Kevyn Adams GM thread



The lack of accountability is absolutely stunning.

If we win tomorrow, we're going to be 11 or 12 points out of the playoffs, looks like the cutoff is 90 or 91 points.

The Sabres gathered 3 points during that 13 game losing streak.

If they went .500, that is 13 points, or 10 points more.

So by Kevyn's absurd math, we would still miss the playoffs, just by less.

"Well, its on me BUT ACTUALLY we're just super duper unlucky"
 
Can I just say....you cannot bring back Adams.

In the best case scenario with Adams, we are first round fodder. Even if we somehow have everything break our way, everything goes perfect....does anyone actually think we would do well over a physical 7 game series versus a quality opponent? What has this team shown in the last 2 years that they won't fold like a cheap lawn chair at any sort of consistent physical pressure?

There needs to be an adult in a room who actually knows what it takes to build a winning team in the modern NHL. Not a guy whose claim to fame was 4th line center role on one of the most fluky cup runs in NHL history. Adams has had ample chances to show he can build a team and he's failed.

After 5 years, are we in a better spot to contend than we were five years ago?

No.

What has 5 years of no playoffs got us? A marginally better prospect pool?

We are a slightly deeper forward group with less high end talent.

There is no case for keeping Adams. He has done nothing of note and has zero plan to take the team forward. The most likely scenario is this team spends close to the cap next year and finishes in the bottom 10....again.
 
Can I just say....you cannot bring back Adams.

In the best case scenario with Adams, we are first round fodder. Even if we somehow have everything break our way, everything goes perfect....does anyone actually think we would do well over a physical 7 game series versus a quality opponent? What has this team shown in the last 2 years that they won't fold like a cheap lawn chair at any sort of consistent physical pressure?

There needs to be an adult in a room who actually knows what it takes to build a winning team in the modern NHL. Not a guy whose claim to fame was 4th line center role on one of the most fluky cup runs in NHL history. Adams has had ample chances to show he can build a team and he's failed.

After 5 years, are we in a better spot to contend than we were five years ago?

No.

What has 5 years of no playoffs got us? A marginally better prospect pool?

We are a slightly deeper forward group with less high end talent.

There is no case for keeping Adams. He has done nothing of note and has zero plan to take the team forward. The most likely scenario is this team spends close to the cap next year and finishes in the bottom 10....again.
There was no case for hiring him in the first place so they are simply being consistent.
 
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The lack of accountability is absolutely stunning.

If we win tomorrow, we're going to be 11 or 12 points out of the playoffs, looks like the cutoff is 90 or 91 points.

The Sabres gathered 3 points during that 13 game losing streak.

If they went .500, that is 13 points, or 10 points more.

So by Kevyn's absurd math, we would still miss the playoffs, just by less.

"Well, its on me BUT ACTUALLY we're just super duper unlucky"
I find this interview to be somehow even worse than the palm trees presser. We’re in real life Michael Scott territory now.
 
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Can I just say....you cannot bring back Adams.

In the best case scenario with Adams, we are first round fodder. Even if we somehow have everything break our way, everything goes perfect....does anyone actually think we would do well over a physical 7 game series versus a quality opponent? What has this team shown in the last 2 years that they won't fold like a cheap lawn chair at any sort of consistent physical pressure?

There needs to be an adult in a room who actually knows what it takes to build a winning team in the modern NHL. Not a guy whose claim to fame was 4th line center role on one of the most fluky cup runs in NHL history. Adams has had ample chances to show he can build a team and he's failed.

After 5 years, are we in a better spot to contend than we were five years ago?

No.

What has 5 years of no playoffs got us? A marginally better prospect pool?

We are a slightly deeper forward group with less high end talent.

There is no case for keeping Adams. He has done nothing of note and has zero plan to take the team forward. The most likely scenario is this team spends close to the cap next year and finishes in the bottom 10....again.
I’m fine with bringing him back, the train wreck that he creates is more fun to watch than a mediocre team like the Isles who never have an actual chance at anything, and never have anything interesting happen in the slightest.
 
Can I just say....you cannot bring back Adams.

In the best case scenario with Adams, we are first round fodder. Even if we somehow have everything break our way, everything goes perfect....does anyone actually think we would do well over a physical 7 game series versus a quality opponent? What has this team shown in the last 2 years that they won't fold like a cheap lawn chair at any sort of consistent physical pressure?

There needs to be an adult in a room who actually knows what it takes to build a winning team in the modern NHL. Not a guy whose claim to fame was 4th line center role on one of the most fluky cup runs in NHL history. Adams has had ample chances to show he can build a team and he's failed.

