Kevyn Adams GM thread

[rams]

Thats just not true at all. Reinhart wanted to stay at one point but Buffalo refused to offer him a long term contract.

Buffalo absolutely refused to give him a contract. Adams pushed him out of Buffalo.


"I think I've done a lot I want to be recognized for and be here long-term for sure, there's no question about it," Reinhart said. "Do I think I've proven everything? No absolutely not. I don't think anyone can say that with the lack of success we've had as a team."

"Do I think I've proven everything? No absolutely not", Reinhart ready to get back to work after re-signing with Sabres

Reinhart is coming off a 22 goal and 28 assist performance in 2019-20 before the season was cut short due to the COVID-19 pandemic

www.wkbw.com

Yep, and from that article... "The level of honesty and the communication he (RALPH KRUEGER) has, it's something any player wants to play under," Reinhart said. "I think it's a big reason as to why you're seeing players want to come here right now. It's awesome to play under him."

So, obviously he was a big, big Krueger fan. Loved Krueger. Firing the worst coach in team history, combined with the Eichel storm, knowing Jack was leaving, pushed Reinhart out imo. The 1-yr contract he signed with Adams, a couple months after Kevyn had started, was also obviously a major contributing factor. But did brand new Adams really have a choice in that contract? Or was that a calculated risk decision that massively backfired? I don't know.

Either way, by the summer of '21 the marriage was over.
#assetmanagement

 

[joshjull]

Thats just not true at all. Reinhart wanted to stay at one point but Buffalo refused to offer him a long term contract.

Buffalo absolutely refused to give him a contract. Adams pushed him out of Buffalo.


"I think I've done a lot I want to be recognized for and be here long-term for sure, there's no question about it," Reinhart said. "Do I think I've proven everything? No absolutely not. I don't think anyone can say that with the lack of success we've had as a team."

"Do I think I've proven everything? No absolutely not", Reinhart ready to get back to work after re-signing with Sabres

Reinhart is coming off a 22 goal and 28 assist performance in 2019-20 before the season was cut short due to the COVID-19 pandemic

www.wkbw.com

You missed the opening line which puts the rest into context.

“Sam Reinhart doesn't look at this season as a make-or-break year for him.”

He was also absolutely giddy at the thought of player for Krueger.

"The level of honesty and the communication he has, it's something any player wants to play under," Reinhart said. "I think it's a big reason as to why you're seeing players want to come here right now. It's awesome to play under him."


Thats not a player looking to leave. It’s someone excited for the upcoming season now that his contract status is settled.

Both sets of comments are painfully ironic in light of how things played out.


If you want to blame Adams for him leaving fine. But at least tether it to reality. Sam didn’t want to stick around once Adams decided to rebuild. Which was perfectly understandable. The parting was also on very amicable terms between Adams and Sam. He hardly ran him out in some bitter battle/dispute.

As other have mentioned, the time to have committed to him was when Botts gave him the 2yr bridge deal. I‘m not surprised we dind t see anything other than 1 or 2yr deals during Adams initial offseason. The league was heading into huge losses and a flat cap due to the pandemic.

 

[toddkaz]

Yep, and from that article... "The level of honesty and the communication he (RALPH KRUEGER) has, it's something any player wants to play under," Reinhart said. "I think it's a big reason as to why you're seeing players want to come here right now. It's awesome to play under him."

So, obviously he was a big, big Krueger fan. Loved Krueger. Firing the worst coach in team history, combined with the Eichel storm, knowing Jack was leaving, pushed Reinhart out imo. The 1-yr contract he signed with Adams, a couple months after Kevyn had started, was also obviously a major contributing factor. But did brand new Adams really have a choice in that contract? Or was that a calculated risk decision that massively backfired? I don't know.

Either way, by the summer of '21 the marriage was over.
#assetmanagement

Didn't all the players say Kreuger was a great guy(except Skinner) and Edmonton players said the same thing about Kreuger. Great guy but shitty coach.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Didn't all the players say Kreuger was a great guy(except Skinner) and Edmonton players said the same thing about Kreuger. Great guy but shitty coach.

We need a shitty guy but a great coach.

 

[valet]

You missed the opening line which puts the rest into context.

“Sam Reinhart doesn't look at this season as a make-or-break year for him.”

