Could he be a trading asset towards a 1st line centre?, do you guys want to keep him in St.louis? Let the talk begin
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Not this season. Unless Cole shows he can take over that role we'll have to wait for Vanelli/Schmaltz to come in or for another PMD to be brought in.
LongLiveTheNote
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I'm afraid this is true, but I wouldn't be against a Shatty-Berglund combo for a nice center upgrade. Shatty is our best expendable trade chip. He would bring back a nice return.
BuLLeT1291
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I am all for trading him to bring in a #1 center. His play in the playoffs was mediocre at best if that. Wasn't a fan at all. Package him and Bergy (which I wasn't a fan of at all either) and bring in a number 1 center and tell me where I sign.
David Dennison
I'm a tariff, man.
Why all the Shatty hate in the playoffs? He did get burned a couple of times, but he was the only defenseman who was getting things going in the offensive zone.
David Dennison
I'm a tariff, man.
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He did get burned a few times, but he also had 5 points in 6 games.
I have a really hard time moving Shattenkirk at this point. We don't have a replacement ready to go and its asinine to trade Shatty for a center and then turn around and bring in another top 4 D man to replace him.
Personally, I keep him.
Move Berglund and Leopold for some 2nd round picks and use those as trade chips on a center if we strike out in free agency.
I have a really hard time moving Shattenkirk at this point. We don't have a replacement ready to go and its asinine to trade Shatty for a center and then turn around and bring in another top 4 D man to replace him.
Personally, I keep him.
Move Berglund and Leopold for some 2nd round picks and use those as trade chips on a center if we strike out in free agency.
I agree with you, but I read a post on this board that said Leopold has a no trade/ NM clause in his contract. I don't know if this is true, but if it is, it sucks! Another genius Armstrong move.
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I agree with you, but I read a post on this board that said Leopold has a no trade/ NM clause in his contract. I don't know if this is true, but if it is, it sucks! Another genius Armstrong move.
According to capgeek, Leopold has a modified NTC.
Yeah I really don't understand how he became a scapegoat. Led our team in scoring which is really what he's here for - to produce offense from the blueline. He's average defensively but so what, I can live with that. I didn't think he was bad at all.
BlueOil
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I somewhat see the logic behind trading Shattenkirk to upgrade to a #1C; however, until AP figures out how to be effective in the playoffs or consistent in the regular season, I don't think it's a good idea.
Shattenkirk is mediocre defensively, but he was good in the playoffs overall.
The offensive skills he brings make us a big threat, Armstrong would be wise to keep him.
Shattenkirk is mediocre defensively, but he was good in the playoffs overall.
The offensive skills he brings make us a big threat, Armstrong would be wise to keep him.
I understand the fact that we need a true #1 C.
What I don't get, is that while Tyler Johnson is a good player, we are putting Shattenkirk in proposals for a guy like him when he only scored a whopping 5 more points than Shattenkirk as a forward. I don't see the logic there.
If Shattenkirk does go, let's hope we find a replacement or else I'm gonna die of laughter watching our defense try to move the puck when Pietrangelo isn't on the ice.
What I don't get, is that while Tyler Johnson is a good player, we are putting Shattenkirk in proposals for a guy like him when he only scored a whopping 5 more points than Shattenkirk as a forward. I don't see the logic there.
If Shattenkirk does go, let's hope we find a replacement or else I'm gonna die of laughter watching our defense try to move the puck when Pietrangelo isn't on the ice.
This ^^
His gap control was very poor for both the Toews goal in game 3 and the Kane OT winner in game 4 but overall I thought he played pretty well in the series.
LongLiveTheNote
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I think the only way we should trade Shatty is to get a "big name" established #1C. Kesler, Spezza, etc.
Vladys Gumption
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That would be incredibly short sighted. Kesler and Spezza both only have on year remaining on their deals and are injury prone. If we move Shattenkirk it should be for a young center who is established as a top six scoring option, with room to grow. A guy like Stepan.
LongLiveTheNote
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I wasn't saying for them per se, just established guys in the league who have been mentioned on this board as potential targets before instead of a guy like Tyler Johnson mentioned earlier in the thread.
I don't think we get a big name in a trade if it doesn't involve Shatty IMO, we just don't have many assets that are going to get us a return that we are looking for. Stephan would be a good choice.
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Shattenkirk got exposed a couple of times by a couple top-10 players in the league. That happens to any 2nd pairing defenseman playing an offensive 20+ minutes per night against Chicago. It's just made worse because of when those mistakes happened. For the most part though he played very well despite constantly having to press against an elite transition offense with Jackman as his partner. Still did a good job keeping track of Sharp and Hossa. Even though he couldn't knock Hossa off the puck to save his life he wouldn't really let him get anywhere with it either.
I don't really remember any points where he got caught pressing at a bad moment or guys were consistently getting behind him or beating him. Just backed into his net a few times on odd man rushes. He knows what he did wrong.
He's only 25 and is signed to a pretty good contract. I think he's a huge piece of this team both offensively and defensively. When I think about the Blues competitive advantage I first think of our top-3 defensemen, even before Schwartz/Tarasenko. It would require a very big return to make losing him worthwhile.
I don't really remember any points where he got caught pressing at a bad moment or guys were consistently getting behind him or beating him. Just backed into his net a few times on odd man rushes. He knows what he did wrong.
He's only 25 and is signed to a pretty good contract. I think he's a huge piece of this team both offensively and defensively. When I think about the Blues competitive advantage I first think of our top-3 defensemen, even before Schwartz/Tarasenko. It would require a very big return to make losing him worthwhile.
BluesTraveller
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Shattenkirk is important to our PP. I don't see how trading him brings in a Center that fits our needs without that Center being old and injury prone.
Vladys Gumption
Colt55
Shattenkirk would have more value than some around here think. Now, I'm not saying the Rangers would trade Stepan for him, but the value is there. The Rangers just don't have the center depth to be able to afford to move him. Giving up Shattenkirk for injury prone players like Spezza or Kesler would be a pretty big mistake in my eyes.
LongLiveTheNote
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I guess my thing is this, you have to give up something to get something. With Petro and J-Bo locked up, Shatty will be relegated to 2nd D pairing and while he is a stud on the PP, he is our most expendable trading chip that has significant value. I love his offensive skills as a D man, and we sure need more scoring punch, but I just don't see a package that we can put together that doesn't just clean house on picks without him involved if you see what I'm trying to say there.
Berglund/Rattie/+ doesn't get it done Berglund/Jaskin/+ doesn't either IMO.
Berglund/Rattie/+ doesn't get it done Berglund/Jaskin/+ doesn't either IMO.
Vladys Gumption
Colt55
Those two packages are pretty much what the reported asking price for Spezza was. We could get him without giving up Shattenkirk. I'm not burning my best trade chip on a 30+ center who has defensive issues and is injury prone. Not to mention his contract status.
Yeah I agree with having to give up a big piece to get one. I'm not even that sure Jaskin has a ton of trade value right now. It's not a great time to trade him. As much as I hate to say it, it would probably be selling pretty low to move Berglund right now too. I'd be perfectly fine with putting Rattie on the table if it meant going for a hyped center prospect.
I'd just prefer to do it while moving wingers instead of one of our top-3 D. Oshie would put a lot of value towards getting a center, though I know trading him would feel like a dagger to the heart for a lot of fans. He's just not doing it in the playoffs and may be falling off our top line anyway. I'd rather trade him than Shattenkirk. Shattenkirk means a lot to our offense.
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