After 5 years, are we in a better spot to contend than we were five years ago?

No.

What has 5 years of no playoffs got us? A marginally better prospect pool?

We are a slightly deeper forward group with less high end talent.

There is no case for keeping Adams. He has done nothing of note and has zero plan to take the team forward. The most likely scenario is this team spends close to the cap next year and finishes in the bottom 10....again.
You are absolutely and 100% correct from a fan's POV.

But from Pegula's POV -- Kevyn does as he's told and Terry feels like he has a voice in the room. And from everything we've been led to believe, that's what matters most.
 
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I find this interview to be somehow even worse than the palm trees presser. We’re in real life Michael Scott territory now.

The difference being, of course, Scranton was consistently a high performing branch.

You are absolutely and 100% correct from a fan's POV.

But from Pegula's POV -- Kevyn does as he's told and Terry feels like he has a voice in the room. And from everything we've been led to believe, that's what matters most.

Fans and media: You can't bring Adams back as GM!!!!

Pegula: Watch me!

I mean, bringing Adams back is the Pegulas saying "winning doesn't matter here"
 
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Didn't hiring Adams in the first place say, "Being heard is more important to me than hiring a competent GM that knows how to build a winner"?
That and “The GM we just publicly stated would be back despite fans wanting him gone has refused to gut the hockey department to save me money so I’ll find someone who will”

Never ever forget what the voice he desperately needed to have in the room was saying.

“Cheaper”
 
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Didn't hiring Adams in the first place say, "Being heard is more important to me than hiring a competent GM that knows how to build a winner"?

I honestly felt Adams hiring was more of a panic reaction to realizing the team might have empty arenas the next few 2-3 years. The fact that JB wasn't willing to 'follow orders' led them to bring in a loyalist over any competence.

From someone with no inside information, my best guess is that him staying on has more to do with the Pegulas family issues with Kim and the overwhelming and expensive task of building a new stadium has been.

At some point though, the Pegulas (terry or his kids) need to say "enough of this" and get someone in here who can run the team.
 
2020-2021 - Kevyn's first year in management - 18 game losing streak

2021-2022 - 1 x 7-game losing streak, 2 x 6-game losing streaks (longest winning streak 4-games)

2022-2023 - 1 x 8-game losing streak.

2023-2024 - Longest losing streak 4-game. Longest winning streak 3-games (2 x IIRC)

2024-2025 - 1 x 13-game losing streak, 1 x 6-game losing streak. Longest winning streak 5 games.
 
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Didn't hiring Adams in the first place say, "Being heard is more important to me than hiring a competent GM that knows how to build a winner"?
Maybe not in THOSE words exactly, but there was weight in Adams being hired because Pegula felt he was being heard, but his actions, say EXACTLY this.
 
You can't just bring in toughness. It's a team philosophy. Trading away cozens and Gilbert for that Norris guy makes the team weaker. The sabres have been pushed around for 2 decades now.

He says pk and pp were not good and they need to improve. You would think a normal dimension would see appert let go. I'd be shocked if that happened. Will adams' empty words and hope bring good special teams?
 
The team will be tougher when they believe in the direction of the franchise, when they know everybody is working for the same goal and they put ressources in those goals. But being constantly let sown by managment, ownership and the coach makes you go numb. People always blame the players but never the executive side for the losing culture. It starts at the top, this needs to be fixed.
 
You can't just bring in toughness. It's a team philosophy. Trading away cozens and Gilbert for that Norris guy makes the team weaker. The sabres have been pushed around for 2 decades now.

He says pk and pp were not good and they need to improve. You would think a normal dimension would see appert let go. I'd be shocked if that happened. Will adams' empty words and hope bring good special teams?
Norris has been as close to jumping in to a scrum from the pressbox as Dylan Cozens was all f***ing year.

Enough with this bullshit about Cozens being tough

His literal last image in a Sabres uniform is standing next to Dahlin as three guys jump him and staring at it while wearing a letter.

He’s a coward
 
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The lack of accountability is absolutely stunning.

If we win tomorrow, we're going to be 11 or 12 points out of the playoffs, looks like the cutoff is 90 or 91 points.

The Sabres gathered 3 points during that 13 game losing streak.

If they went .500, that is 13 points, or 10 points more.

So by Kevyn's absurd math, we would still miss the playoffs, just by less.

"Well, its on me BUT ACTUALLY we're just super duper unlucky"
But Adams says he holds himself accountable.

Holding yourself accountable = nothing.
 