He was also absolutely giddy at the thought of player for Krueger.

"The level of honesty and the communication he has, it's something any player wants to play under," Reinhart said. "I think it's a big reason as to why you're seeing players want to come here right now. It's awesome to play under him."


Thats not a player looking to leave. It’s someone excited for the upcoming season now that his contract status is settled.

Both sets of comments are painfully ironic in light of how things played out.


If you want to blame Adams for him leaving fine. But at least tether it to reality. Sam didn’t want to stick around once Adams decided to rebuild. Which was perfectly understandable. The parting was also on very amicable terms between Adams and Sam. He hardly ran him out in some bitter battle/dispute.

As other have mentioned, the time to have committed to him was when Botts gave him the 2yr bridge deal. I‘m not surprised we dind t see anything other than 1 or 2yr deals during Adams initial offseason heading into huge losses league-wide.

good analysis. i never got the sense that there was any animosity between sam and the sabres. just seemed like unfortunate timing with the bridge deal / rebuild.

 

[Ace]

Adams oversaw the last four of these.

Does not deserve a fifth when the best excuse you can make is that he hasnt bothered to try yet. That‘s reason enough

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Adams oversaw the last four of these.

Does not deserve a fifth when the best excuse you can make is that he hasnt bothered to try yet. That‘s reason enough

All comes down to what Pegula expects

 

[Ace]

If this incompetent do nothing yes man sits on this coaching staff all year the word he is not allowed to say is “unacceptable”. He can’t say it. He’s not allowed to frame the results as unacceptable. His (in)actions speak louder than an empty word. This is all perfectly acceptable to Kevyn Adams.

Everything is.

Quinn being injured was perfectly acceptable. Didn’t bring anyone in.

Power not having the f***ing top 4 partner is perfectly acceptable. Punted on it again.

Levi being over his head is perfectly acceptable. promises were made.

The Power Play is perfectly acceptable. Ellis remains.

The results are perfectly acceptable. Granato and the roster are untouched.

because he doesn’t do a god damned thing about any of it. Everyone wants to pick who they want to blame. Try the one guy whose standard is so low everyone is meeting it to his satisfaction.

 

[zenthusiast]

They’re absolutely going to say that without injury the team would have been competing for the playoffs

 

[SharkInABoloTie]

 

[Ace]

They’re absolutely going to say that without injury the team would have been competing for the playoffs

As I’ve said from the start…not good enough.

Adams knew Quinn was out of his top six before UFA started and he CHOSE to do nothing. You can’t tell me injuries are the problem when you outright refused to address the problem with every opportunity to do so however you wanted to.

Nope.

injuries were perfectly acceptable to him.

 

[jd1970]

Buffalo is never going to be a top target for UFAs. But they are a bottom of the barrel target because its a high tax poor weather market AND the team hasn't made the playoffs in 13 years.

The same reason why Canada hasn't won a Stanley Cup in 30 years.
Ontarians don't mind coming to Buffalo though.

 

[Tijuana Donkey Show]

Small anecdote, but at a function to specifically make Regier and Ruff available to fans that showed up, Regier was as aloof as when I met Thurman Thomas on the old "Jim Kelly" show. He hardly responded to me and his body language said it all. I figured then that if a guy can't even fake it for an hour or so during a function for that very purpose, he must be a real swell guy to be around under normal circumstances.

Edit - fwiw, I didn't even try to talk to Thurman Thomas, but I watched my HS teammates try with big eyes and walk off very disappointed. It made being a Redskins fan during SB 26 a few months later even more satisfying.

Really? Circa 2008 I was at the old Colter Bay watching the Giants/ Pats game with a large group. We yelled a couple off color jokes at the TV screen and for to chatting with him and his wife. They were super nice. By the end of the night they pulled their table next to ours and we spent the rest of the evening getting drunk and laughing. It was awesome.

Jim Kelly on the other hand is a real POS.

 

[Gras]

Really? Circa 2008 I was at the old Colter Bay watching the Giants/ Pats game with a large group. We yelled a couple off color jokes at the TV screen and for to chatting with him and his wife. They were super nice. By the end of the night they pulled their table next to ours and we spent the rest of the evening getting drunk and laughing. It was awesome.

Jim Kelly on the other hand is a real POS.

