on who might be good on that line - but don't expect much support on the call -
If Ehlers is out for a while, I'd try Mikey up there. He has the speed to keep up, he's a good passer, he's great on puck pursuit and is good at digging pucks out along the walls. He's also looks like he knows how to defend - very good positionally and he doesn't panic with the puck.
Anyways, I don't expect that to happen but I'd love to see it - and yes, I know - it's a crazy idea.

My biggest fear is seeing Wheels moved back up there - the good news is that Bones is not biting because you would think it would be temping for him. Wheels cannot keep up with that line and he might throw a wrench into what appears to be a developing magic between 55 and 81 - we do not want a guy slowing down the play and that's what Wheeler does.

 

[scelaton]

I agree, why not call Lambert up, he has the speed to keep up with anyone, and likely better scoring hands than anyone on our bottom 6 forwards. Put him in the lineup and see how he does. Lot of people say he's to young, or it will destroy his confidence, but I don't buy that. We went thru that with Kyle Connor.

If I recall correctly, Scheifele scored a bunch of points in the pre-season in his D+1 year, then spent two more years with Barrie before being NHL-ready.

Lambert is nowhere near NHL-ready despite his flash in the pre-season.

 

[LowLefty]

I really don't think we have a player that is currently ready for that spot. We likely have to trade for one if Fly is going to miss a significant amount of time.

None of our top forward prospects on the Moose looks close to ready at this point.

It's a part time roll unless we go out and find another player - I won't be surprised if they play with what they have and move guys into the lineup - it'll depend on Ehlers status. If it was later in the season, I could see them pulling the trigger.

 

[KingBogo]

I'm fine with Gagner - he's smart enough to play with those two but you're right - he might struggle a bit with the speed - but so far, he's holding his own.

I have my own thoughts on who might be good on that line - but don't expect much support on the call -
If Ehlers is out for a while, I'd try Mikey up there. He has the speed to keep up, he's a good passer, he's great on puck pursuit and is good at digging pucks out along the walls. He's also looks like he knows how to defend - very good positionally and he doesn't panic with the puck.
Anyways, I don't expect that to happen but I'd love to see it - and yes, I know - it's a crazy idea.

My biggest fear is seeing Wheels moved back up there - the good news is that Bones is not biting because you would think it would be temping for him. Wheels cannot keep up with that line and he might throw a wrench into what appears to be a developing magic between 55 and 81 - we do not want a guy slowing down the play and that's what Wheeler does.

I guess Mikey might be worth a try but I’m sceptical about if he has the offensive awareness to read off the other 2. But agreed there seems to be some magic brewing with Connor and Scheifele.

 

[surixon]

It's a part time roll unless we go out and find another player - I won't be surprised if they play with what they have and move guys into the lineup - it'll depend on Ehlers status. If it was later in the season, I could see them pulling the trigger.

Yes I expect we go with Gagner for now and only make a move if the team starts to dip in the standings. I imagine we should get an answer on Ehlers soon and that will then allow the org to have a better idea what they may need and for how long.

 

[abax44]

Capo didn't do enough to earn another look.

Has Samberg?

 

[LowLefty]

I guess Mikey might be worth a try but I’m sceptical about if he has the offensive awareness to read off the other 2. But agreed there seems to be some magic brewing with Connor and Scheifele.

It's a long shot - and I'm biased in my view of the player.
He's been successful with the Moose TY and most of it is coming from helpers - that line could use that along with the other things he brings.
But he doesn't have the pedigree and I'm likely on my own with this assessment -
But I'd still like to see it happen.

 

[KingBogo]

So is there a middle 6 guy out there that wouldn’t cost much? Maybe we can use our cap space and not lose too much talent wise?

 

[Guardian17]

 

[KB1971]

What was 44 doing to deep into the O zone on the Ducks 2nd goal?

 

[Duke749]

That wasn't the play I was referencing. There were a number of miscues in his end and leaving the defensive zone.

He’s fighting consistency hard right now. Likes how hard he seemed to work last night at times though. Especially when he knew he made a mistake. Kid is learning. Also has some good wheels, especially for 6’4.

 

[Snowboy]

nice to see the jets finally score some last minute goals this year.... last year it was the jets getting scored on late...now its the jets coming up with the clutch plays. 10-4-1 ... excellent start to the season

Indicative of a team turning the corner!

 

[KingBogo]

He’s fighting consistency hard right now. Likes how hard he seemed to work last night at times though. Especially when he knew he made a mistake. Kid is learning. Also has some good wheels, especially for 6’4.

Samberg is a player you’d like to see get a full season in at the NHL level. Over time I think he works through some of the inconsistencies and becomes a real good second pairing guy.

 

[Duke749]

What was 44 doing to deep into the O zone on the Ducks 2nd goal?

If it’s the play I’m thinking about….
He wasn’t in the Ozone. The team seemed to be lined up as a 1–3-1 and Morrissey realized a split second too late even though he was still able to pressure the puck carrier. Pionk got himself caught in no man’s land and both couldn’t defend the pass or the skater.

 

[surixon]

Samberg is a player you’d like to see get a full season in at the NHL level. Over time I think he works through some of the inconsistencies and becomes a real good second pairing guy.

He's just gotta stay healthy. It's been an issue for him the last number of years.

 

[LowLefty]

Samberg is a player you’d like to see get a full season in at the NHL level. Over time I think he works through some of the inconsistencies and becomes a real good second pairing guy.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out once Stan is healthy -
I agree that they should roll with one of them (unless the wheels fall off completely) -
but I don't get that vibe from the org - it might be more about matchups and who is playing better at any given time. There's pro's and con's to that method but it might be how this org runs the young(er) guys until one runs away with it - neither has done that to this point - but then again, neither has had a good stretch (TY) -
Chicken and egg.