I have no issue with recent moves by KA. He knows where the team is deficient and has had time to sort through his asset vault. Trading Mittelstadt, Cozens and Savoie for Byrum, McLeod and Norris/Bernard Docker were very decent moves as was extending Greenway and Zucker. UPL still COULD be a decent NHL net minder and consistent top goalies are as rare as hen's teeth. He identified what he needs and he has to make the deals to satisfy them. I see better structure now than in previous years-and Ruff has instilled this in them- and to a large extent only inexperience (and to some extent lack of size) leading to brain farts has hurt them at key points in their losses.
Adams is at the plate with the bases loaded, bottom of the ninth, 2 outs. He gets a strong 2 way PF with a nasty but controlled mindset and a big, smart defenceman preferably right hand then he has hit at least a triple. It is not our job as fans to tell him what deals to make--he is making millions not us to make those deals. If he cannot even when given the go ahead to over pay to get the player-to the dealing team and or in salary to incoming player-then it is time to find GM who can...This presumes Pegula gives him the licence to do what is required.
 
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I have no issue with recent moves by KA. He knows where the team is deficient and has had time to sort through his asset vault. Trading Mittelstadt, Cozens and Savoie for Byrum, McLeod and Norris/Bernard Docker were very decent moves as was extending Greenway and Zucker. UPL still COULD be a decent NHL net minder and consistent top goalies are as rare as hen's teeth. He identified what he needs and he has to make the deals to satisfy them. I see better structure now than in previous years-and Ruff has instilled this in them- and to a large extent only inexperience (and to some extent lack of size) leading to brain farts has hurt them at key points in their losses.
Adams is at the plate with the bases loaded, bottom of the ninth, 2 outs. He gets a strong 2 way PF with a nasty but controlled mindset and a big, smart defenceman preferably right hand then he has hit at least a triple. It is not our job as fans to tell him what deals to make--he is making millions not us to make those deals. If he cannot even when given the go ahead to over pay to get the player-to the dealing team and or in salary to incoming player-then it is time to find GM who can...This presumes Pegula gives him the licence to do what is required.
For me, it comes down to this; Has Kevyn done anything at this point that has cemented his positioning for his job? Meaning has he done anything for the organization that ONLY he was able to accomplish in building to progress the organization's competitive level. That would be a resounding NO for me.

His time here has been a tenure of below average to average management. He's built a team that is a middle of the road team in league where average gets you into the playoffs. Of the team's that have missed the playoffs since his time started here, he's probably had the highest quality of assets to utilize to shape the team, and had the fortune of draft picks to use to shape the organization and he's gotten nowhere in terms of making the playoffs.

We've had too many "If's" at the end of each of Kevyn's offseasons and we come away at the end of each offseason with "he just did enough" and lo and behold, we miss the playoffs again, because he's not proactive, he's reactive, and then puts himself into a position where he loses leverage so then he's not able to make any moves he feels comfortable with.

I don't mind Greenway OR Zucker, and McLeod. But I don't think those are the level of moves that ONLY Kevyn can make. I feel those are run of the mill moves. As for the Byrum move, it was a move that comes away with the feeling that he couldn't achieve coming to terms with a home-grown talent that would help in the structuring of the forward lineup so he settled on getting something over leaving with nothing, which he then had to "double dip" in his assets to accomplish in filling, getting Norris because his organization broke one of their promising young players.

I'm not going applaud Kevyn for cleaning up his own mess, with mistakes/lack of foresight to accomplish building a competitive team. We're in year 5 of Kevyn, and we're still waiting on Dahlin's long term partner. We are to expect him to fill Power's long term partner? Kevyn just hasn't been a GM that has come to the point where we should be afraid of losing him. He's not a good GM, he's not a guy that is unique in finding talent. The amount of missteps Kevyn has shown during his time here, in just the fundamental aspects of building a team alone, and what sort of glue a team needs to build a winning CULTURE, he should be out of the job.

Hire someone with experience in building a team, Kevyn isn't taking you farther than this and THIS, is not good enough. Stop giving him the benefit of the doubt. He's not good enough of a GM to see another season, full stop. He's had times of no pressure, and time of pressure, and neither were prosperous times for the team.
 
If farmer Butt Ox failed to bring a successful crop in after five full years at it I don't know if he'd have much family left. Those that didn't starve to death were likely smart enough to put their belongings in a bindle sack and hit the road.
 
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I have no issue with recent moves by KA. He knows where the team is deficient and has had time to sort through his asset vault. Trading Mittelstadt, Cozens and Savoie for Byrum, McLeod and Norris/Bernard Docker were very decent moves as was extending Greenway and Zucker. UPL still COULD be a decent NHL net minder and consistent top goalies are as rare as hen's teeth. He identified what he needs and he has to make the deals to satisfy them.