Jill Kelly was nice enough to give my aunt a call to give their condolences when my grandmother passed in 2014.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Really? Circa 2008 I was at the old Colter Bay watching the Giants/ Pats game with a large group. We yelled a couple off color jokes at the TV screen and for to chatting with him and his wife. They were super nice. By the end of the night they pulled their table next to ours and we spent the rest of the evening getting drunk and laughing. It was awesome.

Jim Kelly on the other hand is a real POS.

Who are you referring to in the 1st part?

Kelly really talked it up with our team. Again, I just stood in the background so my Bills fan teammates could talk to him, and he really knew about our team and our schedule coming up like he cared (just did his homework but it comes off the same). Mind you, I had been a Gibbs era Redskins fan for the previous ten years and my own LL football coaches reinforced the same messages - teamwork, no showboating, no "I" in team, win and lose together, etc...so the Bills then seemed like the antithesis to what I valued about football and sports.

I relished in how my Redskins won and acted on/off the field, and how they beat the tar out of Buffalo that SB. Kelly surprised me that day, and Thomas actually did too but in the wrong way. People have their moments good and bad so you can only make so much of an assumption, but in events that are put together for the purpose of interacting with fans, these guys should be able to fake it if don't genuinely care to be there, and it's a bad sign if they can't.

 

[debaser66]

How the Mittelstadt saga turns out is probably the nail in his coffin for me personally given the rumors that he didnt even offer him a contract

 

[HOOats]

How the Mittelstadt saga turns out is probably the nail in his coffin for me personally given the rumors that he didnt even offer him a contract

*hasn't offered him a contract yet.

Given all the skepticism around the long-term deals given out to RFAs that 95% of the board agreed with when signed, I don't think it's a bad thing that Adams is being measured and isn't barging into another one yet. That said, I think Mitts should be top of the list for those deserving to stay here and be core.

 

[Chainshot]

Not for nothing, but they don't have a center able to even fill in 10 minutes a night at the NHL level right now, let alone take over Mitts duties in the top of the lineup. And while Cozens is having some definite growing pains and Thompson seems to be burdened by the expectations (and Matt Ellis' castrated PP scheme), they don't have anyone close or ready or trusted to take on that role.

So I would suspect they do get something done with Mittelstadt. And it may take some evaluation to look at if they are going to keep Thompson or Cozens at center going forward and who they might want or get to take on playing center at some level behind whoever their 1C and 2C are.

 

[Ace]

Look on my lack of Works, ye Mighty, and despair!

 

[Snippit]

Can’t wait for his next media appearance and hear whatever nonsense he has to say about his faith that things will get better

 

[Ace]

Can’t wait for his next media appearance and hear whatever nonsense he has to say about his faith that things will get better

I want to hear him dare to say this is unacceptable. His actions say the opposite. Say it, you unqualified joke.

 

[Chainshot]

Can’t wait for his next media appearance and hear whatever nonsense he has to say about his faith that things will get better

I'm so tired of that too. Or that he tried. "Oh, I called on this player and they wanted stuff" or "oh, I called on that player and the other team was mean about my prospects". Either get it done or don't say a f***ing word.

 

[Ace]

I'm so tired of that too. Or that he tried. "Oh, I called on this player and they wanted stuff" or "oh, I called on that player and the other team was mean about my prospects". Either get it done or don't say a f***ing word.

Whenever they say “tried” or “wanted too much” all i hear is “failed” and “unqualified”

 

[Chainshot]

Whenever they say “tried” or “wanted too much” all i hear is “failed” and “unqualified”

It reminds me of when my kids don't do something but explain all the things they did instead of the thing that I was asking them to do. Is it done? Yes? Great. Is it not done? No? Get to it. I don't need to know you tried. And for Adams, it's like he's trying to insulate himself from the criticism of not getting anything done.

 

[Ace]

It reminds me of when my kids don't do something but explain all the things they did instead of the thing that I was asking them to do. Is it done? Yes? Great. Is it not done? No? Get to it. I don't need to know you tried. And for Adams, it's like he's trying to insulate himself from the criticism of not getting anything done.

The longer they don’t fire Ellis the more convinced I get theyre actually going to try to make him the one off-season change. If he fires Granato a clock starts ticking. He’ll be on his second coach hire and third coach overall…heading into year five with no results. It’s why he isn’t gone.