In a vacuum, I think if you look at the individual moves, they are fine. The Zucker signing specifically was one that I called out as trash in the summer and was wrong about. The McLeod trade worked out well.

On paper, this team has talent. It could be a playoff team if things broke right for them.

But...the issues here go back further than that. There is a deep cultural rot here that goes back to the post Eichel cap floor teams and the 'don't worry about losing' mentality that was instilled into the young players then.

This team just folds under any modicum of pressure. The team doesn't know how to handle adversity. Ruff himself was confounded by it. There is a lack of standards that come from the top of the organization. The sum of this team is lessor than its individual parts. There are foundational problems with how this team was assembled and developed.

I see better structure now than in previous years-and Ruff has instilled this in them- and to a large extent only inexperience (and to some extent lack of size) leading to brain farts has hurt them at key points in their losses.

There is just a lot of quit in this team. Ever since Greaves stood on his head in Columbus last week to stop their win streak, the bags have been fully packed.


Adams is at the plate with the bases loaded, bottom of the ninth, 2 outs. He gets a strong 2 way PF with a nasty but controlled mindset and a big, smart defenceman preferably right hand then he has hit at least a triple. It is not our job as fans to tell him what deals to make--he is making millions not us to make those deals. If he cannot even when given the go ahead to over pay to get the player-to the dealing team and or in salary to incoming player-then it is time to find GM who can...This presumes Pegula gives him the licence to do what is required.

That was last summer. Even he said so. His 'no stone unturned' turned into 8M of cap space unused and a bottom 10 finish.

The sins of team cheapness and bad management have come home to roost. The best fix would be a new owner and new management. In lieu of that...new experienced management would be fine.
 
I fully understand the general malaise, no-dislike and mistrust-with Adam's abilities. I wish he had made a deal for Chris Tanev for example. But it does take 2 to tango as players have choices too. Regrettably the Sabres with their losing ways have not made Buffalo a place where one goes if one wants their name on a Cup-any cup! Over the years I have despaired at the drafting of undersized albeit skilled players-only Benson so far has shown the fire in the belly that an undersized player has to have. My point is that we now have coach who wants accountability, who has worked with what he has to effect a decent on ice structure and should-as Berube did-insist on getting the type of player he needs cost be damned. This is KA's last hurrah. Pegula has to decide if KA has it in him to get what Ruff should be demanding and act accordingly.
I would put all our draft choices this year and next on the table. Byrum, Quinn, Krebs while useful are replaceable. I also ask if we need both Ostlund AND Helenius, Kozak AND Rosen. Sabres must keep Dahlin, Thompson, Tuch and I would be loathe to deal any of Peterka, Kulich, UPL. Zucker and Greenway are not likely replaceable at a cost benefit rate. Similarly Power and Norris--high hopes they both pan out for us and probably not likely to get the return to make it worthwhile to trade. That is just the start....
 
I fully understand the general malaise, no-dislike and mistrust-with Adam's abilities. I wish he had made a deal for Chris Tanev for example. But it does take 2 to tango as players have choices too. Regrettably the Sabres with their losing ways have not made Buffalo a place where one goes if one wants their name on a Cup-any cup! Over the years I have despaired at the drafting of undersized albeit skilled players-only Benson so far has shown the fire in the belly that an undersized player has to have. My point is that we now have coach who wants accountability, who has worked with what he has to effect a decent on ice structure and should-as Berube did-insist on getting the type of player he needs cost be damned. This is KA's last hurrah. Pegula has to decide if KA has it in him to get what Ruff should be demanding and act accordingly.
I would put all our draft choices this year and next on the table. Byrum, Quinn, Krebs while useful are replaceable. I also ask if we need both Ostlund AND Helenius, Kozak AND Rosen. Sabres must keep Dahlin, Thompson, Tuch and I would be loathe to deal any of Peterka, Kulich, UPL. Zucker and Greenway are not likely replaceable at a cost benefit rate. Similarly Power and Norris--high hopes they both pan out for us and probably not likely to get the return to make it worthwhile to trade. That is just the start....
It’s been five years.

There is no more “takes two to tango” excuse. We’ve seen players that would have helped with no trade protection moves. f*** we’ve seen D that would have helped on f***ing waivers.

When people say it takes two to tango…after five years spent saying they need to add toughness or a partner for Power or veteran players…and not doing it…it’s beyond time to recognize that the one who doesn’t know how to tango is the unqualified puppet no other organization would have hired.
 

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